[Distutils] Distutils dependencies sprint at PyCon?

Phillip J. Eby pje at telecommunity.com
Fri Feb 27 14:56:22 EST 2004

Bob Ippolito and I have been talking about working on distutils dependency 
support while at PyCon.  The subject has recently come up on both the 
Zope3-Dev and Twisted mailing lists, with respect to being able to:

1) break up monolithic systems (PEAK, Zope, Twisted) into smaller package 
sets with dependencies

2) allow dependencies on other systems (e.g. Twisted using PyProtocols, 
PEAK using zope.publisher, etc.)

3) support painless install for end users (single command to download and 
install "everything needed") even at the cost of a little pain for the 

4) allow dependencies on packages that were packaged with the distutils, 
but *not* specifically designed to work with the dependency system.  In 
other words, if I want to depend on package X, I should not need to bug 
package X's author, I should be able to "just do it".

5) Support Python 2.2, while not requiring changes to the distutils, but 
being a possible candidate for upgrades to the distutils in 2.4.

If there's a group that would like to sprint to produce working 
deliverables for one or more aspects of this problem area (and I think 
PIMP/PackMan shows that solutions are within reach), I'd like to get some 
schedule commitments so I can plan a trip.  I wasn't originally planning to 
go to PyCon this year, but I *will* come if it means we can get this thing 

If there is sufficient interest, let's take this to an appropriate mailing 
list (perhaps distutils-sig?) and Wiki to put together a detailed set of 
stories, as long as we can prioritize the list according to the needs of 
the folks who will be doing the development.

If you're interested in participating in such a sprint, please let me know 
ASAP, so I can make travel arrangements.  Thanks.

(Please reply to me personally rather than to the list(s); I will summarize 
and post an announcement of where to direct further discussion, if there's 
enough interest to get this off the ground.  Thanks!)

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