[Distutils] The Python Packaging Ecosystem (of Nick) Support for other programming languages

Nathaniel Smith njs at pobox.com
Fri Apr 7 01:55:21 EDT 2017

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Thomas Güttler
<guettliml at thomas-guettler.de> wrote:
> Am 06.04.2017 um 17:22 schrieb Nathaniel Smith:
>> On Apr 6, 2017 7:32 AM, "Thomas Güttler" <guettliml at thomas-guettler.de <mailto:guettliml at thomas-guettler.de>> wrote:
>>     Dear Nick and other distutils listeners,
>>     Nick wrote this about seven months ago:
>>     http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2016/09/python-packaging-ecosystem.html <http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2016/09/python-packaging-ecosystem.html>
>>     I love Python and I use it daily.
>>     On the other hand there are other interesting programming languages out there.
>>     Why not do "thinking in sets" here and see python just as one item in the list of a languages?
>>     Let's dream: All languages should be supported in the ever best packaging solution of the future.
>>     What do you think?
>> This is basically what conda attempts to do. It's nice in some ways, but does also have limitations.
>> In any case this isn't a very useful thing to post here?
> For me it was very useful. I was not aware of the paypal post about python packaging. Yes, it was useful.

My point was it's wasting the time of the many many people who read
this list, who are trying to move Python packaging forward for the
millions of people who use Python. Justifying that by saying your
message was useful to *you* is... stunningly self-centered. Did your
post make *Python* better? If not, maybe think twice next time before

>> Distutils and pip and pypi aren't going anywhere,
> That's new to me. I guess I misunderstood what you said (I am not a native speaker). I understood "There is no progress, and won't be in the future". That's new to me.
> I saw several new pip versions in the past. I thought there was progress.

My apologies for using an unclear idiom. My sentence means: "they are
not going to disappear, or be replaced by something radically

>>.. and the folks here are all at their limit trying to keep them from falling over, so taking up time with these super vague blue sky ideas is a bit rude.
> What is the problem if "falling over" happens?
> Is there no easier solution then going at its limit?
> Why is having blue sky ideas rude? AFAIK the word "rude" means "offensively impolite or bad-mannered."
> I personally like the tongue spoken at the linux-kernel mailing list (or systemd). Yes, the people there are impolite and bad-mannered.
> People speak you what they think and feel. Why not? I think being polite in tech related discussions slows down progress.
> Look at my signature. Tell me what's wrong: Hit me with arguments.

If you don't care how your words effect others then I'm not really
interested in talking to you, except to urge you to reconsider that.


Nathaniel J. Smith -- https://vorpus.org

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