[Edu-sig] IDLE wish (was Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16)

kirby urner kirby.urner at gmail.com
Sat Mar 4 01:57:54 CET 2006

> The turtle.py module is minimal, and isn't going to be taken out of the standard
> distribution just because Arthur or Kirby don't like it.

I never ever said I "don't like" turtle.py nor did I suggest deleting
it from the Standard Library.  Not once.

I discussed it's being broken on Windows (the only platform on which
I've played with it), but we already know that.  I was even willing to
blame Windows (then I was corrected).

What I *did* say is:

(1) turtle graphics is valuable, popular, here to stay

(2) I don't personally use the turtle graphics approach at present

(3) I don't believe Python *must* have better turtle in order to be
useful in education,
including for beginners.

But if it *does* gain stronger turtle powers, so much the better.  I
know a lot of educators will be happier if this occurs.

And I've learned about many turtle projects I didn't even know about.

I said I'd stop making remarks on this topic because someone would
misconstrue my position as "anti-turtle".

I see I didn't stop soon enough.

The misinterpretation of my remarks has already gained a foothold.

Please do not repeat the baseless rumor that I am either anti-turtle
or have ever recommended deleting turtle.py or whatever somebody said
I said.

And do not confuse my views with Arthur's.  He and I disagree on many issues.


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