[Mailman-Developers] documentation for config.pck elements?

[Dan Mick]

> Dan Mick <dmick@utopia.West.Sun.COM> writes:
> 
> > It might be that inverting the problem might be the right answer:
> > Mailman 2.1 goes through an API for all "member"-type queries, and
> > so perhaps storing the member info external to config.db via a new
> > "member-adaptor" interface, so that TMDA could also access it
> > through a stable interface, would be the right Mailman/TMDA
> > integration answer?  See MemberAdaptor.py and
> > OldStyleMemberships.py.
> 
> That would certainly make things easier, but the "integration" is easy
> enough as it is.  TMDA just uses core Python to reach into the
> config.db or config.pck and extract e-mail addresses from the various
> attributes.  

"ease" wasn't the point; the point is that "reaching into config.db"
is unsupported, whereas "plugin membership module" *is* intended
to be supported, and therefore stable interface.  Then, since
you've got your choice of storage formats, the world's your oyster
as far as sharing between Mailman and TMDA.

Granted, it's a lot more work, but it's a blessed interface
as opposed to "looking under the hood", which is almost certainly
going to break sometime in the future.

> > Interesting, though; just trying out SpamAssassin, and while it's
> > working fairly well right now, the concept of TMDA is interesting
> > now that I've spent some brainpower on out-of-the-box ideas about
> > spam filtering.
> 
> Well, nothing against SpamAssassin, but programs like that were why I
> wrote TMDA.  Overly complex, a risk of false-positives, and not
> effective enough (for me).  I talk more about this on the TMDA
> homepage.  Plus, TMDA is written in Python.  :-)

Yeah, I read that, which is why I said the concept was
interesting...  although SA is working pretty well for me right now.
The integration with my mail system was a lot easier to grok, if
not do.

> > It's not very obvious to me that I can use it, though, since I'm not
> > in a position to change my first-line MTAs here at work, and I'd be
> > willing to bet they don't forward the user-extension form of
> > address.
> 
> You can use whatever you want as the recipient delimiter including `+'
> which is the default under Sendmail. 

Under relatively-recent Sendmail, yeah, but I wasn't willing to
believe that all our various mailhosts were relatively-recent.

>  I just sent a test message to
> ``dmick+test@utopia.West.Sun.COM'' and it seems to have gone through
> fine.

I did just get that message, though.  Hmm.  Well, anyway, my use
of TMDF is not exactly on-topic for mm-devel.  Um...what's your
email address?  (d'oh! :)  (never mind, I have it.)