[Chicago] Regarding Text Editors

Mon Oct 31 23:25:31 EDT 2016

(Yes, it was sarcasm.)

On Oct 31, 2016 10:08 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I hope that's sarcasm...
>
> Check Wikileaks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Anish Krishnan <anish.krishnan.1216 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't think I've read a more offensive email in my life, and I was
> involved in politics for 3 years.
>
> On Oct 31, 2016 8:25 PM, "Michael Tamillow" <mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from
>> github and stack overflow.
>>
>> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need
>> for an education system even.
>>
>> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and
>> foremost a Sublime guy.
>>
>> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits
>>> with
>>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just
>>> to
>>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some
>>> pretty
>>> > sweet stuff.
>>> >
>>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any
>>> features
>>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also
>>> use it,
>>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing
>>> you can
>>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and
>>> don't see
>>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next
>>> holy
>>> > battle.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration,
>>> it's
>>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based
>>> editor!  It's
>>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does
>>> stuff
>>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's
>>> hard for
>>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra
>>> layer
>>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>>> >>
>>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really
>>> understand, eg
>>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can
>>> they
>>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like
>>> learning
>>> >> the basics is important.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're
>>> judged by
>>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal
>>> preference.  Once
>>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or
>>> whatever
>>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on
>>> your
>>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>>> >>
>>> >> - Japhy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools -
>>> Emacs,
>>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it
>>> doesn't
>>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing
>>> code -
>>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so
>>> if you
>>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if
>>> you're pair
>>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an
>>> editor
>>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>>> >>>> students for
>>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>>> >>>> expected.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated
>>> IDE
>>> >>>> used properly
>>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many
>>> developers
>>> >>>> or which uses a
>>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Bob
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software
>>> development
>>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors
>>> abhor
>>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>> Aswin.
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