[Chicago] Regarding Text Editors

Mon Oct 31 23:08:24 EDT 2016

I hope that's sarcasm...

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> On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Anish Krishnan <anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think I've read a more offensive email in my life, and I was involved in politics for 3 years.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2016 8:25 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from github and stack overflow.
>> 
>> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need for an education system even.
>> 
>> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and foremost a Sublime guy.
>>> 
>>> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits with
>>>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
>>>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some pretty
>>>> > sweet stuff.
>>>> >
>>>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>>>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any features
>>>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use it,
>>>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing you can
>>>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>>>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't see
>>>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
>>>> > battle.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>>>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>>>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!  It's
>>>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>>>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard for
>>>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra layer
>>>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand, eg
>>>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can they
>>>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like learning
>>>> >> the basics is important.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're judged by
>>>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.  Once
>>>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or whatever
>>>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on your
>>>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Japhy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>>>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools - Emacs,
>>>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it doesn't
>>>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing code -
>>>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so if you
>>>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're pair
>>>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an editor
>>>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>>>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>>>> >>>> students for
>>>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>>>> >>>> expected.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated IDE
>>>> >>>> used properly
>>>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many developers
>>>> >>>> or which uses a
>>>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bob
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software development
>>>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors abhor
>>>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>> Aswin.
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