Looking at the new webstats (still at http://www.python.org/~thomas/wwwstats.new/ -- Thomas, when are you going to move these to a better place?) I noticed that /channews.rdf is the most requested file after / -- but the channews.rdf file hasn't been updated in ages! This page is used to be used by the "my netscape" python channel, but I can't find that any more ("my netscape" no longer seems to support personalized channels?). I wonder what other services reference it automatically? --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 04:50:07PM -0400, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Looking at the new webstats (still at http://www.python.org/~thomas/wwwstats.new/ -- Thomas, when are you going to move these to a better place?)
When I figure out what the PSF wants ;) I guess I'll go with Barry's idea, because that one at least got two votes (mine and his) and the others just one. So if anyone disagrees with that, speak up. I did update the stats, btw, both www and ftp, and removed the old pages; you can now access both using just ~thomas/{www,ftp}stats. Moving them to the proper spot and removing some of the info should be peanuts. -- Thomas Wouters <thomas@xs4all.net> Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!
When I figure out what the PSF wants ;) I guess I'll go with Barry's idea, because that one at least got two votes (mine and his) and the others just one. So if anyone disagrees with that, speak up.
Sounds good. I think you got all the help from the PSF membership that you can expect. :-(
I did update the stats, btw, both www and ftp, and removed the old pages; you can now access both using just ~thomas/{www,ftp}stats. Moving them to the proper spot and removing some of the info should be peanuts.
Cool. Can you tell me which sites frequently request /channews.rdf? --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 07:32:00PM -0400, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Can you tell me which sites frequently request /channews.rdf?
The requester list is quite long: 2829 distinct ip-addresses since the start of August, with an average of almost 100 requests each. Here is a top 5: 25180 24.24.52.209 11087 204.192.44.242 5439 212.125.76.33 5341 64.89.70.32 5152 194.236.124.44 ... and then it slowly dwindles down to 1. My guess is that whatever this channel thing is (I honestly don't know), you don't need to be listed on a site somewhere for people to still access the channel, probably every time they start their browser. I think the number of people is actually quite a bit less than that 2800, due to dynamic ipaddresses; just over 850 distinct ip-addresses requested it ten times or more in those two months. Referrer data confirms that we aren't actually listed in many places anymore. Here's the entire list: 222150 - 11676 http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/myUserLandOnTheDesktop 551 http://frontier.userland.com/xmlAggregator 3 http://www.xmltree.com/dir/viewResource.html?urlID=25170 1 http://www.python.org/~thomas/wwwstats.new/usage_200109.html#TOPURLS 1 http://www.python.org/~thomas/wwwstats.new/usage_200108.html 1 http://www.ourfavoritesongs.com/ 1 http://www.google.com/search?q=python%20and%20RSS&sourceid=opera&num=0 1 http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=python%20rss 1 http://www.director-online.com/newshound.cfm 1 http://www.bilug.linux.it/htmlheadline/newsinf.htm 1 http://lists.eazel.com/pipermail/nautilus-list/2001-May/002845.html 1 http://lists.eazel.com/pipermail/nautilus-list/2001-May/002843.html 1 http://home.talkcity.com/PicassoPl/dinoch/news.htm The topmost one is 'no referrer' and are probably all bookmarks and 'channels' and stuff. -- Thomas Wouters <thomas@xs4all.net> Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!
Thomas> 222150 - Thomas> 11676 http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/myUserLandOnTheDesktop Thomas> 551 http://frontier.userland.com/xmlAggregator Thomas> 3 http://www.xmltree.com/dir/viewResource.html?urlID=25170 Thomas> 1 http://www.python.org/~thomas/wwwstats.new/usage_200109.html#TOPURLS Thomas> The topmost one is 'no referrer' and are probably all bookmarks Thomas> and 'channels' and stuff. My guess is that almost nobody has channews.rdf bookmarked since it's not intended for human consumption. The large no-referrer count indicates there are indeed lots of servers grabbing the rdf file and using it to update news items on their own websites. My guess is that many of these "channel servers" probably detect that channews.rdf has not been updated recently, so they will back off on their check frequency until they notice it changing again. Skip
skip wrote:
My guess is that many of these "channel servers" probably detect that channews.rdf has not been updated recently, so they will back off on their check frequency until they notice it changing again.
Optimist. In my experience, the only thing dumber than the typical RDF robot is the person who wrote it. I've seen robots trying to download a non-existent PDF file once an hour, years after it disappeared from our site. </F>
"FL" == Fredrik Lundh <fredrik@pythonware.com> writes:
FL> In my experience, the only thing dumber than the typical RDF FL> robot is the person who wrote it. I've seen robots trying to FL> download a non-existent PDF file once an hour, years after it FL> disappeared from our site. And I was just going to suggest we just wax the file and see who complains... ;/ -Barry
And I was just going to suggest we just wax the file and see who complains... ;/
Actually, during the brief period that python.org was down and out, I got an email from Netscape once a day complaining about the missing channews.rdf... --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 12:44:58PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
"FL" == Fredrik Lundh <fredrik@pythonware.com> writes:
FL> In my experience, the only thing dumber than the typical RDF FL> robot is the person who wrote it. I've seen robots trying to FL> download a non-existent PDF file once an hour, years after it FL> disappeared from our site.
And I was just going to suggest we just wax the file and see who complains... ;/
Getting people to complain is easy. Just replace the .rdf file with hot topics from the monthly newsletter of the Bible Reader Group of Butler, KY. Of course, we could just add a flashy news item saying the channel is heavily out of date :-) -- Thomas Wouters <thomas@xs4all.net> Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!
I propose that we put something useful in it, like the links we have in the blue box at the top of python.org. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Guido van Rossum wrote:
When I figure out what the PSF wants ;) I guess I'll go with Barry's idea, because that one at least got two votes (mine and his) and the others just one. So if anyone disagrees with that, speak up.
Sounds good. I think you got all the help from the PSF membership that you can expect. :-(
I suppose that you can count non-votes as +0 for whichever solution you choose :-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Consulting & Company: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.lemburg.com/python/
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