[Distutils] The problem with Setuptools on Python 3.

[Ronald Oussoren]

On 21 Apr, 2009, at 14:31, Eric Smith wrote:

> Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>> On 20 Apr, 2009, at 22:12, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry you feel that way, as I've been *trying* to help.  I  
>>>> just still
>>>> don't get what the problem is.  If I were porting setuptools to  
>>>> Python 3, I
>>>> would *want* it to be circular, even if I had to hack on it a  
>>>> little at
>>>> first.  So I have a hard time understanding why you don't.
>>>
>>> But it CAN NOT be circular under Python 3.
>> I don't understand why not, doing it may be not entirely trivial  
>> but it should be possible with some trickery.  As PJE noted one way  
>> to do this is to explicitly convert setuptools to python 3.x syntax  
>> before actually running setup.py (e.g. his setup3.py file).  With  
>> some care this could even be done in setup.py itself.
>
> But even if it's possible to make it circular, is that really a good  
> design? I think not.

Given what setuptools tries to do I don't think the circular design is  
a problem. A standalone distutils would have had the same problem.

In the long run the useful features of setuptools should incorperated  
into distutils, instead of monkeypatching distutils. That is, of  
course, an entirely different issue and one that's already being  
worked on.

Ronald
>
> Eric.

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