[IronPython] Patent concerns

[Eric Nicholson]

I'm also not a lawyer, but...

I previously would have agreed about the protections in the license, but
until the whole claim of 135 Patent violations in Linux clears up, I'm not
sure.  MS Legal needs to prove that they can be trusted.

-Eric

On 5/31/07, M. David Peterson <xmlhacker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not a lawyer, but I can read,
>
> (B) Patent Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, including the
> > license conditions and limitations in section 3, each contributor grants you
> > a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license under its licensed patents
> > to make, have made, use, sell, offer for sale, import, and/or otherwise
> > dispose of its contribution in the software or derivative works of the
> > contribution in the software.
>
>
> In section 3,
>
> (B) If you bring a patent claim against any contributor over patents that
> > you claim are infringed by the software, your patent license from such
> > contributor to the software ends automatically.
>
>
>
> In summary: We won't sue you, if you don't sue us.  If you do, then the
> gloves are off.
>
> And let me reiterate: I am not a lawyer.
>
> On 5/31/07, John Messerly <jomes at microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am definitely not a lawyer, but I think this question is addressed in
> > the Microsoft Permissive License (http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/licensingbasics/permissivelicense.mspx
> > ). See section 2.b, "Patent Grant".
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com]
> > On Behalf Of Sanghyeon Seo
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:10 PM
> > To: Discussion of IronPython
> > Subject: [IronPython] Patent concerns
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Recently on jvm-languages list, which is an interest group surrounding
> > language implementation for the JVM, Frank Wierzbicki from Jython
> > project expressed the concern that Microsoft may hold a lot of patents
> > related to IronPython, so he is reluctant to look at the source code
> > even if it is open-sourced.
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/jvm-languages/msg/0d16a82b53233a72
> >
> > Apparently, this seems to be a widespread concern. I think this is a
> > pity, since in my opinion IronPython has a lot of good ideas that
> > would benefit language implementations on JVM.
> >
> > So, please answer if possible. What patents Microsoft hold, related to
> > IronPython?
> >
> > --
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