Further to my last - My grand scheme of course is to found a new school of programming. There's Extreme Programming. I do Naive Programming. I am going to draw a circle. >>>>from math import pi >>>>pi 3.14159265369 Stop right there. pi?? Curious number. Curious enough to have blown the mind of a civilization. Read "The History of Pi". >>>(next line) Slow development cycle, but thorough.