[Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

Daniel Holth dholth at gmail.com
Wed Oct 21 14:29:17 EDT 2015

We're not just grumpy, we have seen The One Build System idea tried several
times with bad results. Instead, if you have the inclination, time, and
ability, you could try to build a new competing build system like
http://flit.readthedocs.org/ did, or you could help try to figure out how
to improve support for said competing build systems in pip, or you could
even try to make a pip replacement that is better for distributing end-user
applications. Ideally one of these new build systems will be compelling
enough that new packages will choose to use it instead of distutils in the
same way that people choose Django over the cgi module.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM Wayne Werner <waynejwerner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:32 PM, David Cournapeau <cournape at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Ronny Pfannschmidt <
>> opensource at ronnypfannschmidt.de> wrote:
>>> why does that have to be in setuptools ?!
>>> if we want a new light system to begin with, shouldn't it be far more
>>> sustainable to use just implementations of the new standards rather than
>>> leaving all of setuptools
>>> there is no viable way in setuptools to get rid of the legacy ina sane
>>> and fast manner, it would drag out over years
>> agreed. I have never met a person who had to deal substantially with
>> distutils code and enjoyed the experience.
>> The whole architecture is fundamentally flawed. I wrote this a long time
>> ago, but I still stand by most arguments:
>> https://cournape.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/python-packaging-a-few-observations-cabal-for-a-solution/
> I've (luckily?) never had to deal with distutils code... I am definitely
> digging the post. First time I've read it, but I am definitely more
> pro-standard-interface-and-let-tools-do-with-it-what-they-will than I was a
> few minutes ago.
> Would pip's freeze format work a la the cabal file, or is it missing too
> much information?
> -Wayne
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