making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:
[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)
Barry Warsaw
barry at python.org
Wed Feb 16 17:24:26 CET 2005
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 08:54, Tobias Eigen wrote:
> It's really weird to have to log in
> multiple times to access multiple list settings, especially if it's the
> same password being used everywhere. It's likewise weird to then be
> able to make "global" changes from one list's preferences page.
There's no question that this is a major usability issue, but it's a
result of an ancient architectural decision that is difficult to fix and
not backwards compatible.
> Has
> anybody considered having a usability expert look at the Mailman
> interfaces and redesign them so they make more sense from a user's
> point of view? How easy is it to customize these pages? Are they
> perchance templatable?
Not easily. One of the goals of MM3 is to make the u/i fully templated.
I certainly make no claims to web u/i artistry, and there have been a
few attempts over the years to improve things, but no one with the
expertise has stepped forward and owned the task of doing this. I'd
welcome it though.
> And we're only talking about the frontend (listinfo interface) here
> now, not even the backend (admin interface) for list owners. The
> backend is so incredibly complex and overwhelming that it has become a
> serious stumbling block for us in offering a service that people will
> actually use.
I agree. Somehow we need to make the admin interface much simpler,
without sacrificing the important features that (some) people will
need. It's a challenge. I actually think that list styles will help a
lot here.
> For Kabissa these interfaces have to be as easy to use as
> Yahoo Groups or Google (has anyone tried Google's groups? They are
> quite nifty actually). We have people coming online from all over
> Africa who pay dearly for every precious minute they spend online.
I hear you.
-Barry
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