Mailman 3 January 2008 - stdlib-sig

http package proposal
by Brett Cannon Feb. 4, 2008

Feb. 4, 2008

OK, to keep this ball rolling, here is my suggestion for reorganizing HTTP modules: httplib -> http.tools BaseHTTPServer -> http.server SimpleHTTPServer -> http.server CGIHTTPServer -> http.server cookielib -> http.cookies Since the various HTTP server modules have no name clashes we can consolidate them into a single module. -Brett

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xml-rpc package proposal (was: http package proposal)
by Brett Cannon Jan. 30, 2008

Jan. 30, 2008

On Jan 29, 2008 5:20 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti <alexandre(a)peadrop.com> wrote: > Sounds good. Is there any plan to do a similar packaging with the > xmlrpc-related modules? For example, > > xmlrpclib -> xmlrpc.tools > SimpleXMLRPCServer -> xmlrpc.server > DocXMLRPCServer -> xmlrpc.server I had not gotten that far (just doing them as I find time to bother to think about and send an email), but I like your proposal. What do others think? -Brett

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PEP 3108
by M.-A. Lemburg Jan. 22, 2008

Jan. 22, 2008

Hi all, just skimmed through PEP 3108. A few comments: * The renaming is done inconsistently, e.g. "simple_http_server", "simple_xmlrpc_server", but "socketserver" There should either always be an underscore to separate words, or none. I don't think that underscores in module names are particularly nice, so I'd opt for going with the no-underscores versions. * dbm renaming is going to cause trouble The reason is that there already is a dbm module with a defined interface which the package is likely not going to provide. I also don't think that "dbm" meaning database manager is really what the modules are all about. They usually just implement on-disk dictionaries, nothing more complicated. A DBM usually has a bit more to offer, e.g. think Oracle :-) All in all, I'm not sure whether this is worth the trouble. sqlite is a far better choice than any of the dbm-style modules, IMHO, and it provides an upgrade path to more sophisticated RDBMs. * "All database related modules will be moved to a database package. These modules include: bsddb, dbm, gdbm, sqlite, anydbm, dbhash, dumbdbm, whichdb." Does this refer to the proposed "dbm" package or is there going to be a new "database" package ? Please be careful not to introduce *new* generic and widely used names for stdlib modules or packages or alternatively, go for the stdlib-in-a-package approach to work around any such issues (this is what I did for the mx packages when it became obvious that DateTime was an overly generic package name). * Integrating the C performance boost modules into the Python versions Most of the C extensions do not implement the complete set of APIs that are available in the Python version, or they work differently / do not allow sub-classing. Eg. if you want to write an extended pickle mechanism, you can do so by subclassing from the Python version, but not from the cPickle version. Ideal would be to rewrite the C code to work like the Python code (or vice-versa), but this seems outside the scope of the PEP. Cheers, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jan 22 2008) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ :::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,MacOSX for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611

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Added dbm package to PEP 3108
by Brett Cannon Jan. 21, 2008

Jan. 21, 2008

So the dbm package as discussed on the old list has now been added to PEP 3108. I also updated the spreadsheet. I went with 'dbm.tools' as I liked Steve's arguments for it plus I just plain prefer it. =) I expect we will tackle the http package next when I (or someone else) starts off an email with suggested names (I have some already in the spreadsheet, but I should be doing real work instead of this =). -Brett

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