[Mailman-Users] A couple of questions (more!)

[Richard Ellerbrock]

Here is another one to add to my list of questions/problems. There appears to be a problem with bounce detection on mailman. I am running mailman 1b11 with sendmail 8.9.3. What I have done is to remove a host from my network which had plenty of subscribers on a mailman list. What is now happening is that sendmail (or mailman?) groups all the smtp transactions into one for this host (mwp.eskom.co.za) and only the first address is detected as a bounce. The chain of events is a follows: send message to archaoe, list expands, one message is generated, sendmail detects host does not exist, only one address is picked up as failed (the first one, lootsc at mwp.eskom.co.za). This can be verified in the ~mailman/logs/bounce file and also the maillog extracts attached. I sent three test messages and as can be seen, only the first address is detected as a bounce.

Apr 09 11:48:20 1999  Archcoe: LootsC at mwp.eskom.co.za - first
Apr 09 13:21:35 1999  Archcoe: LootsC at mwp.eskom.co.za - 2 more allowed over 4264
04 secs
Apr 09 15:59:04 1999  Archcoe: LootsC at mwp.eskom.co.za - 1 more allowed over 4169
55 secs


Apr  9 15:58:59 lisa sendmail[15796]: PAA15796: from=<RichardE at eskom.co.za>, size=676, class=0, pri=30676, nrcpts=1, msgid=<s70e23c3.084 at eskom.co.za>, proto=ESMTP, relay=root at mail-spool1.eskom.co.za [147.110.52.3]
Apr  9 15:59:00 lisa sendmail[15797]: PAA15797: clone PAA15796, owner=archcoe-admin
Apr  9 15:59:01 lisa sendmail[15797]: PAA15797: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post archcoe", delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
Apr  9 15:59:03 lisa sendmail[15805]: PAA15805: from=<archcoe-admin at lists.eskom.co.za>, size=1344, class=-60, pri=439344, nrcpts=11, msgid=<s70e23c3.084 at eskom.co.za>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:daemon at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Apr  9 15:59:03 lisa sendmail[15807]: PAA15805: to=<LootsC at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<dbeerlj at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<gerberp at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<jacobsja at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<kieserhc at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<levyl at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<lubbingl at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<robertef at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<singhv at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<underwmw at mwp.eskom.co.za>,<vdmerwj at mwp.eskom.co.za>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, relay=mwp.eskom.co.za, stat=Host unknown (Name server: mwp.eskom.co.za: host not found)
Apr  9 15:59:04 lisa sendmail[15807]: PAA15805: PAA15807: DSN: Host unknown (Name server: mwp.eskom.co.za: host not found)
Apr  9 15:59:04 lisa sendmail[15807]: PAA15807: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner archcoe", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent


Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za


>>> "Richard Ellerbrock" <RichardE at eskom.co.za> 04/07/99 03:01PM >>>
Just a compliment to start off with. I think that mailman is the best thing since sliced bread!

Now for the questions:

Under the list admin web page, membership management page, mass subscribe section how does a person change the "Send Welcome message to this batch?" to default to no.

If I change the DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = 2048 in the mm_cfg.py file, the web page only displays the first three characters (204). Bug!

Under the list admin web page, Archival Options, how do I change Archive Options to default to No? If I change ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1 in mm_cfg.py, strange things happen. The web page still says Yes and I can never get archiving turned on again. I now have to resort to manually changing this to No for each list that I create. Bummer!

I would really like to see a generic interface for user subscriptions like Listserv has. All admin commands can be sent to an address like listserv at myhost.com with subscribe, view list etc. commands. Anybody willing to do this? It should be pretty simple writing a wrapper around mailman, but I do not know python and I do not have the time to figure it out.


Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za 



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