[IPython-dev] Results of last year's user survey

[Aaron Meurer]

The guest access of HipChat is really what sucks to me. There is no
chat history, so accidentally reloading the page causes you to lose
all context.

Gitter does email you when a starred room has activity. I think they
also email you if you are @mentioned (not positive about that last
part, but it would be silly if they didn't). According to
https://gitter.im/apps phone apps are coming soon.

I've been using it since the public beta started in December and I've
been really impressed with how fast it has improved.

The only concern with gitter is that they are currently in beta, so
it's not clear what will remain free when they leave it. But seeing as
you guys are already paying for HipChat, it shouldn't be as big of a
concern for you.

Aaron Meurer

On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:08 PM, MinRK <benjaminrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are chat rooms for organizations and repos
>
> - only members of an organization can join the org room
> - public repo rooms are public
> - private repo rooms are private
>
> I think there are two things that we use on HipChat that gitter doesn't do:
>
> - guest access (GitHub login is required even for public rooms)
> - push/email notifications for mentions when idle (it supports desktop, but
> not offline notifications)
>
> For the most part, I think Gitter seems a lot better than HipChat,
> especially for guests (at least those with GitHub accounts). I am not
> especially fond of HipChat, and the guest experience is pretty horrendous
> (no native app, no history, frequent crashes, etc.), so I wouldn't mind
> giving something else a try.
>
> -MinRK
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Aaron Meurer <asmeurer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gitter does support direct messages. I don't know if it supports private
>> rooms.
>>
>> Aaron Meurer
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Thomas Kluyver <takowl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 10 March 2014 13:02, Aaron Meurer <asmeurer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  I didn't know you guys were dropping 2.6 support so soon.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yep. We've been fairly aggressive with Python version requirements for a
>> > while - we were one of the first projects to drop 2.5 support as well.
>> > We
>> > anticipate we'll get some bug reports about it, but we think it's worth
>> > it
>> > to be able to use 2.7 features reliably. It's so easy to forget what 2.6
>> > didn't have, which is why we had to release 1.2.1 soon after 1.2.0.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regarding hipchat, I hate to say it, but nobody uses it because it
>> >> sucks. I personally hate it every time I try to use it. The interface
>> >> is just the worst for people who are not registered. You guys should
>> >> take a look at gitter.im. It integrates with GitHub, it's free, and it
>> >> has nice things like backlogs on chats for everyone.
>> >
>> >
>> > We do actually see a couple of questions on Hipchat most days - probably
>> > more traffic than the mailing list - but I don't think most of the
>> > people
>> > using the help chat room would have heard about the survey. Gitter does
>> > look
>> > interesting, though.
>> >
>> > Brian: I think Gitter has private rooms if you associate it with private
>> > repos. People who can see the repo see the chat room. I don't know about
>> > direct messaging.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I'm a little surprised about the academia vs. industry usage. I
>> >> suspect there were just more respondents from the academic side than
>> >> from industry.
>> >
>> >
>> > That's quite possible. The results are probably also biased towards
>> > English
>> > speakers, early adopters, and technically proficient users. Getting a
>> > representative sample is pretty tricky. But I think the results give us
>> > some
>> > ballpark figures.
>> >
>> > Thomas
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > IPython-dev mailing list
>> > IPython-dev at scipy.org
>> > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/ipython-dev
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> IPython-dev mailing list
>> IPython-dev at scipy.org
>> http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/ipython-dev
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IPython-dev mailing list
> IPython-dev at scipy.org
> http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/ipython-dev
>