[Idle-dev] Some implemented ideas that may help IDLE, request for feedback

[Guilherme Polo]

2009/8/17 Guilherme Polo <ggpolo at gmail.com>:
> 2009/8/17 Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>:
>> Tal Einat wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip...]
>>>
>>>>> * Bring IDLE's shell forward on first thing printed to sys.stderr,
>>>>> this can only happen again after a shell restart. I consider this of
>>>>> great importance when writing programs that may open other windows,
>>>>> like a Tkinter program, or a Visual one, since the user might expect
>>>>> something to happen on that window but nothing happens because of an
>>>>> error that occurred without him noticing. As reported by Bruce, the
>>>>> lack of this feature has been a big problem in courses where novices
>>>>> write such programs and don't understand why an animation has stopped,
>>>>> because the error message is behind other windows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -0  (doesn't this mean having to *constantly* move the window out of the
>>>> way
>>>> when your logging code causes it to jump in front of your GUI)
>>>>
>>>
>>> ... which would teach users to only log actual errors to stderr.
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Really? Even in libraries they didn't write?
>>
>> Deliberately pissing off users, even in the name of teaching them good
>> habits, is never a good strategy.
>>
>
> I have no doubt this is a feature that might help some and annoy
> others. I still stand on my opinion that it is a good addition, but
> making it optional seems really the better way to go.

It is now "officially" an option, defaulting to bring shell forward on
first error.


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-- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves