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[svaksha]

Am reading all the responses, including Anand's apology, so I'll reply
to those later. One at a time.

And since you responded to my email, here goes:

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Nope. I was talking about the initial mail which lacked context.

There you go again. See below.


> I think we are splitting hairs here. I don't know him and I am not taking
> sides and this is not a battle. I support more constructive methods of
> approaching these problems in the community. Thats it. YMMV.

Are we ? Lets see, its ok for you to split hairs and call me a troll
but I cant respond? and when I do you choose to label that as
"splitting hairs"?   I find your responses a lot more patronizing and
I'm happy to explain if you care to listen. The whole "telling women"
what to do, how to handle things (despite her saying she does not like
private conversation on social issues that ought to be public). There
are plenty of sexist incidents in Foss and its not my job to go in
private to educate anyone.


> You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine.

Thanks. However, your repeated emails on this thread came across as
stuffing your opinions down my throat. I dont appreciate that and find
it annoying as I dislike having private conversations on bad
behaviour, unless you are a person I trust and respect - Yes, I've had
many private conversations with hackers I've never met, just
interacted online. This is just not one of those.


> But if people flame
> newbies / women / other under-represented groups unfairly (as you believe
> Anand did in this case), I believe there are better ways to tackle that
> IMHO.

...and thusfar, your suggestion has been along the lines of "go solve
this problem in private". I've been around the FOSS block far too long
to know it does not work. Never has. So, I'm curious to know why you
expect women in Foss to solve social problems in Foss communities in
private?

Unrelated to this thread, do you realise that it can easily become a
"he said-she said" issue which does not help at all. Been there, done
that; and blogged about it too:
http://svaksha.com/category/WOMEN/SexismInSTEM



> I don't know what Anand's intentions were (and hence I reserve my opinion
> as mentioned in earlier mails), but your response (#epicfail) was pretty
> explicit.

Vinayak, there you go, _yet_ again - you choose to reserve your
opinions on his intent, but cannot stop harping or splitting hairs
over my #EpicFail hashtag, or my first mail that "lacked context",
"was pretty explicit" (which contradicts your "lacked context" claim).
 Do you want me to explain more or do you not honestly see the
different (read, unequal) standards here? A pertinent read on tone
policing: http://geekfeminism.org/2013/09/05/tone-policing-a-tool-for-protecting-male-power/

Btw, Vinayak, you are not alone as Sriram also wrote to me offlist -
he has said so on the list too, but forgot to mention the full
contents, and I paraphrase - ... that I'm trying to "publicly shame
Anand Pillai", then questioned me about what I hope to achieve, and
ofcourse the same old "you should talk to him in private". Having
heard all this in this thread, I didnt bother to reply.


> It would only be fair to hear out Anand as we have heard your
> response and not his.

Anand's email came as I was writing this response, so I'll reply separately.

svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष