From fholson at tcfreenet.org  Thu Mar  1 02:43:07 2001
From: fholson at tcfreenet.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:43:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host details?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10102281930470.55675-100000@tcfreenet.org>

Hi,
I am list owner of a list being moved to a Mailman 2.0 system
(which is fairly recently installed by other folks here in Minneapolis).
I only have access to the WWW interface to list admin functions. I have
not read the system admin docs - did not want to download the tarball
etc...

I have read mention of "virtual host" and "virtual domain" in various
places but have not seen a discussion of the topic.  I assume that this
refers to a list appearing to be at a chosen domain other than where 
Mailman is running.  How is this done?

I have set my mailman-users sub to nomail mode so CC's of response direct
would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Fred

BTW setting digest mode as default does not seem to apply to mass
subscribes (they get subscribed in regular mode).  Is this a feature or a
bug?

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From cmorgan at fusioncm.com  Thu Mar  1 04:41:54 2001
From: cmorgan at fusioncm.com (Clark E. Morgan)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demime.pl with smrsh
Message-ID: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMKELMCEAA.cmorgan@fusioncm.com>

Hi folks,if someone could lend me a hand here, I would be grateful.
I'm trying to use demime.pl with the following recommended hook in
aliases.

foo: "|/home/mailman/mail/demime.pl - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foo"

but i get back the following error:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/demime.pl - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post shaka"
    (expanded from: <foo at bar.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: cannot use | in command
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/demime.pl - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
shaka"... Service unavailable

So I'm thinking it's the pipe into a pipe that is creating the problem.
I'm running smrsh and am not sure if the limitation is being imposed there
or not. I do have the approp sym links for both the mailman wrapper and
demime.pl in sm.bin. Has anyone seen this and can recommend a viable
solution?

Thanks

Clark E. Morgan




From lindsey at mallorn.com  Thu Mar  1 04:45:24 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:45:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demime.pl with smrsh
In-Reply-To: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMKELMCEAA.cmorgan@fusioncm.com>; from cmorgan@fusioncm.com on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 10:41:54PM -0500
References: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMKELMCEAA.cmorgan@fusioncm.com>
Message-ID: <20010228214524.F30792@mallorn.com>

On Feb 28, Clark E. Morgan wrote:
> foo: "|/home/mailman/mail/demime.pl - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post foo"
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: cannot use | in command
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/demime.pl - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> shaka"... Service unavailable
> 
> So I'm thinking it's the pipe into a pipe that is creating the problem.
> I'm running smrsh and am not sure if the limitation is being imposed there
> or not. I do have the approp sym links for both the mailman wrapper and
> demime.pl in sm.bin. Has anyone seen this and can recommend a viable
> solution?

Yes, that's a smrsh limitation.

The only real solution is to create a script that takes input and
pipes it to wrapper, then make that script runable by smrsh.

Chris



From tanner at real-time.com  Thu Mar  1 05:02:54 2001
From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:02:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Medusa?
Message-ID: <20010228220254.D3670@real-time.com>

Can Medusa <http://www.nightmare.com/medusa/README.html> be used to increase
mailman performance?

-- 
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http://www.mn-linux.org                 | Fax   : (952)943-8500
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From jcrey at uma.es  Thu Mar  1 11:10:38 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:10:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing servers and upgrading at the same time
References: <024101c0a1c0$2625ad10$0401a8c0@ptb.org>
Message-ID: <3A9E201E.BE0FF215@uma.es>

Paul Barnett wrote:
> 
> Do I:
> 
> (1) Install Mailman 2.0.1 on the new server and somehow copy the
> subscription info and archives to the new server?

I think, this is the right way.
You must to change some list parameters, like 'web_page_url' so
advertised lists can be shown to users.

> Suggestions are welcome.

You must install python 2.0
Cheers
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From alessio at albourne.com  Thu Mar  1 11:25:06 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:25:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demime.pl with smrsh
References: <OBEOKNDKLFFCKMKHHBAMKELMCEAA.cmorgan@fusioncm.com> <20010228214524.F30792@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <3A9E2382.FF966943@albourne.com>

"Christopher P. Lindsey" wrote:

> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > sh: cannot use | in command
> > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/demime.pl - |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> > shaka"... Service unavailable

> Yes, that's a smrsh limitation.
> 
> The only real solution is to create a script that takes input and
> pipes it to wrapper, then make that script runable by smrsh.

True.

That's the script I wrote and use (it's Perl, probably overkill)

[alessio at obi-wan bin]$ cat /usr/local/bin/demime-wrapper
#!/usr/bin/perl
 
my $cmd = join (' ','| /usr/local/bin/demime - |
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper', at ARGV);
undef @ARGV;
open WRAPPER, $cmd or die "Cannot pipe to wrapper: $!\n";
while (<>) {
  print WRAPPER;
}
---------- cut --------

and its use:
foo: "|/usr/local/bin/demime-wrapper post foo"

You have then to put a symlink to /user/local/bin/demime-wrapper in the
smrsh directory.

-- 
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APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

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		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From konrad.heiss at tiwag.co.at  Thu Mar  1 11:38:27 2001
From: konrad.heiss at tiwag.co.at (Heiss Konrad)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:38:27 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no response after confirmation
Message-ID: <F087E1C5C08BD3118222006094308CE90B2207@exchange.tiwag.co.at>

Hi

I've installed mailman completly new from the debian dpkg
Everything is running fine except:
if a user subscribes, he get the confirmation mail. He replys the mail and
GET NO SUBSCRIPTION.

In the mailman log this User is marked as "pending"

I use exim as MTA and I know, there where additional adjustings with earlyer
Versions of mailman. But I cannot find any remarks about using exim?

You can visit my Server running mailman (to see all config-files):
use: ssh
server: mail.aio4u.com
user: gast
password: passwd

Please return a tip where I can get help!

Heiss Konrad



From kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl  Thu Mar  1 13:46:33 2001
From: kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl (kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:46:33 -0300 (CLST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error....
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103010940590.5717-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>


I've have changed my list of server and upgraded the version of mailman
(2.0rc1 to 2.0.1) and now I got the following error

The original message was received at Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:30:07 -0300
from encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl [146.83.196.25]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <la-chacra at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"... Service
unavailable

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl
Received-From-MTA: DNS; encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl
Arrival-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:30:07 -0300

Final-Recipient: RFC822; la-chacra at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 69
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:30:08 -0300


I've corrected some other problems like the gid for the cgi and mail...

Please help me 'cause this list is very important on my server and i've to
get it running as soon as possible.... thanks...







From andreas at conectiva.com.br  Thu Mar  1 14:25:17 2001
From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:25:17 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bannig someone
Message-ID: <20010301102517.G9403@conectiva.com.br>

Ok, I saw that this feature is on the current wishlist, but has somebody
created some workaround for now?
I want to ban a specific user from talking, subscribing, etc. The list
is moderated, so of course I can stop his postings, and I get notified
of all subscriptions, but I would like to even stop him from subscribing.
Yes, he can change his email, etc. Whatever.

Has someone implemented something, even if ugly :), for this? Perhaps
another wrapper, let the alias expand to that, check the email and only 
then call the real wrapper?




From stanton at livsform.com  Thu Mar  1 14:37:38 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 08:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103010940590.5717-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>
Message-ID: <B6C3BAD1.EFB%stanton@livsform.com>

Try putting a symlink in your /etc/smrsh directory pointing to wrapper:

cd?/etc/smrsh
ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

-stanton
-- 

Stanton Schell
livsform design group
stanton at livsform.com
703-538-3491
703-989-6591

> From: <kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:46:33 -0300 (CLST)
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error....
> 
> 
> 
> I've have changed my list of server and upgraded the version of mailman
> (2.0rc1 to 2.0.1) and now I got the following error
> 
> The original message was received at Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:30:07 -0300
> from encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl [146.83.196.25]
> 
>  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"
>   (reason: service unavailable)
>   (expanded from: <la-chacra at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>)
> 
>  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"... Service
> unavailable
> 
>   [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:30:07 -0300
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; la-chacra at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl
> X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.5.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 69
> Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:30:08 -0300
> 
> 
> I've corrected some other problems like the gid for the cgi and mail...
> 
> Please help me 'cause this list is very important on my server and i've to
> get it running as soon as possible.... thanks...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl  Thu Mar  1 15:59:14 2001
From: kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl (kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:59:14 -0300 (CLST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smrsh error....
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103010940590.5717-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103011027170.7656-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>

I've resolved the problem but now i got another...


when i send a mail to the list i got a message back with the following
error...

[root at encino mailman-2.0.1]# /etc/smrsh/wrapper post
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take
0?)
then i've run configure --with-mail-gid=0

then wrapper run in shell... but when I send a mail to the list appears 
the following error


Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
12?)
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"... unknown mailer
error 2


??? now i'm very confused.....
please help me...




From kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl  Thu Mar  1 16:00:58 2001
From: kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl (kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:00:58 -0300 (CLST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More Errors ...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103011200050.9403-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>

I've resolved the problem with smrsh but now i got another...


when i send a mail to the list i got a message back with the following
error...

[root at encino mailman-2.0.1]# /etc/smrsh/wrapper post
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take
0?)
then i've run configure --with-mail-gid=0

then wrapper run in shell... but when I send a mail to the list appears
the following error


Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
12?)
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"... unknown mailer
error 2


??? now i'm very confused.....
please help me...







From said.elmamouni at math.univ-nantes.fr  Thu Mar  1 16:19:55 2001
From: said.elmamouni at math.univ-nantes.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sa=EFd?= El Mamouni)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:19:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WANTED gid d, GOT gid
In-Reply-To: <E14YUYl-0003Ei-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010301161442.00a94510@lebesgue.math.sciences.univ-nantes.fr>

Hello

I've just installed mailman on a digital unix server
when i send email to subscribe to a list, sendmail reply that :

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d. (Reconfigure to take d?)
554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post csmath"... unknown mailer error 2

does any one have a suggestion ?

thanks




From stanton at livsform.com  Thu Mar  1 16:26:32 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:26:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WANTED gid d, GOT gid
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010301161442.00a94510@lebesgue.math.sciences.univ-nantes.fr>
References: <4.2.0.58.20010301161442.00a94510@lebesgue.math.sciences.univ-nantes.fr>
Message-ID: <37195.206.144.26.44.983460392.squirrel@miesmail.livsform.com>

You will need to recompile mailman using --with-mail-gid=d  substituting 
whatever gid your mta's gid is for d.

-ss

> Hello
> 
> I've just installed mailman on a digital unix server
> when i send email to subscribe to a list, sendmail reply that :
> 
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d. (Reconfigure to take d?) 
554
> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post csmath"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> does any one have a suggestion ?
> 
> thanks
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


-- 
Stanton Schell
stanton at livsform.com
703.989.6591
703.538.3491




From stanton at livsform.com  Thu Mar  1 16:36:09 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:36:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More Errors ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103011200050.9403-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103011200050.9403-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>
Message-ID: <42192.206.144.26.44.983460969.squirrel@miesmail.livsform.com>

First, don't try to run the wrapper from the shell, it is not designed to be done.  
The first error message occurs because you are trying to run the wrapper as 
root, which has a gid of 0.  when you recompile with gid 0 and then try to send 
email to it, which will be gid 12, you are committing the same error in reverse.  
Compile --with-mail-gid=12 and then send an email to it.

-stanton


> I've resolved the problem with smrsh but now i got another...
> 
> 
> when i send a mail to the list i got a message back with the following error...
> 
> [root at encino mailman-2.0.1]# /etc/smrsh/wrapper post
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)
> then i've run configure --with-mail-gid=0
> 
> then wrapper run in shell... but when I send a mail to the list appears the
> following error
> 
> 
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post la-chacra"... unknown mailer 
error 2
> 
> 
> ??? now i'm very confused.....
> please help me...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


-- 
Stanton Schell
stanton at livsform.com
703.989.6591
703.538.3491




From raponchi at friends.cl  Thu Mar  1 18:52:50 2001
From: raponchi at friends.cl (Hanamichi Sakuragui (El Talentoso !!!))
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:52:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need help
Message-ID: <00e401c0a278$72a20590$c32a1fc8@indet.cl>

I 've installed mailman-2.0beta5-3.i386.rpm in my Red hat 6.2 with
apache-1.3.14-2.6.2 and when i try to admin 1 of my list, the server respond
me :

Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by
the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored
in your syslog:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take
99?)

Any ideas how to fix that ??
where can i find the lastest version of mailman in rpm format ??

Thanks




From TheBOFH at nc.rr.com  Thu Mar  1 18:09:59 2001
From: TheBOFH at nc.rr.com (The BOFH)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:09:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving List
Message-ID: <5.1.0.10.2.20010301120850.00bb21d8@mail.astrum.com>

Is there a FAQ or a README or some other documentation which details the 
steps to move a list from one machine to another?  I'm replacing a machine, 
and I don't know if I need to simply gzip up the list directories and move 
them, or if there are other steps involved.

Thanks,

SWS





From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Thu Mar  1 18:47:25 2001
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:47:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bannig someone
In-Reply-To: <20010301102517.G9403@conectiva.com.br>
References: <20010301102517.G9403@conectiva.com.br>
Message-ID: <p05010403b6c43a92e201@[216.162.173.6]>

Andreas,

Seems like you should be able to ban them at the MTA level.  I would 
add something like:

	From:kvetch at aol.com	DISCARD

to sendmail's access db.  You'll have to adjust that to whatever MTA 
you are actually using, of course.

	- H


>Ok, I saw that this feature is on the current wishlist, but has somebody
>created some workaround for now?
>I want to ban a specific user from talking, subscribing, etc. The list
>is moderated, so of course I can stop his postings, and I get notified
>of all subscriptions, but I would like to even stop him from subscribing.
>Yes, he can change his email, etc. Whatever.
>
>Has someone implemented something, even if ugly :), for this? Perhaps
>another wrapper, let the alias expand to that, check the email and only
>then call the real wrapper?

-- 

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haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Thu Mar  1 19:11:05 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:11:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron jobs
Message-ID: <B6C3ECD9.6033%rob@prometheusmedia.com>

I just installed Mailman yesterday, as I watch my system log, I see it
running a cron job every 2minutes or more! is that really necessary? Or is
there some way to scale that back a lil bit?

TIA, 
Rob
-- 
Web Site Creation and Hosting Services
Hostmaster at prometheusmedia.com
www.prometheusmedia.com





From david at idiomatrix.com  Thu Mar  1 19:49:27 2001
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] preventing a subscriber from posting
Message-ID: <005001c0a280$58acb100$3105e9c0@champlain.edu>

I am aware that one can enter the address of a subscriber into one of hte
fields in the Privacy section of the admin tools, but I would love to see
this feature be a little easier to access.

Wouldn't it be possible to add another check box to the membership
management area--something like "Posting Allowed" which could be deselected
for particular "read only" users?

/david

--
david herren    |    In an Internet without doors,
shoreham, vt    |    who needs Windows or Gates?




From dramboux at crisisweb.org  Thu Mar  1 19:56:39 2001
From: dramboux at crisisweb.org (Denis Ramboux)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: lists.crisisweb.org mailing list memberships reminder
References: <200103011000.FAA25455@lists.crisisweb.org>
Message-ID: <00ca01c0a281$5902a3c0$5601a8c0@crisisweb.org>

Hi,
I am Denis Ramboux the Operations manager at the International Crisis Group.
Eric Witte has set up the list that you are handling. However he has left
the organisation a few months ago.

We have now several tools for the electronic distribution of our report, I
would therefore appreciate if you could cancel your service.

Thanks

Denis Ramboux

****************************
International Crisis Group
149 avenue Louise
1050 Brussels
Belgium
Tel: +.32.2.536.00.67 (direct)
       +.32.2.536.00.60 (general)
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From rwhitmore at mail.ukans.edu  Thu Mar  1 20:15:47 2001
From: rwhitmore at mail.ukans.edu (Rick Whitmore)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:15:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.error
Message-ID: <001c01c0a284$059c8360$8be9ed81@law.ukans.edu>

Every few weeks, Mailman seems to hang, and the smtp-failures log indicates:

 TrySMTPDelivery:    socket.error  / host not found  (deferred)

and tells me to restart my MTA. This usually works, but it's happening with
more frequency.  The system is:

RedHat 6.2
Mailman 1.1
Exim 3.13

Any advice is appreciated.

Rick Whitmore, Technology Manager
The University of Kansas School of Law
r-whitmore at ku.edu




From dragonfy at fra.allnet.ne.jp  Thu Mar  1 22:04:03 2001
From: dragonfy at fra.allnet.ne.jp (Yasu)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:04:03 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password yasu310
Message-ID: <NFBBJJEFGLEKCFNDLEKLGEINCAAA.dragonfy@fra.allnet.ne.jp>




From room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org  Thu Mar  1 22:18:56 2001
From: room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org (Patriot)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm having an issue with 2.0.1 and news gatewaying.
Message-ID: <308871@bbs.pixel.citadel.org>

 I'm having an issue with 2.0.1 and news gatewaying.  
   
   
 It works fine, importing usenet news into e-mail and sending it out, 
however /tmp is filling up with:  
   
 389120 Feb 27 20:46 filew5MNZN   
   
 There are literally hundreds of these files and almost all of then are 
that same size.  Does anyone know why this is ocurring?  When I check the 
files each one is the same (I use diff) and they all seem to contain every 
post from each newsgroup I'm gatewaying.  
   
   
 Any help would be appreciated.  I didn't see anything in the archives on 
this.  
   
 Thanks!  






From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Thu Mar  1 22:31:22 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:31:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cron jobs
In-Reply-To: <B6C3ECD9.6033%rob@prometheusmedia.com>
Message-ID: <B6C41BC9.6051%rob@prometheusmedia.com>

On 3/1/01 12:11 PM, "Robert Brandtjen" <rob at prometheusmedia.com> wrote:

Ok, let me clarify a little more (after looking through the crontab), is it
necessary for qrunner to try resending every minute or can this be changed
to once every 30 minutes?

Also, what is gated_news ? I found nothing in FAQ on that, it says it can be
commented out, but what is it's purpose?

Rob

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From room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org  Thu Mar  1 22:46:00 2001
From: room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org (Patriot)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:46:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <308925@bbs.pixel.citadel.org>

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cron jobs
On 3/1/01 12:11 PM, "Robert Brandtjen" <rob at prometheusmedia.com> wrote:

Ok, let me clarify a little more (after looking through the crontab), is it
necessary for qrunner to try resending every minute or can this be changed
to once every 30 minutes?

Also, what is gated_news ? I found nothing in FAQ on that, it says it can be
commented out, but what is it's purpose?

Rob



That's the usernenet-e-mail mailinglist gatewaying.  Commenting it out in crontab will
shurtt down news gatewaying., if you set it up.






From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Mar  2 00:14:31 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:14:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cron jobs
Message-ID: <200103012312.PAA09051@utopia.west.sun.com>

> On 3/1/01 12:11 PM, "Robert Brandtjen" <rob at prometheusmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, let me clarify a little more (after looking through the crontab), is it
> necessary for qrunner to try resending every minute or can this be changed
> to once every 30 minutes?

qrunner doesn't "try to resend"; it's the backbone of mail flow
in Mailman.  See the comment at the top of qrunner.

Let it run every minute or so.  It does very little harm, and keeps
the list flowing.  Things are asynchronously queued to a very large
extent.
 
> Also, what is gated_news ? I found nothing in FAQ on that, it says it can be
> commented out, but what is it's purpose?

>From crontab.in.in:

# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * @PYTHON@ -S @prefix@/cron/gate_news

>From gate_news:

"""Poll the NNTP servers for messages to be gatewayed to mailing lists.

Usage: gate_news [options]

Where options are

    --help
    -h
        Print this text and exit.

"""




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Thu Mar  1 20:16:14 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:46:14 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron jobs
In-Reply-To: <B6C3ECD9.6033%rob@prometheusmedia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103020044170.1775-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Mar 1, 2001 at 12:11, Robert Brandtjen wrote:

>I just installed Mailman yesterday, as I watch my system log, I see it
>running a cron job every 2minutes or more! is that really necessary? Or is
>there some way to scale that back a lil bit?

Mailman's cron entries would be along with everyone else's in the
appropriate crontab directory, maybe /var/spool/cron. You can scale
that back. What you're seeing is probably the qrunner. That's what
delivers mail generated by mailman (and retries failed deliveries?).

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From rajmohan at miel.mot.com  Fri Mar  2 06:34:58 2001
From: rajmohan at miel.mot.com (Rajmohan B)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:04:58 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] query regd configure script
Message-ID: <200103020536.LAA10012@miel.mot.com>

Hi,

I have certain packages installed in my home directory - ~/local/. How should i make configure scripts to search for the header files in my home directory 
in addition to the system default? Because after i run configure script and run make, i get errors relating to header files being not found.

Is there any option which can be given to configure script?

Thanks in advance.

regards,
Rajmohan





From barry at digicool.com  Fri Mar  2 08:16:09 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
References: <20010202150745.F31118@sherohman.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.21.0102022128470.14857-100000@euler.math.ksu.edu>
Message-ID: <15007.18617.667100.573386@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JT" == James Thompson <jamest at math.ksu.edu> writes:

    JT> For what it's worth.  The Approve.py handler in mailman does
    JT> seem to check for the Approved: header and will compare it's
    JT> value to the mail list admin password.  It looks like this
    JT> should work fine from what I've found in the source.  However,
    JT> it doesn't seem to.

    JT> Is there any way to make mailman produce some type of
    JT> debugging output?

James, did you ever get more information about this problem?  Mailman
definitely supports Approved: headers and it works fine for me testing
against MM2.0.1 and the current CVS snapshot.

>From your original message though, it seems like you're asking about
adding Approved: to the first line of the /body/ of the message
instead of the headers.  No, Mailman does not support that.

-Barry



From pete at smtl.co.uk  Fri Mar  2 10:17:32 2001
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:17:32 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with the wrapper program - *Lots* of detail.
Message-ID: <200103020917.JAA13854@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

(Apols if this is a duplicate - I think I sent the first one to an
administrative address).

Hi

I too am experiencing problems with 2.0.1 mailman and the wrapper GID
problem. Enclosed below are, hopefully, enough snippets for someone to
solve the problem.

Firstly - yes, I have followed the INSTALL (as I understand it), read
the FAQ, searched the python.org archives, and searched all of this
years mailman digests.

Anyway...

	Platform:  Red Hat Linux 6.0 , Kernel 2.2.17 on an i686
	Mailman: 2.0.1
	MTA: sendmail-8.11.0

On sending the confirmation reply to a subscription request, I get the 
following in my sendmail log:

	Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
	script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)

Here is my configuration line:

	./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
	--exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
	--with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
	--with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib 
	--with-mail-gid='mail'
	--with-cgi-gid='nobody' 
	--with-cgi-extension='.cgi'

(BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - I get the
same problem. )

As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).

However, if I run the following by hand:

	   /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2

I get 

	Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
	(Reconfigure to take 0?)

I.e., the wrapper here seems to understand that gid of 12 is required, 
but it is getting 0 (because I ran this as root from the command line
?).

My sendmail.cf contains the following:
	   O DefaultUser=8:12

My /etc/group file contains:
	   mail::12:mail


Also: 
      ls -al /etc/smrsh/wrapper
      lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           33 Aug  8  2000 /etc/smrsh/wrapper -> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

Any help *deeply* appreciated :-)

Pete


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From tking at isac.org  Fri Mar  2 16:49:00 2001
From: tking at isac.org (Tony King)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001  9:49 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Verizon Wireless Corporation
Message-ID: <20010302100358294-3c1c808@isac.org>

     Is there anyone out there with Verizon Wireless Corporation?
     
     Tony King
     IDAPP
     800-961-4327



From kenn.martin at domino-uk.com  Fri Mar  2 17:00:59 2001
From: kenn.martin at domino-uk.com (Martin, Kenn)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:00:59 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not adding message to archive
Message-ID: <AFE42ABDA53DD2118F5200805FE6378281F533@DUK-MAILBOX>

I have Mailman set-up with mHonarc as the external archiver. When I send the
list a message I get back a messages saying it has been posted and a copy of
the message because I'm on the list but the messages doesn't get added to
the archive.

The entry for PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER in mm_cfg.py is:
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = """mkdir -p
/home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname
)s;/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /home/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s
-id
xfname index.html -nosaveresources -rcfile /home/mailman/mhonarc.mrc
-reverse"""

The same entry is used for PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER 

I can get the message added by running the following home made script
rm -rf /home/mailman/archives/private/$1
mkdir -p /home/mailman/archives/private/$1
/usr/bin/mhonarc /home/mailman/archives/private/$1.mbox/$1.mbox -outdir
/home/ma
ilman/archives/private/$1 -idxfname index.html -nosaveresources -rcfile
/home/ma
ilman/mhonarc.mrc
chmod -R 755 /home/mailman/archives/private/$1

How come the messages don't get added to the archive when they arrive??

Kenn

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From Silvia at csdanet.org  Fri Mar  2 19:43:54 2001
From: Silvia at csdanet.org (Silvia Ortiz)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:43:54 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation?
Message-ID: <9120C3C28E32D411B44A0050DA1BC1F41E15BF@LAURA>

I tried to install mailman, but I couldn't. 
Does some one can tell me wich ones are the steps that I have to follow.
But for dummies please! 
I do not know much about technical issues.

Silvia Ortiz
Business Development Director
CSDA / CEDSA
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Suite 403
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Tel. (202) 588-0155  Fax (202) 588-0756
silvia at csdanet.org, silvia at cdmonline.org
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From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Fri Mar  2 22:32:47 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 02 Mar 2001 16:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with subscriptioin confirmation html
Message-ID: <200103022132.QAA04653@storm.nando.net>

Hi, I am having a problem with the subscription confirmation page.

We edited the html for the confirmation page using the widget in the
admin interface.  The problem is that when the actual html is generated
(when you subscribe) it inserts extra html tags at the top and bottom of
the page.  We need to change the <head> tags, so just deleting them from
the interface is not an option for us.  I have copied and pasted the
page below.

Thanks,

Neil Cooler

<HTML>
<HEAD>
</HEAD>
<BODY
<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">
<!-- $Revision: 1.4 $ -->
<html>
<head><title>News Subscription results</title></head>
<style>
A:link   {color: black; text-decoration: none; font-family: verdana,
arial}
A:visited {color: black; text-decoration: none; font-family: verdana,
arial}     
A:active {color: red}   
A:hover  {color: red}
A:URL    {text-decoration: none}
font  {color: black; text-decoration: none; font-family: verdana, arial}
td    {text-decoration: none; font-size: 11px; font-family: verdana,
arial}
</style>
<body bgcolor="white"
background="http://www.sportserver.com/widgets/racing/racingserver/layout4bkgd.gif">
<IMG
SRC="http://www.sportserver.com/widgets/racing/racingserver/shim.gif"
WIDTH="5" HEIGHT="20" BORDER="0">






From yua at artlover.com  Fri Mar  2 23:26:08 2001
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:26:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] want archival enhancement
Message-ID: <IEEILAPLNJHNOBJJALJJIENKCGAA.yua@artlover.com>

Hello,

Can anyone tell me how to hook the archival with an external archivers so
I'll have

  o be able to show HTML mails
  o be able to download the attachments

Sorry, I'm not on the list.  Please send personal e-mail to me.  Thanks!

Alex






From rvn at forth.com  Fri Mar  2 23:38:10 2001
From: rvn at forth.com (Rick VanNorman)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:38:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and OpenBSD
Message-ID: <200103021438100640.00E9844B@neverslow.com>

Does anyone have Mailman running on OpenBSD 2.8 with postfix 
for their mta?

I've been trying without success to get such a combination
up and running :(

Thanks,
Rick VanNorman




From marcello.pavan at triumf.ca  Sat Mar  3 04:02:19 2001
From: marcello.pavan at triumf.ca (Marcello M. Pavan)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:02:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one attach figures to messages ??
Message-ID: <3AA05EBB.7020006@triumf.ca>

Greetings

We are considering using Mailman to organize and archive
the blizzard of email messages that our group passes amongst
one another.  We are a subatomic physics group where some of
our collaborators are in Europe, the US, etc.

I have a couple of quesitons that  I could not find the answers to
after a half-hour or so on your website:

One thing that absolutely we require is the ability to send figure 
attachments (usually Postscript).  Another thing is that we would really
like to be able to find old messages with a keyword search.

Can Mailman handle Postscript figure attachments and searching through
archives ?  If so, I think you'll get another pile of users.

Looking forward to your reply.

with best regards,
dr marcello pavan




From barry at digicool.com  Sat Mar  3 06:14:30 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove badly formed email address from list
References: <1777108188.981029651@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <15008.32182.877080.743228@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RW" == Rachel Willmer <rachel at intertrader.com> writes:

    RW> I've got a user on one of my lists who's subscribed himself
    RW> with the email address with a form of "myname at home"@isp.co.uk.

    RW> Of course, this address is completely undeliverable, and every
    RW> mail out to the list bounces. So I'd like to remove this
    RW> guy. But I can't figure out how!

    RW> If I deselect him from the web interface, mailman complains
    RW> that the user doesn't exist. Same if I try it via the mail
    RW> interface.

    RW> I've tried every combination of quotes and escapes I can think
    RW> of.

    RW> So any ideas, anyone?

This is definitely a bug in Mailman.  It will be fixed in 2.1.  Until
then, using the command line interface is the only way to remove the
address.

-Barry



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Sat Mar  3 07:40:06 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:40:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103020332290.18302-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

I've just set up sendmail to handle virtual domains, all of which 
appears to be working well. My next project is to get some of my
lists moved to different domains on the same server.  From recent
discussion here, it sounds like the cleanest setup would be to use
a completely separate mailman installation for each domain.

If I set the install options (--prefix, --with-username, and
--with-groupname) properly for each installation, it looks like 
this should be pretty simple to set up.

The only "gotcha" I've found is what to do with list archives.
The INSTALL document (BTW, one of the best I've seen for any 
Linux application!) says to set a web server alias like so:

Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

If I look in that directory, there are subdirectories named for
each of my current lists.  One of the things I'd like to do is
change my lists to more generic names like "announce" and "chat",
which would mean lists with the same name under different domains.

Is it possible to set up multiple instances of pipermail as well?
I can't find anything about this in the docs or online.

Also, are there any other obstacles I'm likely to encounter 
with a multiple-mailman setup?

Thanks,
  Dave Melton







From Administrator at PRC.oztime.com  Sat Mar  3 08:32:42 2001
From: Administrator at PRC.oztime.com (Administrator)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:32:42 +0800 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] xiao.bing is not here now, please don't sent this mail any more,
 thanks.
Message-ID: <6B23146C4E350349B4280C02CF6A6AA2034B86@mail.prc.oztime.com>

DR reasons are listed with each recipient, along with the notification
requested for that recipient,
or the precedence.

<xiao.bing at oztime.com> xiao.bing at oztime.com
	MSEXCH:IMS:oztime:PRC:MAIL 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient
	Precedence: bulk

The message that caused this notification was:


I've just set up sendmail to handle virtual domains, all of which 
appears to be working well. My next project is to get some of my
lists moved to different domains on the same server.  From recent
discussion here, it sounds like the cleanest setup would be to use
a completely separate mailman installation for each domain.

If I set the install options (--prefix, --with-username, and
--with-groupname) properly for each installation, it looks like 
this should be pretty simple to set up.

The only "gotcha" I've found is what to do with list archives.
The INSTALL document (BTW, one of the best I've seen for any 
Linux application!) says to set a web server alias like so:

Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

If I look in that directory, there are subdirectories named for
each of my current lists.  One of the things I'd like to do is
change my lists to more generic names like "announce" and "chat",
which would mean lists with the same name under different domains.

Is it possible to set up multiple instances of pipermail as well?
I can't find anything about this in the docs or online.

Also, are there any other obstacles I'm likely to encounter 
with a multiple-mailman setup?

Thanks,
  Dave Melton





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From barry at digicool.com  Sat Mar  3 09:26:35 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 03:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANNOUNCE Mailman 2.0.2 (important privacy patch)
Message-ID: <15008.43707.726965.293836@anthem.wooz.org>

I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0.2 release to SourceForge.  This is
a bug fix release that also fixes a potential privacy hole, which
could allow a list administrator to get access to user passwords.
Even with those passwords, I believe there's little additional harm
that a list admin could do, but still they probably shouldn't have
access to those passwords.

There are a few other important fixes in this release, so I recommend
that all sites running Mailman 2.0 or 2.0.1 should upgrade.

As usual I'm releasing this as both a complete tarball and as a patch
against Mailman 2.0.1.  If you grab the patchfile, you'll want to cd
into your 2.0 source, and apply it like so:

    % patch -p1 < mailman-2.0.1-2.0.2.diff

Currently only http://mailman.sourceforge.net is updated, but the
list.org and gnu.org sites should be updated soon.  The release
information on SF is at

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=25955

My thanks to Thomas Wouters for his help!

Enjoy,
-Barry

P.S. I'm not sure if I'll have time to release a 2.1 alpha of the I18N
stuff before I leave for the Python9 conference.  If we get the
expected foot of snow between Sunday and Monday, it's a
possibility. ;)


[From the NEWS file]

2.0.2 (03-Mar-2001)

    Security fix:

    - A fix for a potential privacy exploit where a clever list
      administrator could gain access to user passwords.  This doesn't
      allow them to do much more harm to the user then they normally
      could, but they still shouldn't have access to the passwords.

    Bug fixes:

    - In the admindb page, don't complain when approving a
      subscription of someone who's already on the list (SF bug
      #222409 - Thomas Wouters).

      Also, quote for HTML the Subject: text printed for held
      messages, otherwise messages with e.g. "Subject: </table>" could
      royally screw page formatting.

    - In Netscape.py bounce processor, don't bomb out on ill-formed
      messages (no semi-colon separating parameters), otherwise mail
      delivery could grind to a halt.  Bug reported by Kambiz
      Aghaiepour.

    - Docstring fix bin/newlist to remove mention of "immediate"
      argument (Thomas Wouters).

    - Fix for bin/update when PREFIX != VAR_PREFIX (SF bug #229794 --
      Thomas Wouters).



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Sat Mar  3 12:42:04 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 03:42:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple installations almost working
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103030248550.29569-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

First, thanks to Roger for the tip about setting up my VirtualHosts!

I've now got my second installation of Mailman almost working, with 
a username and group of "mailmana" (mailmanb and mailmanc will happen
as soon as I get the first one working).  The installation was no
problem, I was able to create a list (called chat), visit its new web
page, and subscribe a couple of test users.  The welcome messages 
were sent and everything looked good.  However, a message sent to 
chat at mydomain.com bounces with the following error:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/homes/mailmana/mail/wrapper post chat"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <chat at mydomain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Mailman error: post got bad listname: chat
554 5.3.0 "|/homes/mailmana/mail/wrapper post chat"... unknown mailer
error 1


This tells me that my sendmail configuration is getting the incoming
mail to the right script with the right listname, but for some reason
the post script can't tell that the list is there.

A "./bin/config_list -o- chat" and a "./bin/dumpdb lists/chat/config.db" 
work, and don't show any problem with host names or anything.  The web
page at www.mydomain/mailman/listinfo does show the list.

What do I do now???

Thanks again,
  Dave Melton





From m.lavy at jesus.cam.ac.uk  Sat Mar  3 15:20:14 2001
From: m.lavy at jesus.cam.ac.uk (m.lavy)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 14:20:14 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie problems?
Message-ID: <E14ZCtK-00025o-00@mercury.jesus.cam.ac.uk>

Hello, I run three separate Mailman servers (all low volume). Yesterday 
evening I encountered a weird problem with 2 of them:

It seemed as if (a) cookies had stopped working or (b) a strange permissions 
problem occurred because although I could log in to the admindb page for all 
my lists with no problem, an attempt to approve a vetoed message just 
returned me to the login screen. Likewise, an attempt to switch between the 
various admin pages led me straight back to the login, even though I could 
happily authenticate to each individually. 

The strange thing is that this happened only on 2 out of 3 machines, even 
though Mailman is configured identically on all. I do not think it is a 
webserver problem because the two machines run different software. Even more 
strangely, today everything is working fine! 

I'd be grateful for any thoughts. 

Matthew 

 --
Matthew M Lavy MA MPhil ARCM LTCL
Jesus College, Cambridge CB5 8BL 




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sat Mar  3 12:09:41 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:39:41 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one attach figures to messages ??
In-Reply-To: <3AA05EBB.7020006@triumf.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031638020.755-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Mar 2, 2001 at 19:02, Marcello M. Pavan wrote:

>Can Mailman handle Postscript figure attachments and searching through
>archives ?  If so, I think you'll get another pile of users.

Mailman can handle attachments. Mailman's archiver cannot search the
archived attachments. Lists can be archived, but I don't know if the
archives are searchable. You can have other programs do the searching,
as they're stored plain.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
OS/2: Obsolete Soon, Too




From michel at ziobudda.net  Sat Mar  3 16:43:26 2001
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:43:26 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, hide the sender
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031541120.1047-100000@miclaptop>

Hi, I have a popular mailinglist. This ML is archived into web. Now, the
html-page of (all) article contain "who" (email address) have sent the
mail in the (normal) format: name at domain.com. Is there a possibility to
transform name at domain.com into name(at)domain.com (or similar) ???

tnx in advance.


-- 
FERMI TUTTI: E' UNA RAPINA! NON GLI CREDONO E LO PICCHIANO.
(Dai Giornali)

--
Michel <ZioBudda> Morelli               michel at ziobudda.net

ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.linuxlab.it 




From michel at ziobudda.net  Sat Mar  3 16:48:30 2001
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:48:30 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, hide the sender
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031541120.1047-100000@miclaptop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031547560.1047-100000@miclaptop>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli wrote:
>Hi, I have a popular mailinglist. This ML is archived into web. Now, the
[snip]

Ops, I have forget to say that I use mailman 2.0.2 (today I have upgrade
from 1.1 with a make install)...

-- 
Meglio stare zitti dando l'impressione di essere stupidi, 
che parlare togliendo ogni dubbio.
--
Michel <ZioBudda> Morelli               michel at ziobudda.net

ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.linuxlab.it 




From barry at digicool.com  Sat Mar  3 18:08:18 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:08:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: ANNOUNCE Mailman 2.0.2 (important privacy patch)
References: <15008.43707.726965.293836@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <15009.9474.666986.317159@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <barry at digicool.com> writes:

    BAW> If you grab the patchfile, you'll want to cd into your 2.0
    BAW> source, and apply it like so:

    BAW>     % patch -p1 < mailman-2.0.1-2.0.2.diff

Two mistakes here (it was late last night :).

I originally uploaded a file called `mailman-2.0.2-2.0.1.diff' to
SourceForge.  I've just uploaded the same file under the correct
name, so either will work.

Second, please use "patch -p0 < mailman-2.0.1-2.0.2.diff" from inside
the source directory, otherwise you'll get lots of questions from
patch.

Sorry about that,
-Barry



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Sat Mar  3 19:27:52 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:27:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob2
Message-ID: <3AA145B8.11635.CE5327@localhost>

I forgot the abmin password of a list ... I have however the root one 
for the machine: how can i reset the admin password for one list 
other than destroying the list and resetting up ?

Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Sat Mar  3 19:27:52 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:27:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
Message-ID: <3AA145B8.25103.CE5309@localhost>

I set up a list, i did a mistake and so after one month all subscriber 
received their password valid to unsubscribe.
Since some user MUST NOT unsubscribe the list, there is a way 
to "change" the password for them (i have root access to the 
server) soi they cannot use the previous one to unsubscribe ?
 
Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Sat Mar  3 19:54:09 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:54:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob2: admn -severe- trouble
Message-ID: <3AA14BE1.29646.E66631@localhost>

I forgot the admin password of a list ... 
I have however the root one for the machine: how can I reset the 
admin password for one list other than destroying the list and 
resetting up ? 


Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Sat Mar  3 19:54:38 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:54:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
Message-ID: <3AA14BFE.19214.E6D839@localhost>

I set up a list, i did a mistake and so after one month all subscriber 
received their password valid to unsubscribe. 
Since some user MUST NOT unsubscribe the list, there is a way 
to "change" the password for them (I have root access to the 
server) so they cannot use the previous one to unsubscribe ?  
Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Mar  3 20:03:02 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:03:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple installations almost working
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103030248550.29569-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>
Message-ID: <3AA13FE5.12193BCF@pcraft.com>

Dave Melton wrote:

> I've now got my second installation of Mailman almost working, with
> a username and group of "mailmana" (mailmanb and mailmanc will happen
> as soon as I get the first one working).

 Any reason why you're using different UID.GID combinations, instead of the
default mailman.mailman?  I have mailman running on my server with three
different installations (under three different directories), and all of them
are running using mailman.mailman.  It's a lot easier and poses less
headaches as well.

 My List server:

 <mailman at battlezone:~> echo $HOME
 /usr/people/mailman

<mailman at battlezone:~> ls -lAF
total 20
-rwxr--r--   1 mailman  mailman    296 Feb  4 01:53 clear-locks*
drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman   4096 Jan 29 13:25 lists.diarist.net/
drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman   4096 Jan 29 13:52 lists.pcraft.net/
drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman   4096 Feb  4 02:11 lists.yeehaw.net/
drwxr-xr-x  13 mailman  mailman   4096 Feb  3 11:47 mailman-2.0/


 Each one of those 'lists.domain' combination is a separate installation of
mailman, running individual lists of their own.  All of them under
mailman.mailman.  All webpages for each individual list server goes to the
correct location under each installation.

 The mainman-2.0 directory is just the source, for future (re)installs.

 AMK4

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  |____________________________________________________________________
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .        3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  .................. .  .  .     .            Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Mar  3 20:04:30 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:04:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob2: admn -severe- trouble
References: <3AA14BE1.29646.E66631@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AA1403E.95014EEE@pcraft.com>

Leonardo Boselli wrote:

> I forgot the admin password of a list ...
> I have however the root one for the machine: how can I reset the
> admin password for one list other than destroying the list and
> resetting up ?

    Use your mmsitepass to get into the list and reset the password.

    AMK4

--
H | Hi, I'm currently out of my mind.  Please leave a message.  BEEEEP!
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .        3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  .................. .  .  .     .            Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From bob at nleaudio.com  Sat Mar  3 22:14:36 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 16:14:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber Names
References: <E14ZFP9-0001PG-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AA15EBC.45C33E64@nleaudio.com>

Is there any way Mailman can store the user's name along with their email address?

Is it perhaps possible to just add another field in the subscription part so that the administrator can get a better idea of who is subscribing?

Bob



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Sat Mar  3 23:30:17 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 14:30:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple installations almost working
In-Reply-To: <3AA13FE5.12193BCF@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031421250.2638-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

I guess I was just trying to keep things as separate as possible. I
can't think of a good reason not to set it up as you describe, and it
might work better that way.  The end result should be the same, since
the actual Mailman installations are still separate.

I still don't understand why, since PREFIX and VAR_PREFIX are both set 
to the /homes/mailmana, it doesn't look in $PREFIX/lists and find the
data for my list.

Now that I've figured out all the different things that need to be
configured, I may just reinstall under the same UID.GID.  It would be
cleaner, and just might work right for me.

Thanks!

- Dave


On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Dave Melton wrote:
> 
> > I've now got my second installation of Mailman almost working, with
> > a username and group of "mailmana" (mailmanb and mailmanc will happen
> > as soon as I get the first one working).
> 
>  Any reason why you're using different UID.GID combinations, instead of the
> default mailman.mailman?  I have mailman running on my server with three
> different installations (under three different directories), and all of them
> are running using mailman.mailman.  It's a lot easier and poses less
> headaches as well.
> 
>  My List server:
> 
>  <mailman at battlezone:~> echo $HOME
>  /usr/people/mailman
> 
> <mailman at battlezone:~> ls -lAF
> total 20
> -rwxr--r--   1 mailman  mailman    296 Feb  4 01:53 clear-locks*
> drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman   4096 Jan 29 13:25 lists.diarist.net/
> drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman   4096 Jan 29 13:52 lists.pcraft.net/
> drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman   4096 Feb  4 02:11 lists.yeehaw.net/
> drwxr-xr-x  13 mailman  mailman   4096 Feb  3 11:47 mailman-2.0/
> 
> 
>  Each one of those 'lists.domain' combination is a separate installation of
> mailman, running individual lists of their own.  All of them under
> mailman.mailman.  All webpages for each individual list server goes to the
> correct location under each installation.
> 
>  The mainman-2.0 directory is just the source, for future (re)installs.
> 
>  AMK4
> 
> --
> H | Hi, I'm currently out of my mind.  Please leave a message.  BEEEEP!
>   |____________________________________________________________________
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
>   http://www.pcraft.com                  .        3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
>   .................. .  .  .     .            Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From nathan at helpdesk.zaz.net  Sun Mar  4 06:37:22 2001
From: nathan at helpdesk.zaz.net (Nathan Grass)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:37:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber Names
Message-ID: <20010304053723.1C57636F9@sitemail.everyone.net>

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Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010303/1b2202fe/attachment.asc 

From nathan at helpdesk.zaz.net  Sun Mar  4 06:51:54 2001
From: nathan at helpdesk.zaz.net (Nathan Grass)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:51:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
Message-ID: <20010304055154.E3B023ECC@sitemail.everyone.net>

An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010303/fcd37632/attachment.pot 

From fholson at tcfreenet.org  Sun Mar  4 11:50:00 2001
From: fholson at tcfreenet.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:50:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber Names    
In-Reply-To: <200103041037.EAA55698@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10103040439120.54992-100000@tcfreenet.org>

>    Is there any way Mailman can store the user's name along with their
> email address?
> 
> Is it perhaps possible to just add another field in the subscription
> part so that the administrator can get a better idea of who is
> subscribing?

Having "real names" would be very handy.  I'm just moving my list to
mailman from a Listproc server which kept real names which were supplied
as required field in the email subscribe command.  I often found them
handy in searching for a subscriber, when they forgot what address they
were subscribed at etc etc.

I note that the Mailman developers wish list includes this feature.

It would be nice to have a few custom fields as well - for example,
subscribers zip code/country code or organization name.

Fred

--
Note that MN is also the country code for Mongolia...
Fred H. Olson  fholson at cohousing.org    Minneapolis,MN   55411
(612)588-9532  Amateur radio: WB0YQM          List manager of:
Cohousing-L and Nbhd-tc (Twin Cities Neighborhood issues list)





From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Sun Mar  4 12:50:14 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:50:14 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
References: <20010304055154.E3B023ECC@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <3AA22BF6.7EF12C52@uts.edu.au>


Nathan Grass wrote:

> As to this being impossible, the mailman web interface
> provides a very easy way to have mailman send you your
> password and this is not something you can disable per
> user.
> 

So disable it. Perhaps at the httpd level (ie block particular URLs), if
you want to do this
per-list. Disable the -request address as well, or wrap it with procmail
if you want to use it yourself for some reason. Problem solved. 

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From fholson at tcfreenet.org  Sun Mar  4 13:01:27 2001
From: fholson at tcfreenet.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:01:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Info email command limited to subscribers ??
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10103040450090.54992-100000@tcfreenet.org>

I'm moving my mailing list to Mailman and was thinking setting up an
email alias for the list's old address to which commands were sent to go
to:  cohousing-l-request at communityfourm.net?subject=info
to return the info message to people who send commands to the old
address.

However requesting info from a non subscribed address gets the
message:

***** info
>>>>> Private list: only members may see info.

Anyone know which Mailman configuration item controls this?

I dont think of my list as "private".  I have generally considered a list
private if permission is required to subscribe.  I do not have that set up
for cohousing-L.

It seems to me that the info command should be availabe to non users.

Alternately, anyone know of a free place to set up an auto responder?
(Which might be handy in general.)

Fred

--
Fred H. Olson  fholson at cohousing.org    Minneapolis,MN   55411
(612)588-9532  Amateur radio: WB0YQM          List manager of:
Cohousing-L and Nbhd-tc (Twin Cities Neighborhood issues list)





From LSF5 at PSU.Edu  Sun Mar  4 18:10:06 2001
From: LSF5 at PSU.Edu (Lee Samuel Finn)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly digests?
Message-ID: <3AA276DC.1A7DCDBE@PSU.Edu>

Greetings:

I have some lists that I want to force to come out as weekly - not daily
- digests. (This is for a weekly progress report distribution.) Is there
a way to adjust the digest frequency for some lists?

Thanks,

--
Lee Samuel Finn                         off: 814-863-9605
Associate Professor                     fax: 814-863-9608
Center for Gravitational Physics and Geometry
Departments of Physics, Astronomy and Astrophysics
The Pennsylvania State University




From fholson at tcfreenet.org  Sun Mar  4 18:19:29 2001
From: fholson at tcfreenet.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:19:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Info email command limited to subscribers ??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10103040450090.54992-100000@tcfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10103041112430.59579-100000@tcfreenet.org>

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Fred H Olson wrote:

> I'm moving my mailing list to Mailman and was thinking setting up an
> email alias for the list's old address to which commands were sent to go
> to:  cohousing-l-request at communityfourm.net?subject=info
> to return the info message to people who send commands to the old
> address.

Ooops, I got the mailto: URL of the form:
mailto:cohousing-l-request at communityfourm.net?subject=info
mixed up with an email address with a username something like
cohousing-l-info at communityfourm.net 
which effectively encodes the command in the address.  Since nothing of
the latter form exists in mailman for the info command a simple email
alias would not be possible...  Guess I did not get enough sleep last
night...

I still wonder about the:

> requesting info from a non subscribed address gets the message:
> 
> ***** info
> >>>>> Private list: only members may see info.
> 
> Anyone know which Mailman configuration item controls this?

Fred

--
Fred H. Olson  fholson at cohousing.org    Minneapolis,MN   55411
(612)588-9532  Amateur radio: WB0YQM          List manager of:
Cohousing-L and Nbhd-tc (Twin Cities Neighborhood issues list)




From deneb at unixwave.org  Sun Mar  4 22:33:30 2001
From: deneb at unixwave.org (Giorgio Zoppi)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:33:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, hide the sender
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031547560.1047-100000@miclaptop>; from michel@ziobudda.net on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 03:48:30PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031541120.1047-100000@miclaptop> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031547560.1047-100000@miclaptop>
Message-ID: <20010304223330.A1332@unixwave.org>

On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 03:48:30PM +0000, Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli wrote:
--> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli wrote:
--> >Hi, I have a popular mailinglist. This ML is archived into web. Now, the
--> [snip]
--> 
--> Ops, I have forget to say that I use mailman 2.0.2 (today I have upgrade
--> from 1.1 with a make install)...

use the option, hide the sender in Privacy Options.

bye,
deneb.




From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Mon Mar  5 00:17:52 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:17:52 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly digests?
References: <3AA276DC.1A7DCDBE@PSU.Edu>
Message-ID: <3AA2CD20.4F81366E@uts.edu.au>


Lee Samuel Finn wrote:
> 
> Greetings:
> 
> I have some lists that I want to force to come out as weekly - not daily
> - digests. (This is for a weekly progress report distribution.) Is there
> a way to adjust the digest frequency for some lists?
> 

Have you tried editing the crontab so teh digest stuff runs weekly
instead of daily? Let us know how it goes.

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Mon Mar  5 03:15:59 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:15:59 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect Headers
Message-ID: <3AA2F6DF.366D7CF9@uts.edu.au>

It seems that for one of my lists' monthly password reminders, mailman
is putting incorrect headers in, making it appear that the reminder is
coming from a different list.

The list whom this user is subscribed to is called 'researchnet',
whereas the headers are claiming that it is coming from the 'bacc' list.
This is interfering with mailman's bounce detection, and as a result the
bacc admin is receiving all these messages, and is understandably not
impressed.

I am including the relevant sections below. Has anyone experienced this
before? (or should this be addressed to the develepers' list?). Thank
you for any help.


>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:42:46 +1100 (EST)
>Message-Id: <200102281842.f1SIgkI07866 at tsbunix1.itd.uts.edu.au>
>Subject: listserv.uts.edu.au mailing list memberships reminder
>From: mailman-owner at listserv.uts.edu.au
>To: r.wiltshire at uts.edu.au
>X-No-Archive: yes
>X-Ack: no
>Sender: bacc-admin at listserv.uts.edu.au
>Errors-To: bacc-admin at listserv.uts.edu.au
>X-BeenThere: bacc at listserv.uts.edu.au
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0
>Precedence: bulk
>
>This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
>listserv.uts.edu.au mailing list memberships.  It includes your

 [snip]

>
>If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
>mailman-owner at listserv.uts.edu.au.  Thanks!
>
>Passwords for r.wiltshire at uts.edu.au:
>
>List                                     Password // URL
>----                                     --------
>researchnet at listserv.uts.edu.au          xxxxxx
>http://listserv.uts.edu.au/mailman/options/researchnet/r.wiltshire%40uts.ed 
>u.au


-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From michel at ziobudda.net  Mon Mar  5 10:15:48 2001
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:15:48 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, hide the sender
In-Reply-To: <20010304223330.A1332@unixwave.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103050914510.1059-100000@miclaptop>

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Giorgio Zoppi wrote:
>use the option, hide the sender in Privacy Options.

no, because If I set it all mail come from php-it-admin.. I need it only
for HTML version...

-- 
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(Giornale di Sicilia, 1998)

--
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ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.linuxlab.it 




From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Mar  5 10:54:40 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:54:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can one attach figures to messages ?? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Marcello M. Pavan" <marcello.pavan@triumf.ca>
   of "Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:02:19 PST." <3AA05EBB.7020006@triumf.ca> 
Message-ID: <E14ZrhQ-0001GW-00@rioja.localnet>

marcello.pavan at triumf.ca said:
> One thing that absolutely we require is the ability to send figure
> attachments (usually Postscript).  

Mailman allows attachments (of any type) through to the list.  There is 
a parameter specifying a size limit, which you may wish to change 
(Administrator web pages, General Options, "Maximum length in Kb of a 
message body. Use 0 for no limit."

However the archiver may give you problems....

> Another thing is that we would
> really like to be able to find old messages with a keyword search. 

The basic mailman archiver has no search facilities.  There are patches 
to integrate htdig into it - see the patch archive on sourceforge.

However the archiver has one major drawback for the application you 
describe - it is not MIME aware and attachments sent to the list will 
appear inline as an ascii mess.  If you want to use Mailman as the 
mailing list manager, then I would strongly suggest using a different 
archiver, such as MHonArc.
  http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html

There have been discussions about using MHonArc in the past, and a 
number of people are using it as their main archiver, so I would 
strongly suggest its use if pipermail (the internal archiver) is not 
suitable for you, however I do not use it myself.  You also need an 
additional indexer.

Would any of the list people using MHonArc like to produce a doc 
fragment on integration with Mailman and indexing etc.

An alternative would be to run Mailman with a MIME content stripper and 
not archive the postscript.  I am also working on a Mailman prefilter 
which strips MIME and makes the attachments available as URLs on the 
mailing list machine - I have a working version of this in perl but its 
dog slow.... the rewrite in in progress.

	Nigel.

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From deneb at penguin.it  Mon Mar  5 12:11:06 2001
From: deneb at penguin.it (Giorgio Zoppi)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:11:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, hide the sender
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103050914510.1059-100000@miclaptop>
Message-ID: <3AA3744A.1E41839F@penguin.it>

Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli wrote:

>
> no, because If I set it all mail come from php-it-admin.. I need it only
> for HTML version...
>

You have to modify the code.





From michel at ziobudda.net  Mon Mar  5 13:13:09 2001
From: michel at ziobudda.net (Michel 'ZioBudda' Morelli)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:13:09 +0000 (/etc/localtime)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi, hide the sender
In-Reply-To: <3AA3744A.1E41839F@penguin.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103051212490.3224-100000@miclaptop>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Giorgio Zoppi wrote:
>You have to modify the code.

ok, tnx...
do not know where? or the file.py?


-- 
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(di Davide "Gatto Feroce" Inglima)
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ICQ UIN: 58351764                       PR of Linux in Italy
http://www.ziobudda.net                 http://www.linuxlab.it 




From david at idiomatrix.com  Mon Mar  5 13:54:45 2001
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem adding user in different subdomain
Message-ID: <B6C8F6C5.2FC%david@idiomatrix.com>

I need to subscribe two different addresses for a few of my list subscribers
and I'm having some difficulties. An example, I need to add both the
following addresses to a list:

user at domain.com
user at io.domain.com

When I attempt to do this, mailman tells me the IO address is "already a
member" though it does not appear on the list of subscribers. Furthermore,
the list rejects posts from the IO address with "user unknown."

I'm running version 2.01

Are there any workarounds?

Please reply directly as I get the list as a digest...

/david

--
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shoreham, vt    |   who needs Windows or Gates?




From stb-mm at spline.de  Mon Mar  5 14:40:00 2001
From: stb-mm at spline.de (Stephan Berndts)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:40:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
In-Reply-To: <20010304055154.E3B023ECC@sitemail.everyone.net>; from nathan@helpdesk.zaz.net on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:51:54PM -0800
References: <20010304055154.E3B023ECC@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <20010305144000.A31368@uff.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de>

Hi!

On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:51:54PM -0800, Nathan Grass wrote:
> I run a list where some members are REQUIRED to be on the
> list to meet requirements of a group that exists "outside"
> of that list.  The best way you can deal with your problem
> (as I have had to with both Majordomo and Mailman) is to
> just be sure you GET all subscription notices. You will be
> able to see when they remove themselves.

I had had the same problem. My solution was to write a small
script which checks once a week whether all people that have
to be subscribed to that list are subscribed or not.
(Subscribing them if necessary ...) OK, my solution needs
access to the list-server, but maybe it is even possible
without.

Stephan
-- 
The more I hear, the less I know



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Mon Mar  5 15:02:57 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:02:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
In-Reply-To: <20010305144000.A31368@uff.spline.inf.fu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103051500490.7275-100000@dipolo.dicea.unifi.it>

It is a solution, but it is not acceptable in my case:
The addresses that are in the list are actually other 4 lists.
If i just check once a week to see if all the 4 lists are still subscribed
it is possible that someone unsubscribed and by the time the daemon
regognized the unsubscription, some message sent to the list is lost for
one group .... 

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Stephan Berndts wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:51:54PM -0800, Nathan Grass wrote:
> > I run a list where some members are REQUIRED to be on the
> > list to meet requirements of a group that exists "outside"
> > of that list.  The best way you can deal with your problem
> > (as I have had to with both Majordomo and Mailman) is to
> > just be sure you GET all subscription notices. You will be
> > able to see when they remove themselves.
> 
> I had had the same problem. My solution was to write a small
> script which checks once a week whether all people that have
> to be subscribed to that list are subscribed or not.
> (Subscribing them if necessary ...) OK, my solution needs
> access to the list-server, but maybe it is even possible
> without.
> 
> Stephan
> -- 
> The more I hear, the less I know
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From webmaster at isu.edu  Mon Mar  5 16:06:12 2001
From: webmaster at isu.edu (Webmaster)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:06:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Install to latest
Message-ID: <3AA3AB64.EF052227@isu.edu>

I have Mailman 2.0, would it be fine to install the patch  Mailman 2.02
or do I first have to install Mailman 2.0.1

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From thomas at xs4all.net  Mon Mar  5 16:24:05 2001
From: thomas at xs4all.net (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:24:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Install to latest
In-Reply-To: <3AA3AB64.EF052227@isu.edu>; from webmaster@isu.edu on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 08:06:12AM -0700
References: <3AA3AB64.EF052227@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20010305162405.Y9678@xs4all.nl>

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 08:06:12AM -0700, Webmaster wrote:
> I have Mailman 2.0, would it be fine to install the patch  Mailman 2.02
> or do I first have to install Mailman 2.0.1

The patch is from Mailman 2.0.1 to 2.0.2, so you need to apply the 2.0.1
patch first.

-- 
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From kassoe at direction.dk  Mon Mar  5 16:38:28 2001
From: kassoe at direction.dk (Direction - Bjorn Kassoe Andersen)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:38:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Cobalt Qube3?
Message-ID: <024501c0a58a$55259490$0100a8c0@directionpc>

Will Mailman run on a machine like this?
http://emea.cobalt.com/products/pdfs/datasheet.qube3.pdf

Which version would I need?

I've mainly worked with content, sorry if this is a trivial technical question.


Regards

Bjorn Kassoe Andersen
kassoe at direction.dk - www.direction.dk
Phone: +45 75 77 03 30
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Mar  5 19:09:24 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:09:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prob1: How to disble unsubscribe for some users
In-Reply-To: <3AA145B8.25103.CE5309@localhost>; from leo@dicea.unifi.it on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 07:27:52PM +0100
References: <3AA145B8.11635.CE5327@localhost> <3AA145B8.25103.CE5309@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010305100924.K31445@magic.merlins.org>

On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 07:27:52PM +0100, Leonardo Boselli wrote:
> I set up a list, i did a mistake and so after one month all subscriber 
> received their password valid to unsubscribe.
> Since some user MUST NOT unsubscribe the list, there is a way 
> to "change" the password for them (i have root access to the 
> server) soi they cannot use the previous one to unsubscribe ?

Mailing passwords on a monthly basis is an option in the list config.`
If you want to Email none of the passwords on any list, you can disable the
monthly reminder cron job.

On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 07:27:52PM +0100, Leonardo Boselli wrote:
> I forgot the abmin password of a list ... I have however the root one 
> for the machine: how can i reset the admin password for one list 
> other than destroying the list and resetting up ?

~mailman/bin/mmsitepass

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From margy at gurus.com  Mon Mar  5 19:15:06 2001
From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:15:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing list manager addresses
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010305131413.00be6350@imap.iecc.com>

Can anyone tell me what happens if a list manager address starts bouncing? 
We currently use ListProc, which can get into horrible mail loops when a 
manager address bounces. I can try an experiment, but I'd rather find out 
ahead of time if the results will be ugly!

Margy Levine Young <margy at gurus.com>
Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" <http://net.gurus.com> and "Poor
Richard's Building Online Communities" <http://www.topfloor.com>. Looking
for kids' videos? Check out <http://www.greattapes.com>




From graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz  Mon Mar  5 20:44:09 2001
From: graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Guttocks?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:44:09 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman admin messages missing "Date:" header
Message-ID: <20010305194409.85024.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

I've just installed MailMan 2.0.1 on my mail server (running qmail
with the fastforward /etc/aliases compatibility package).  My list
aliases look like this:

test-list at domain.dom:           "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
test-list"
test-list-admin at domain.dom:     "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailowner test-list"
test-list-request at domain.dom:   "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd test-list"
test-list-owner at domain.dom:     test-list-admin at domain.dom

The problem is that the admin messages sent out by MailMan lack a
"Date:" header.  Examples are responses to "list-request" and the new
subscriber message.

For example,

        From: test-list-request at domain.dom
        Subject: Mailman results for test-list
        To: graham_guttocks at yahoo.co.nz

The message doesn't include a "Date:" header is produced which seems
strange to me.  Any qmail users out there have this problem?

Regards,
Graham

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From sboger1 at home.com  Mon Mar  5 21:27:32 2001
From: sboger1 at home.com (Steven Boger)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:27:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
Message-ID: <COEEJHOMOJEOAPGEFJCLKEBECAAA.sboger1@home.com>

Hello!

I have looked through the archives, and never found a definate answer to
this one.

My company just changed its email address - our internal mailing lists -
totaling over 1000 email addresses need to changed to reflect this new
address.....

How would I do this? This is basically what I need to change:
old: yadda at company.com
new: yadda at corp.company.com

any help would be appreciated.

-Steven





From wshaw at organic.com  Mon Mar  5 23:13:27 2001
From: wshaw at organic.com (Billy Shaw)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 14:13:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
References: <COEEJHOMOJEOAPGEFJCLKEBECAAA.sboger1@home.com>
Message-ID: <3AA40F87.464CD348@organic.com>

Try using sed on your aliases file.

sed 's/@company.com/@corp.company.com/g' aliases > aliases.new

readn aliases.new and make sure it happened the way you want. then put it
into
production.

Billy-


Steven Boger wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I have looked through the archives, and never found a definate answer to
> this one.
>
> My company just changed its email address - our internal mailing lists -
> totaling over 1000 email addresses need to changed to reflect this new
> address.....
>
> How would I do this? This is basically what I need to change:
> old: yadda at company.com
> new: yadda at corp.company.com
>
> any help would be appreciated.
>
> -Steven
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Mon Mar  5 23:22:40 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:22:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
Message-ID: <200103052220.OAA23651@utopia.west.sun.com>

I think he meant "with Mailman", hence the reason for asking it
here on mailman-users; if Mailman has an "aliases" file, it's news
to me.

Easiest thing I can think of is to hack something up to run with
bin/withlist, but changing addresses is difficult, as the address
is the "key" to look up information rather than a data field;
you'd need to find all the objects that are keyed by name and
copy them to a new record and then delete the old one.


> Try using sed on your aliases file.
> 
> sed 's/@company.com/@corp.company.com/g' aliases > aliases.new
> 
> readn aliases.new and make sure it happened the way you want. then put it
> into
> production.
> 
> Billy-
> 
> 
> Steven Boger wrote:
> 
> > Hello!
> >
> > I have looked through the archives, and never found a definate answer to
> > this one.
> >
> > My company just changed its email address - our internal mailing lists -
> > totaling over 1000 email addresses need to changed to reflect this new
> > address.....
> >
> > How would I do this? This is basically what I need to change:
> > old: yadda at company.com
> > new: yadda at corp.company.com
> >
> > any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > -Steven
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From sboger1 at home.com  Mon Mar  5 23:53:57 2001
From: sboger1 at home.com (Steven Boger)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:53:57 -0800
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
Message-ID: <COEEJHOMOJEOAPGEFJCLOEBFCAAA.sboger1@home.com>

unbelieveable....  this wont work:

clone list member at company.com member at corp.company.com

it says the person is alreay a member!

-S




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 00:05:26 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
References: <200103052220.OAA23651@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3AA41BB6.7505CF89@pcraft.com>

Dan Mick wrote:

> I think he meant "with Mailman", hence the reason for asking it
> here on mailman-users; if Mailman has an "aliases" file, it's news
> to me.
>
> > Try using sed on your aliases file.
> > sed 's/@company.com/@corp.company.com/g' aliases > aliases.new
> > readn aliases.new and make sure it happened the way you want. then put it
> into production.

 However, he can still use that approach to change the email addresses:

  1) list_members list_name > aliases
  2) sed 's/@company.com/@corp.company.com/g' aliases > aliases.new
  3) sync_members -f aliases.new list_name

 AMK4

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 00:12:31 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:12:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
References: <200103052220.OAA23651@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3AA41D5F.DABAE9DF@pcraft.com>

I wrote:

> However, he can still use that approach to change the email addresses:
>
>  1) list_members list_name > aliases
>  2) sed 's/@company.com/@corp.company.com/g' aliases > aliases.new
>  3) sync_members -f aliases.new list_name
>
> AMK4

	I forgot, I would also add the -w=no and -a=no arguments to the
sync_members command, unless you want everyone to receive a welcome
message (again) and the list_admin receive all the un/subscribe messages
as well.  (No one has ever figured this out, right?  When mass
un/subscribing is being done, send the list admin ONE message listing
all that have un/subscribed, as opposed to sending one for each and
every user)

	AMK4

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  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
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From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Tue Mar  6 00:31:00 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:31:00 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
References: <COEEJHOMOJEOAPGEFJCLKEBECAAA.sboger1@home.com>
Message-ID: <3AA421B4.8E0C9522@uts.edu.au>

Steven Boger wrote:

> My company just changed its email address - our internal mailing lists -
> totaling over 1000 email addresses need to changed to reflect this new
> address.....
> 
> How would I do this? This is basically what I need to change:
> old: yadda at company.com
> new: yadda at corp.company.com
> 

You can use configlist -o - listname | sed s/foo/bar/ | configlist -i -
listname.

This changes all the list config over to the new hostname. You can use
similar commands to change the members over (list_members into a file,
then remove_members, sed the file, then add_members)

Wish someone had told me all this before I had to move ~100 lists to a
new host. What we did was messy.

HTH.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 00:35:32 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:35:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing EVERY member EMAIL ADDRESS?
References: <COEEJHOMOJEOAPGEFJCLKEBECAAA.sboger1@home.com> <3AA421B4.8E0C9522@uts.edu.au>
Message-ID: <3AA422C4.CE105704@pcraft.com>

Teo de Hesselle wrote:

> (list_members into a file,
> then remove_members, sed the file, then add_members)

    No need to remove and re-add.  That's what sync_members is for.

    AMK4

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From orion at deathcon.com  Tue Mar  6 02:45:16 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:45:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving servers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103051734570.30649-100000@pirk.com>

I saw a message in the archives about moving a mailman server,
and the instructions were to move all of the list(s), and then
reconfigure the defaults to point to the new webserver.

I will be moving the webserver part also (basically moving everything
to a bigger server), so the piece I seem to be missing is:
Exacly what files need to move for a given list? I have found the
/home/mailman/lists/listname directories, but I was wondering if
any other files need to move also (I do not want to move the mailman
code, because I upgraded to 2.0.2 from 2.0beta5).

Any suggestions? The list I am most concerned about moving has 6
months of archives, and over 100 members. I am very concerned about
breaking something :-)

Thanks in advance for any help.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 





From barry at digicool.com  Tue Mar  6 08:01:43 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:01:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman Install to latest
References: <3AA3AB64.EF052227@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <15012.35671.154322.887581@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "W" == Webmaster  <webmaster at isu.edu> writes:

    W> I have Mailman 2.0, would it be fine to install the patch
    W> Mailman 2.02 or do I first have to install Mailman 2.0.1

If you upgrade using the source tarball, it's fine to go straight to
2.0.2.  If you are patching, you must apply the 2.0.1 patch before
applying the 2.0.2 patch.

-Barry




From manojit at mymcomm.com  Tue Mar  6 08:25:41 2001
From: manojit at mymcomm.com (Manojit Saha)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:55:41 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem
Message-ID: <00a101c0a60e$a9ba84a0$7d00a8c0@mymcomm.com>

1.How can I show all the lists available in my server to a user?
2.How the option under Privacy options "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine? (Details)" is implemented?

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From geopilgrim at prodigy.net  Tue Mar  6 09:48:03 2001
From: geopilgrim at prodigy.net (Tomas Belcik)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 01:48:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confused!
Message-ID: <00e801c0a61a$2b994780$b736fd3f@rmi.net>

NoMonthlyFees.com, the host of my website suddenly switched to the Mailman list software. Although I appreciate some of the features, web interface for users as well as administrators, I did have a list that worked with a simple "subscribe" unsubscribe" email messages, no password powered confirmations and I would like to still run the same - can I do it??? Also I don't want to go through having to enter an entire list of subscribers and have them all confirm subscription with passwords and annoy them this way all over again - is there a way???
Thank you!
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From david at idiomatrix.com  Tue Mar  6 12:50:21 2001
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 06:50:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1067 - 16 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E14aD4c-0002fa-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B6CA392D.3DC%david@idiomatrix.com>

on 3/6/01 3:44 AM, mailman-users-request at python.org at
mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:

unbelieveable....  this wont work:

clone list member at company.com member at corp.company.com

it says the person is alreay a member!

Actually I just went through a similar issue and someone was kind enough to
show me a fix (Sorry that I've already deleted his reply so I can't thank
him by name publicly).

In your mm_cfg.py you need to add one line to turn off smart addressing:

SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 0

(the default is "1") By adding that, you're allowed to subscribe both of the
addresses above. This MAY allow you to do what you want to do.



/david

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From efernandezor at antena3tv.es  Tue Mar  6 12:36:19 2001
From: efernandezor at antena3tv.es (efernandezor at antena3tv.es)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi.
Message-ID: <OF41DE94E9.29D868EB-ONC1256A07.003F5E33@antena3tv.es>



From pete at smtl.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 15:17:18 2001
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:17:18 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still looking for help with wrapper problem.
Message-ID: <200103061417.OAA14943@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

Hi 

I haven't had any replies to my post from last Friday (enclosed at
end). Is there something straightforward I have missed ?  Any help
greatly appreciated.

Pete
-----------------------------------------
Hi

I too am experiencing problems with 2.0.1 mailman and the wrapper GID
problem. Enclosed below are, hopefully, enough snippets for someone to
solve the problem.

Firstly - yes, I have followed the INSTALL (as I understand it), read
the FAQ, searched the python.org archives, and searched all of this
years mailman digests.

Anyway...

        Platform:  Red Hat Linux 6.0 , Kernel 2.2.17 on an i686
        Mailman: 2.0.1        MTA: sendmail-8.11.0

On sending the confirmation reply to a subscription request, I get the 
following in my sendmail log:

        Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
        script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)

Here is my configuration line:

        ./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
        --exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
        --with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
        --with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib 
        --with-mail-gid='mail'
        --with-cgi-gid='nobody' 
        --with-cgi-extension='.cgi'

(BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - I get the
same problem. )

As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).


However, if I run the following by hand:

           /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2

I get 

        Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
        (Reconfigure to take 0?)

I.e., the wrapper here seems to understand that gid of 12 is required, 
but it is getting 0 (because I ran this as root from the command line
?).

My sendmail.cf contains the following:
           O DefaultUser=8:12

My /etc/group file contains:
           mail::12:mail


Also: 
      ls -al /etc/smrsh/wrapper
      lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           33 Aug  8  2000 /etc/smrsh/wrapper 

- -> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

Any help *deeply* appreciated :-)

Pete

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From AndreaG at ComponentSource.com  Tue Mar  6 15:35:29 2001
From: AndreaG at ComponentSource.com (AndreaG at ComponentSource.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:35:29 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I advertise and event I am holding for developers?
Message-ID: <F0FCAFB7868CD311ACD10080C87EF0A201D9C5F9@INFOSTORE>


Kind Regards
Andrea Graham
ComponentSource
30 Greyfriars Road
Reading
Berks RG1 1PE
http://www.componentsource.com
Tel : +44 118 982 2102 Fax : +44 118 958 9999
The Definitive Source of Software Components





From zexley at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 17:35:37 2001
From: zexley at yahoo.com (Zack Exley)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:35:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

Where is there info about how to instal MailMan? I looked and looked and 
couldn't find any instructions.

-Zack


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From dave at dminor.com  Tue Mar  6 18:00:24 2001
From: dave at dminor.com (David Minor)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:00:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one list won't accept posts
Message-ID: <B6CA73C8.5E69%dave@dminor.com>

I have several lists working just fine.  I added a new list that will not
accept posts.  When I send a test post to it, the message just gets passed
through to the catchall account.  The mail log doesn't ever show
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" like it does on the working
lists. 

any thoughts?

David Minor




From craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 18:12:24 2001
From: craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk (Craig Savage)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:24 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python 2.0 / Exim
Message-ID: <0469F357271F424B865C12DDF4B7726B01BA3C@arioc.CD.REP>

Hi all,

Having a very vexing problem with getting my new list server running -

Can send mail from the web interface to subscribe users, gets to them
fine.
Users can't respond to that email.
Also can't post to the list.
Both generate the following error:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients.
The
following address(es) failed:

  newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com:
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
command:
    /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper

Any ideas?

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t. +44 (0)117 914 9420  |  m. +44 (0)7803 500740
f. +44 (0)117 914 9424  |  w. http://www.creativedigital.co.uk/


**************-------------------------------------------**************
The contents of this email and any attachments are the property of
Creative Digital and are intended for the confidential use of the named
recipient(s) only.  They may be legally privileged and should not be
communicated to or relied upon by any person without our express written
consent.  If you are not an addressee please notify us immediately at
the address below or by email at info at creativedigital.co.uk.
Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus
detection software before transmission.  However, you should carry out
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From craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 18:32:12 2001
From: craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk (Craig Savage)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:32:12 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python 2.0 / Exim
Message-ID: <0469F357271F424B865C12DDF4B7726B01BA3D@arioc.CD.REP>

Hi all, 

Having a very vexing problem with getting my new list server running - 

Can send mail from the web interface to subscribe users, gets to them
fine. 
Users can't respond to that email. 
Also can't post to the list. 
Both generate the following error: 

A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients.
The 
following address(es) failed: 
  newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com: 
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
command: 
    /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper 

Any ideas? 

-- 
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t. +44 (0)117 914 9420  |  m. +44 (0)7803 500740 
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**************-------------------------------------------************** 
The contents of this email and any attachments are the property of
Creative Digital and are intended for the confidential use of the named
recipient(s) only.  They may be legally privileged and should not be
communicated to or relied upon by any person without our express written
consent.  If you are not an addressee please notify us immediately at
the address below or by email at info at creativedigital.co.uk.
Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus
detection software before transmission.  However, you should carry out
your own virus check before opening any attachment.  Creative Digital
accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by
software viruses.
A list of partners' names can be inspected at all our offices. 
**************-------------------------------------------************** 



From orion at deathcon.com  Tue Mar  6 18:33:06 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python 2.0 /
 Exim
In-Reply-To: <0469F357271F424B865C12DDF4B7726B01BA3C@arioc.CD.REP>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103060927520.32438-100000@pirk.com>

Check the /home/mailman/logs/error file. I think you will see that
the wrappers failed because of "GID" problems (the group that mailman
runs as). Someone earlier posting the same kind of problem.

As far as I can tell, When it reports "wanted N, got N1", you need
to rebuild mailman (./configure --with-mail-gid=N1 where N1 is the
GID [group id]). I just built a new one last night, and for the life
of me, I cannot remember if I used N or N1 :-)

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Craig Savage wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Having a very vexing problem with getting my new list server running -
> 
> Can send mail from the web interface to subscribe users, gets to them
> fine.
> Users can't respond to that email.
> Also can't post to the list.
> Both generate the following error:
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients.
> The
> following address(es) failed:
> 
>   newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com:
>     Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
> command:
>     /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> --
> craig savage  |  systems administrator  |  creative digital ltd
> kenham house  |  wilder street  |  bristol  |  bs2 8pd
> t. +44 (0)117 914 9420  |  m. +44 (0)7803 500740
> f. +44 (0)117 914 9424  |  w. http://www.creativedigital.co.uk/
> 
> 
> **************-------------------------------------------**************
> The contents of this email and any attachments are the property of
> Creative Digital and are intended for the confidential use of the named
> recipient(s) only.  They may be legally privileged and should not be
> communicated to or relied upon by any person without our express written
> consent.  If you are not an addressee please notify us immediately at
> the address below or by email at info at creativedigital.co.uk.
> Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus
> detection software before transmission.  However, you should carry out
> your own virus check before opening any attachment.  Creative Digital
> accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by
> software viruses.
> A list of partners' names can be inspected at all our offices.
> **************-------------------------------------------**************
> 




From kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl  Tue Mar  6 19:12:29 2001
From: kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl (kotrach at encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:12:29 -0300 (CLST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More Errors ...
In-Reply-To: <42192.206.144.26.44.983460969.squirrel@miesmail.livsform.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061511000.7208-100000@encino.fdo-may.ubiobio.cl>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Stanton Schell wrote:

> First, don't try to run the wrapper from the shell, it is not designed to be done.  
> The first error message occurs because you are trying to run the wrapper as 
> root, which has a gid of 0.  when you recompile with gid 0 and then try to send 
> email to it, which will be gid 12, you are committing the same error in reverse.  
> Compile --with-mail-gid=12 and then send an email to it.
> 
> -stanton

I do that... now I have no errors back to my mail... but have no mail from
the list too...   can you imagine why it's happenning???


thanks




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 20:05:10 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AA534E5.E5B9CF1C@pcraft.com>

Zack Exley wrote:

> Where is there info about how to instal MailMan? I looked and looked and
> couldn't find any instructions.

    From the mailman tar ball:
        INSTALL
        README
        README.BSD
        README.EXIM
        README.LINUX
        README.NETSCAPE
        README.QMAIL
        README.SENDMAIL
        UPGRADING

    And there's this list.  What more do you want?

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From ckolar at aurora.edu  Tue Mar  6 20:13:43 2001
From: ckolar at aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
In-Reply-To: <3AA534E5.E5B9CF1C@pcraft.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu>

At 01:05 PM 3/6/2001, Ashley Kirchner wrote:
>Zack Exley wrote:
>
> > Where is there info about how to instal MailMan? I looked and looked and
> > couldn't find any instructions.
>
>     From the mailman tar ball:
>     [....]
>     And there's this list.  What more do you want?

He probably wants a copy of the tarball's install files on the web site, 
which is not an unreasonable expectation.  I run W2K on my office machine, 
so downloading and untarring stuff on my server still does not give me 
something that I can print right away.  I know this has been suggested 
before as a convenience measure.

--chris


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 20:16:52 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:16:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA537A4.7168ACA7@pcraft.com>

Christopher Kolar wrote:

> I run W2K on my office machine,
> so downloading and untarring stuff on my server still does not give me
> something that I can print right away.

    Why not?  I run Win98, I download, untar the file (through WinZip), open the
INSTALL files up in whatever word processor I have, and hit the print button.
What's wrong with that?

    AMK4

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  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
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From ckolar at aurora.edu  Tue Mar  6 20:27:47 2001
From: ckolar at aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:27:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
In-Reply-To: <3AA537A4.7168ACA7@pcraft.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306132015.03f5d778@mail.aurora.edu>

At 01:16 PM 3/6/2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>Christopher Kolar wrote:
>
> > I run W2K on my office machine,
> > so downloading and untarring stuff on my server still does not give me
> > something that I can print right away.
>
>     Why not?  I run Win98, I download, untar the file (through WinZip), 
> open the
>INSTALL files up in whatever word processor I have, and hit the print button.
>What's wrong with that?
>     AMK4

Nothing is wrong with that, but it is a question of user 
expectations.  When there is a link that says Installation the user expects 
information about installation, not about where to find the information 
about installation.  The most frequent question that I get from people 
grabbing the admin docs is asking about an online version of the install 
docs.  When I come across a site like this I want to get a quick idea of 
what I will required to do to get things up and running, so quick access to 
the install docs without having to bother with a tarball download and the 
above mentioned steps would be useful.  This seems like a simple web site 
usability issue that could be taken care of by a few links to the .txt files.

--chris




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 20:48:21 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:48:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010306132015.03f5d778@mail.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA53F05.54C031C2@pcraft.com>

Christopher Kolar wrote:

> When there is a link that says Installation the user expects
> information about installation, not about where to find the information
> about installation.

    Click on Installation, then look at the left menu, second section: Installing
Mailman.  Everything you ever wanted to know about it.

    AMK4

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA





From ckolar at aurora.edu  Tue Mar  6 21:09:15 2001
From: ckolar at aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:09:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
In-Reply-To: <3AA53F05.54C031C2@pcraft.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu>
 <5.0.2.1.2.20010306132015.03f5d778@mail.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306135902.03ed6230@mail.aurora.edu>

At 01:48 PM 3/6/2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>Christopher Kolar wrote:
>
> > When there is a link that says Installation the user expects
> > information about installation, not about where to find the information
> > about installation.
>
>     Click on Installation, then look at the left menu, second section: 
> Installing
>Mailman.  Everything you ever wanted to know about it.
>
>     AMK4

Oh, and I guess people aren't supposed to expect stupid answers to their 
stupid questions.

8)

--chris




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar  6 21:22:06 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:22:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com>
	 <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu>
	 <5.0.2.1.2.20010306132015.03f5d778@mail.aurora.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010306135902.03ed6230@mail.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <3AA546EE.2D0C97FF@pcraft.com>

Christopher Kolar wrote:

> Oh, and I guess people aren't supposed to expect stupid answers to their
> stupid questions.

    That depends on several variables.

    I will admit it's not very clear on the website where the instructions
are.  You click on one and get presented with, 'read this' and 'make sure you
read that too' comments.  Continuing links on there would've been nice, but oh
well.  I'm not in charge of the website.

    AMK4

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA

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From sweetsue at hell.com  Tue Mar  6 21:31:19 2001
From: sweetsue at hell.com (Susanne Bullo - Personal)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:31:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail
Message-ID: <04e401c0a67c$67fe2bc0$1769bed8@address.com>

I know this has been asked millions of times but the readme.qmail is less than helpful.  I run a linux redhat system utilizing qmail.  I need to have a clearer idea of what needs to be configured in order to have my lists work (I moved from a sendmail server to a qmail server).  I'm using the latest version of Mailman.

TYIA.

Susanne Bullo
Sweet Homes Web Services
http://www.sweethomes.com
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From sweetsue at hell.com  Tue Mar  6 21:42:55 2001
From: sweetsue at hell.com (Susanne Bullo - Personal)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:42:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail
Message-ID: <050c01c0a67e$07132840$1769bed8@address.com>

I know this has been asked millions of times but the readme.qmail is less
than helpful.  I run a linux redhat system utilizing qmail.  I need to have
a clearer idea of what needs to be configured in order to have my lists work
(I moved from a sendmail server to a qmail server).  I'm using the latest
version of Mailman.

TYIA.

Susanne Bullo
Sweet Homes Web Services
http://www.sweethomes.com




From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Tue Mar  6 22:45:44 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:45:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow, but enought
In-Reply-To: <E14ZrhQ-0001GW-00@rioja.localnet>
References: Message from "Marcello M. Pavan" <marcello.pavan@triumf.ca>   of "Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:02:19 PST." <3AA05EBB.7020006@triumf.ca> 
Message-ID: <3AA56898.12992.261721@localhost>

On 5 Mar 2001, at 9:54, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> not archive the postscript.  I am also working on a Mailman prefilter 
> which strips MIME and makes the attachments available as URLs on the 
> mailing list machine - I have a working version of this in perl but its 
> dog slow.... the rewrite in in progress.
It wopul be enought for my needs ..
Usually only a couple of these messages a week arrives, it would 
be enought that in the archive would be put a link so one can 
download the file ...

Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From anna at water.ca.gov  Tue Mar  6 23:46:28 2001
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Anna Fong)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:46:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help needed:  Mailman v1.1 doesn't recover lockfile
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20010306144628.00aab830@cdecware>

I have two lists running with Mailman.  One works, the other broke.  The
one that is broken seems not able to recover a lockfile.

I've sent a bug report to SourceForge but I need to get the list running
again ASAP.  

Has anyone seen this before?
----------------------------


Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/etc/mailman1.1/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/etc/mailman1.1/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/usr/local/etc/mailman1.1/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/etc/mailman1.1/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/local/etc/mailman1.1/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/usr/local/etc/mailman1.1/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
    os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
error: (2, 'No such file or directory')


---------------

Thanks in advance for your reply,
Anna


--------------------------------------------------------

Anna Q. Fong, Webmaster	
California Data Exchange Center	




From andrew at 2mx.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 23:37:45 2001
From: andrew at 2mx.co.uk (Andrew Pattison)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:37:45 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - "No such user here"
Message-ID: <01d101c0a68e$114f7240$0100a8c0@scully>

I get the error "no such user here" back in my email when I try to send mail
to the test list. I have done all the obvious stuff it says in all the
documentation I could find. Can anyone give me some pointers? I switched the
/etc/aliases hacking back on if this makes a difference.

Cheers

Andrew

Andrew J. Pattison
2mx.co.uk Web Design & Hosting
---------
+44 (0)1383 732840 or +44 (0)797 4564328
Fax: +44 (0)1383 730624




From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Tue Mar  6 23:55:59 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:55:59 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help - "No such user here"
References: <01d101c0a68e$114f7240$0100a8c0@scully>
Message-ID: <3AA56AFF.E4D0390C@uts.edu.au>


Andrew Pattison wrote:
> 
> I get the error "no such user here" back in my email when I try to send mail
> to the test list. I have done all the obvious stuff it says in all the
> documentation I could find. Can anyone give me some pointers? I switched the
> /etc/aliases hacking back on if this makes a difference.
> 

You havent set up your mail aliases properly. 

Did you forget to run "newaliases" by any chance?

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From hlstyron at wcrklaw.com  Wed Mar  7 01:19:31 2001
From: hlstyron at wcrklaw.com (Harry L. Styron)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:19:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Altering Message Footer
Message-ID: <001301c0a69c$48503960$128d80cc@wcrklaw.com>

Federal law will or does require information in mass mailings on how to
unsubscribe from lists.  Can the footer in Mailman be altered to include
text to conform with this requirement?

Thanks,

Harry Styron
hlstyron at wcrklaw.com




From reb at taco.com  Wed Mar  7 01:22:24 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 19:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Altering Message Footer
In-Reply-To: <001301c0a69c$48503960$128d80cc@wcrklaw.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306191608.02d42410@taco.com>

At 04:19 PM 3/6/2001 -0800, Harry L. Styron wrote:
>Federal law will or does require information in mass mailings on how to
>unsubscribe from lists.  Can the footer in Mailman be altered to include
>text to conform with this requirement

Yes.

http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

reb




From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Wed Mar  7 01:31:05 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 11:31:05 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Altering Message Footer
References: <001301c0a69c$48503960$128d80cc@wcrklaw.com>
Message-ID: <3AA58149.4ACFDACB@uts.edu.au>

It's in the headers of the message, as of mailman-2.0 and above.

Check the headers of this message.

"Harry L. Styron" wrote:
> 
> Federal law will or does require information in mass mailings on how to
> unsubscribe from lists.  Can the footer in Mailman be altered to include
> text to conform with this requirement?
> 

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Wed Mar  7 03:20:12 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:20:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple installations still having trouble
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103031421250.2638-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061800490.10639-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

A few days ago, I asked for ideas on a problem I'm having setting
up multiple installations on the same machine.  The one recommendation
I received was to set up all of the installations under the
"mailman.mailman" UID.GID, rather than creating separate users and
groups for each domain's installation.  I've now done that, and am 
having the same problem I had before.

The web interface works fine. I can subscribe people from the web,
they get the welcome message and I get the notification message.
But when I post to the list, it bounces with the following error:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Mailman error: post got bad listname: board
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/lists.erc/mail/wrapper post board"... unknown
mailer error 1


What I can tell from this is that the message was received, routed
to the correct script, and the script was able to execute.  For 
some reason, the "post" script can't tell that the list is there!

What the heck have I done wrong?

Thanks,
  Dave Melton




From vierita at hula.net  Tue Mar  6 20:29:58 2001
From: vierita at hula.net (vierita)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:29:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? about an error
Message-ID: <3AA53AB6.29F2CBC4@hula.net>

I have an error that pops up everytime I log in that says " Unable to
authenticate user"  I've checked to make sure that my ICQ account is the
UIN and not the nickname.   I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.  Thanks
for your help.


Vierita Moore




From doug at lathi.net  Wed Mar  7 06:39:50 2001
From: doug at lathi.net (Doug Alcorn)
Date: 07 Mar 2001 00:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer error tracebacks
Message-ID: <87ofvennmh.fsf@home.lathi.net>

I'm pretty new to Mailman, but have about half a dozen lists running.
I'm not actually the admin on all of them though; just the site admin.
Anyway, I keep getting this message in my logs/errors:

Mar 06 23:09:28 2001 (18944) Delivery exception: illegal argument type for built-in operation
Mar 06 23:09:28 2001 (18944) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 44, in process
    footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

I've manually gone through all the lists looking at the footers.  They
all _look_ ok to me.  Basically, my criteria for looking right is that
all the '%'s are followed by '(foo)s'.  I don't know python really at
all, so don't really grok the Decorate.py.  I did a little rooting
around and the offending line 44 seems OK.  Any suggestions?
-- 
(__) Doug Alcorn <doug at lathi.net> http://www.lathi.net chat:lathinet at yahoo|aol
oo / PGP 02B3 1E26 BCF2 9AAF 93F1  61D7 450C B264 3E63 D543
|_/  If you're a capitalist and you have the best goods and they're
     free, you don't have to proselytize, you just have to wait.



From salve at debian.org  Tue Mar  6 22:29:20 2001
From: salve at debian.org (Davide G. M. Salvetti)
Date: 06 Mar 2001 22:29:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] weekly digests?
In-Reply-To: <3AA2CD20.4F81366E@uts.edu.au> (Teo de Hesselle's message of "Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:17:52 +1100")
References: <3AA276DC.1A7DCDBE@PSU.Edu> <3AA2CD20.4F81366E@uts.edu.au>
Message-ID: <87lmqifuxb.fsf@hal.olympus.fake>

>>>>>  TdH == Teo de Hesselle [2001-3-5]

TdH> Lee Samuel Finn wrote:

>> Is there a way to adjust the digest frequency for some lists?
                                                     ^^^^

TdH> Have you tried editing the crontab so teh digest stuff runs weekly
TdH> instead of daily? Let us know how it goes.

I.e., you have to do multiple installations of Mailman if you want some
list digested weekly while keeping others daily, or do I miss something?

-- 
Davide Giovanni Maria Salvetti
W: http://www.linux.it/~salve/
OpenPGP (GPG) Key ID: 939686D5



From robo at antileague.com  Wed Mar  7 08:24:46 2001
From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:24:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stupidest question of all
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306132015.03f5d778@mail.aurora.edu>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010306113456.022f0b90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010306131007.03ed6f20@mail.aurora.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010306132015.03f5d778@mail.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <01030623291900.11758@league4l.listserv.ath.cx>

On Tue, 06 Mar 2001, Christopher Kolar wrote:
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with 100%...  I think it is quite a bother to
download a tarball, untar it, to then read the install notes to find i need to
take many addtional steps to even begin to untar the files again  ( and most
times in a different location) to make a install!! what is the time frame to
create a html printable version of the install docs ?? minutes ???
Rob


 > At 01:16 PM 3/6/2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > >Christopher Kolar wrote:
> >
> > > I run W2K on my office machine,
> > > so downloading and untarring stuff on my server still does not give me
> > > something that I can print right away.
> >
> >     Why not?  I run Win98, I download, untar the file (through WinZip), 
> > open the
> >INSTALL files up in whatever word processor I have, and hit the print button.
> >What's wrong with that?
> >     AMK4
> 
> Nothing is wrong with that, but it is a question of user 
> expectations.  When there is a link that says Installation the user expects 
> information about installation, not about where to find the information 
> about installation.  The most frequent question that I get from people 
> grabbing the admin docs is asking about an online version of the install 
> docs.  When I come across a site like this I want to get a quick idea of 
> what I will required to do to get things up and running, so quick access to 
> the install docs without having to bother with a tarball download and the 
> above mentioned steps would be useful.  This seems like a simple web site 
> usability issue that could be taken care of by a few links to the .txt files.
> 
> --chris
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 10:54:09 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:54:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow, but enought 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Leonardo Boselli" <leo@dicea.unifi.it> 
   of "Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:45:44 +0100." <3AA56898.12992.261721@localhost> 
Message-ID: <E14aae1-0000nW-00@rioja.localnet>

leo at dicea.unifi.it said:
> Usually only a couple of these messages a week arrives, it would  be
> enought that in the archive would be put a link so one can  download
> the file ... 

It runs upstream of the list receiver - and the startup time for that 
chunk of perl is basically horrific.
I am looking at a C rewrite, but thats in my copious spare time :-)

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From benoit.moeremans at net7.be  Wed Mar  7 11:36:32 2001
From: benoit.moeremans at net7.be (Benoit Moeremans)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:36:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove members
Message-ID: <017301c0a6f2$7b047500$fb9c79c1@pouet>

Hello,
i try to remove all members from a list with the command "./remove_members
nameofthelist", and doesn't work. Why and any idea to remove theses members?

Thnx
Benoit

Net7 Support Team - support at net7.be - 02/216.54.51
Member of the AdValvas Group





From craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 11:37:49 2001
From: craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk (Craig Savage)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:37:49 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python 2.0 / Exim
Message-ID: <0469F357271F424B865C12DDF4B7726B01BA42@arioc.CD.REP>

Hi,

Only logfile that exists in the mailman directory is smtp - with nothing
useful in it. Have checked the GID and UID's - both set to exim as per
the setup instructions for mailman on an exim mail server.

Any idea's how I can get more informative logging? Or what an exit code
2 indicates? I'm sure if I knew what it meant I'd be able to fix it...

Thanks
Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Teo de Hesselle [mailto:teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au]
Sent: 06 March 2001 22:59
To: Craig Savage
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python
2.0 / Exim


Check the logfiles. Then post the Relevant sections to the list.

BTW it means the mailman wrapper process is returning code 2 rather than
code 0 (success). I'm guessing you didnt set up the daemon UID correctly
when you configured mailman.

Craig Savage wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Having a very vexing problem with getting my new list server running -
> 
> Can send mail from the web interface to subscribe users, gets to them
> fine.
> Users can't respond to that email.
> Also can't post to the list.
> Both generate the following error:
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its
recipients.
> The
> following address(es) failed:
>   newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com:
>     Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
> command:
>     /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> --
> craig savage  |  systems administrator  |  creative digital ltd
> kenham house  |  wilder street  |  bristol  |  bs2 8pd
> t. +44 (0)117 914 9420  |  m. +44 (0)7803 500740
> f. +44 (0)117 914 9424  |  w. http://www.creativedigital.co.uk/
> 
>
**************-------------------------------------------**************
> The contents of this email and any attachments are the property of
> Creative Digital and are intended for the confidential use of the
named
> recipient(s) only.  They may be legally privileged and should not be
> communicated to or relied upon by any person without our express
written
> consent.  If you are not an addressee please notify us immediately at
> the address below or by email at info at creativedigital.co.uk.
> Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus
> detection software before transmission.  However, you should carry out
> your own virus check before opening any attachment.  Creative Digital
> accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by
> software viruses.
> A list of partners' names can be inspected at all our offices.
>
**************-------------------------------------------**************
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 11:56:42 2001
From: craig.savage at creativedigital.co.uk (Craig Savage)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:56:42 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python 2.0 / Exim
Message-ID: <0469F357271F424B865C12DDF4B7726B01BA46@arioc.CD.REP>

Hiya,

Found some more info - seems to be getting an error from the EPIPE
command - any ideas?

Thanks
Craig

----------Exim Send Log----------

delivering newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com as newsletter
using list_request_transport:
  uid=50 gid=50 home=/usr/local/www/am/manninggottliebmedia/www/mailman
current=/usr/local/www/am/manninggottliebmedia/www/mailman
auxiliary group list: <none>
set_process_info: 21811 2.12 delivering 14abZz-0005fl-00 to newsletter
using list_request_transport
list_request_transport transport entered
direct command:
  argv[0] =
/usr/local/www/am/manninggottliebmedia/www/mailman/mail/wrapper
  argv[1] = mailcmd
  argv[2] = ${lc:$local_part}
direct command after expansion:
  argv[0] =
/usr/local/www/am/manninggottliebmedia/www/mailman/mail/wrapper
  argv[1] = mailcmd
  argv[2] = newsletter
set_process_info: 21813 2.12 reading output from
|/usr/local/www/am/manninggottliebmedia/www/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
${lc:$local_part}
Writing message to pipe
writing data block size=65 timeout=3600
transport error EPIPE ignored
list_request_transport transport yielded 3
list_request_transport transport returned FAIL
post-process newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com
LOG: 0 MAIN
  ** newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com D=list_request_director
T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport
transport returned 2 from command:
/usr/local/www/am/manninggottliebmedia/www/mailman/mail/wrapper
search_tidyup called

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Savage 
Sent: 07 March 2001 10:38
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python
2.0 / Exim


Hi,

Only logfile that exists in the mailman directory is smtp - with nothing
useful in it. Have checked the GID and UID's - both set to exim as per
the setup instructions for mailman on an exim mail server.

Any idea's how I can get more informative logging? Or what an exit code
2 indicates? I'm sure if I knew what it meant I'd be able to fix it...

Thanks
Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: Teo de Hesselle [mailto:teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au]
Sent: 06 March 2001 22:59
To: Craig Savage
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with error - Mailman 2.0.1 / Python
2.0 / Exim


Check the logfiles. Then post the Relevant sections to the list.

BTW it means the mailman wrapper process is returning code 2 rather than
code 0 (success). I'm guessing you didnt set up the daemon UID correctly
when you configured mailman.

Craig Savage wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Having a very vexing problem with getting my new list server running -
> 
> Can send mail from the web interface to subscribe users, gets to them
> fine.
> Users can't respond to that email.
> Also can't post to the list.
> Both generate the following error:
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its
recipients.
> The
> following address(es) failed:
>   newsletter-request at manninggottliebmedia.com:
>     Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
> command:
>     /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> --
> craig savage  |  systems administrator  |  creative digital ltd
> kenham house  |  wilder street  |  bristol  |  bs2 8pd
> t. +44 (0)117 914 9420  |  m. +44 (0)7803 500740
> f. +44 (0)117 914 9424  |  w. http://www.creativedigital.co.uk/
> 
>
**************-------------------------------------------**************
> The contents of this email and any attachments are the property of
> Creative Digital and are intended for the confidential use of the
named
> recipient(s) only.  They may be legally privileged and should not be
> communicated to or relied upon by any person without our express
written
> consent.  If you are not an addressee please notify us immediately at
> the address below or by email at info at creativedigital.co.uk.
> Any files attached to this email will have been checked with virus
> detection software before transmission.  However, you should carry out
> your own virus check before opening any attachment.  Creative Digital
> accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by
> software viruses.
> A list of partners' names can be inspected at all our offices.
>
**************-------------------------------------------**************
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Wed Mar  7 14:55:08 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 05:55:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple installations still having trouble
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103061800490.10639-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103070541420.16873-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

I figured it out!  Sendmail's smrsh is a bit deceiving.  Even though
it says it's doing a "|/home/mailman/lists.erc/mail/wrapper post board",
it's REALLY running /etc/smrsh/wrapper, which was symlinked to my
original installation's wrapper.  Took a look at README.SENDMAIL, 
then added another symlink to the other wrapper and changed aliases
accordingly.  Works fine now!

I'm quite tempted to write up all the stuff I've had to figure out
over the last few days, and offer it up to the world.  I can't be
the only one that's struggled with this...

- Dave

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Dave Melton wrote:

> A few days ago, I asked for ideas on a problem I'm having setting
> up multiple installations on the same machine.  The one recommendation
> I received was to set up all of the installations under the
> "mailman.mailman" UID.GID, rather than creating separate users and
> groups for each domain's installation.  I've now done that, and am 
> having the same problem I had before.
> 
> The web interface works fine. I can subscribe people from the web,
> they get the welcome message and I get the notification message.
> But when I post to the list, it bounces with the following error:
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Mailman error: post got bad listname: board
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/lists.erc/mail/wrapper post board"... unknown
> mailer error 1
> 
> 
> What I can tell from this is that the message was received, routed
> to the correct script, and the script was able to execute.  For 
> some reason, the "post" script can't tell that the list is there!
> 
> What the heck have I done wrong?




From ksrobin at erenj.com  Wed Mar  7 15:07:05 2001
From: ksrobin at erenj.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:07:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating an Announcement Only list
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010307090325.03d16cc0@clmail>

Hi,

I am new to the Mailman world of Lists. I'm just starting to play with 
version 2 of the software. I would like to create an announcement only 
list, one where only certain people can post. There doesn't seem to be any 
mechanism available to do this. The only thing I've found is to make it a 
moderated list and allow posts from certain addresses.

Thanks in advance.
Ken Robinson




From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Wed Mar  7 15:46:58 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:46:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Altering Message Footer
In-Reply-To: <001301c0a69c$48503960$128d80cc@wcrklaw.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307093540.00d7b4a0@mail.stetson.edu>

At 04:19 PM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Federal law will or does require information in mass mailings on how to
>unsubscribe from lists.  Can the footer in Mailman be altered to include
>text to conform with this requirement?

There are no pending regulations for opt-in mailing lists, which 
is what Mailman is meant to be used for.

Although this list has had a few inquiries from spammers, 
Mailman is not really designed for spam type mailings.  (There 
are much "Better" tools for those type of mailings.)  The footer 
on mailman messages already includes a link to the page where 
the user can sign off the list.

But if you do feel that you need to add stuff, you can use the 
"Footer added to mail sent to regular list members" section on 
the "Regular Members (non-digest) options" page.


-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From sweetsue at hell.com  Wed Mar  7 15:57:24 2001
From: sweetsue at hell.com (Susanne Bullo - Personal)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:57:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail
References: <050c01c0a67e$07132840$1769bed8@address.com>
Message-ID: <020601c0a716$ec0d5630$0669bed8@address.com>

Anyone have any helpful insight?  I have clients waiting for their lists to
start back up again but I keep getting:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at xxx.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<xxx at xxxx.com>:
This address no longer accepts mail.

Thanks to anyone who can help!

Susanne Bullo
Sweet Homes Web Services
http://www.sweethomes.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susanne Bullo - Personal" <sweetsue at hell.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail


> I know this has been asked millions of times but the readme.qmail is less
> than helpful.  I run a linux redhat system utilizing qmail.  I need to
have
> a clearer idea of what needs to be configured in order to have my lists
work
> (I moved from a sendmail server to a qmail server).  I'm using the latest
> version of Mailman.
>
> TYIA.
>
> Susanne Bullo
> Sweet Homes Web Services
> http://www.sweethomes.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From gdinwiddie at min.net  Wed Mar  7 16:00:44 2001
From: gdinwiddie at min.net (George Dinwiddie)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:00:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UI nit
Message-ID: <200103071500.KAA18958@min.net>

On the "membership approval" web page, there're radio buttons for 
subscribe and refuse, but no way to change your mind and defer
a decision once you've clicked.

 - George


-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  George Dinwiddie                             gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
  The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
  sailing.                                    http://www.Alberg30.org/
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------




From klinch at mail.uark.edu  Wed Mar  7 16:19:23 2001
From: klinch at mail.uark.edu (K. Michele Linch)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:19:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <3AAC5B4E@WebMail.uark.edu>

I have received this three times now.  How do I get them to stop sending this 
stuff?

Thanks!
Michele Linch

>===== Original Message From ati-admin at mail.k12.ar.us =====
The ATI at list.k12.ar.us mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your
consideration at:

	http://list.k12.ar.us/mailman/admindb/ati

Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.

Pending posts:
	From: hahaha at sexyfun.net on Mon Mar  5 17:40:20 2001:
	Cause: 'Implicit destination'
Post held because:
                                Implicit destination
  Action to take on this post:

                                     Approve

                                                Reject

                                                          Discard (eg, spam)


  If you reject this post,
  explain (optional):

  Contents:


>From ati-admin  Mon Mar  5 17:40:20 2001
Received: from aristotle.net (aristotle.net [204.233.139.1])
        by mail.k12.ar.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28423
        for <ati at mail.k12.ar.us>; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:40:19 -0600 (CST)
Received: from computer (pm12ppp129.aristotle.net [207.150.22.129])
        by aristotle.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA22253
        for <ati at list.k12.ar.us>; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:39:54 -0600 (CST)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:39:54 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <200103052339.RAA22253 at aristotle.net>
From: Hahaha <hahaha at sexyfun.net>
Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--VEOXUJ4DQRW5IBCP2RKXEVOX6ZGDQZOT"

----VEOXUJ4DQRW5IBCP2RKXEVOX6ZGDQZOT
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a 
*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the 
Seven
Dwarfs enter...


----VEOXUJ4DQRW5IBCP2RKXEVOX6ZGDQZOT
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="sexy virgin.scr"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sexy virgin.scr"

K. Michele Linch
Arkansas Leadership Academy
University of Arkansas
Grad Ed 153
Fayetteville, AR 72701
(501)575-3030
1-888-281-2602

"What Difference Does It Make For Kids?"




From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Wed Mar  7 16:38:15 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
In-Reply-To: <3AAC5B4E@WebMail.uark.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307102647.02e5a780@mail.stetson.edu>

This is a virus mailing, they don't even know that they are sending it...

Just go to the admin page and delete it.

If you have several list members who have contracted the virus, 
you may be stuck doing this for a few days.  It sends that mail 
to each person in the receiver's Outlook address 
book.  Outlook's virus susceptibility is the main reason why I use Eudora.

If you can figure out who is sending it (don't even try to reply 
to haha at .. it is a bogus address) you should send them a note 
that they are infected.  But make sure that if you are using 
Outlook, that you just discard any attachment he/she may send 
you if they reply.

Good Luck

At 09:19 AM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
>I have received this three times now.  How do I get them to 
>stop sending this
>stuff?
>
>Thanks!
>Michele Linch
>
> >===== Original Message From ati-admin at mail.k12.ar.us =====
>The ATI at list.k12.ar.us mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your
>consideration at:
>
>         http://list.k12.ar.us/mailman/admindb/ati
>
>Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
>pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
>
>Pending posts:
>         From: hahaha at sexyfun.net on Mon Mar  5 17:40:20 2001:
>         Cause: 'Implicit destination'
>Post held because:
>                                 Implicit destination
>   Action to take on this post:
>
>                                      Approve
>
>                                                 Reject
>
> 
>Discard (eg, spam)
>
>
>   If you reject this post,
>   explain (optional):
>
>   Contents:
>
>
> >From ati-admin  Mon Mar  5 17:40:20 2001
>Received: from aristotle.net (aristotle.net [204.233.139.1])
>         by mail.k12.ar.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28423
>         for <ati at mail.k12.ar.us>; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:40:19 -0600 (CST)
>Received: from computer (pm12ppp129.aristotle.net [207.150.22.129])
>         by aristotle.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA22253
>         for <ati at list.k12.ar.us>; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:39:54 -0600 (CST)
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:39:54 -0600 (CST)
>Message-Id: <200103052339.RAA22253 at aristotle.net>
>From: Hahaha <hahaha at sexyfun.net>
>Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
>boundary="--VEOXUJ4DQRW5IBCP2RKXEVOX6ZGDQZOT"
>
>----VEOXUJ4DQRW5IBCP2RKXEVOX6ZGDQZOT
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very 
>educated and
>polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a
>*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door 
>open, and the
>Seven
>Dwarfs enter...
>
>
>----VEOXUJ4DQRW5IBCP2RKXEVOX6ZGDQZOT
>Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="sexy virgin.scr"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sexy virgin.scr"
>
>K. Michele Linch
>Arkansas Leadership Academy
>University of Arkansas
>Grad Ed 153
>Fayetteville, AR 72701
>(501)575-3030
>1-888-281-2602
>
>"What Difference Does It Make For Kids?"
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org  Wed Mar  7 16:42:41 2001
From: room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org (Patriot)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] > [#3AAC5B4E@WebMail.uark.edu] Mar 7 2001 10:19am from K. M
Message-ID: <312663@bbs.pixel.citadel.org>

 > [#3AAC5B4E at WebMail.uark.edu] Mar 7 2001 10:19am from K. Michele Linch 
<klinch at mail.uark.edu>    
 >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!   
 >I have received this three times now.  How do I get them to stop sending 
this    
   
 >stuff?   
   
 >   
   
   
 Someone needs to unsubscribe 'em from this list, would be my guess.  






From darron at javelindigital.com  Wed Mar  7 16:58:06 2001
From: darron at javelindigital.com (Darron Froese)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 08:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Postfix SMTP server: errors from mail.python.org[63.102.49.29]
In-Reply-To: <20010307154048.5EF181D4002@uber.javelindigital.com>
Message-ID: <B6CBA89E.8FA5%darron@javelindigital.com>

My MTA (Postfix) keeps rejecting a post from the list because it's saying it
contains a virus/worm:

Mar  7 08:40:43 uber postfix/cleanup[28776]: C24B61D4002: reject: body
>Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="sexy virgin.scr";
from=<mailman-users-admin at python.org> to=<darron at javelindigital.com>

Be careful people - if you haven't already heard of it, it's a nasty one:

<http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/hybris.shtml>
-- 
darron froese
new media technologist
sutton javelin corporate communications
t  403.716.0351
f  403.265.7662
e  darron at javelindigital.com

------ Forwarded Message
From: MAILER-DAEMON at uber.javelindigital.com (Mail Delivery System)
Date: Wed,  7 Mar 2001 08:40:48 -0700 (MST)
To: postmaster at javelindigital.com (Postmaster)
Subject: Postfix SMTP server: errors from mail.python.org[63.102.49.29]

Transcript of session follows.

 Out: 220 uber.javelindigital.com ESMTP
 In:  EHLO mail.python.org
 Out: 250-uber.javelindigital.com
 Out: 250-PIPELINING
 Out: 250-SIZE 51200000
 Out: 250-ETRN
 Out: 250-STARTTLS
 Out: 250 8BITMIME
 In:  STARTTLS
 Out: 220 Ready to start TLS
 In:  EHLO mail.python.org
 Out: 250-uber.javelindigital.com
 Out: 250-PIPELINING
 Out: 250-SIZE 51200000
 Out: 250-ETRN
 Out: 250 8BITMIME
 In:  MAIL FROM:<mailman-users-admin at python.org> SIZE=6435
 Out: 250 Ok
 In:  RCPT TO:<darron at javelindigital.com>
 Out: 250 Ok
 In:  DATA
 Out: 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
 Out: 552 Error: content rejected
 In:  QUIT
 Out: 221 Bye

No message was collected successfully.


------ End of Forwarded Message




From barry at digicool.com  Wed Mar  7 17:00:02 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from efernandezor@antena3tv.es
Message-ID: <15014.23298.339836.33794@anthem.wooz.org>

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From: efernandezor at antena3tv.es
Subject: Mailman
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From sweetsue at hell.com  Wed Mar  7 17:24:28 2001
From: sweetsue at hell.com (Susanne Bullo - Personal)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:24:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partially figured out
Message-ID: <029f01c0a723$15a4f500$0669bed8@address.com>

Ok, with some help from another on this list, I figured out how to configure for qmail.  Here's my problem now.  As I have a control panel in place that has some specifics about it (Plesk), if I send email via telnet, it's done as:

/usr/sbin/sendmail.plesk listname at list.domain.com

This arrives to the list as I receive a notification of having a pending task sent by a person not on the list.  But if I attempt to send via my email program, it will not get sent.  I don't even receive an error - it seems to just sort of disappear.

Is there someway to see how mail is sent and perhaps modify some file to use /usr/sbin/sendmail.plesk?

Thanks in advance again all!

Susanne Bullo
Sweet Homes Web Services
http://www.sweethomes.com
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From sweetsue at hell.com  Wed Mar  7 17:40:22 2001
From: sweetsue at hell.com (Susanne Bullo - Personal)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:40:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Partially figured out
Message-ID: <030701c0a725$4e73e2e0$0669bed8@address.com>

Ok, with some help from another on this list, I figured out how to configure
for qmail.  Here's my problem now.  As I have a control panel in place that
has some specifics about it (Plesk), if I send email via telnet, it's done
as:

 /usr/sbin/sendmail.plesk listname at list.domain.com

 This arrives to the list as I receive a notification of having a pending
task sent by a person not on the list.  But if I attempt to send via my
email program, it will not get sent.  I don't even receive an error - it
seems to just sort of disappear.

 Is there someway to see how mail is sent and perhaps modify some file to
use /usr/sbin/sendmail.plesk?

 Thanks in advance again all!

 Susanne Bullo
Sweet Homes Web Services
http://www.sweethomes.com





From mats at laplaza.org  Wed Mar  7 17:45:15 2001
From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 09:45:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010307102647.02e5a780@mail.stetson.edu>
References: <3AAC5B4E@WebMail.uark.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010307094355.00b1fd20@mail.laplaza.org>

At 10:38 AM 03/07/2001 -0500, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
 >This is a virus mailing, they don't even know that they are sending it...
 >
 >Just go to the admin page and delete it.
 >
 >If you have several list members who have contracted the virus,
 >you may be stuck doing this for a few days.  It sends that mail
 >to each person in the receiver's Outlook address
 >book.  Outlook's virus susceptibility is the main reason why I use Eudora.
 >
 >If you can figure out who is sending it (don't even try to reply
 >to haha at .. it is a bogus address)

The fun part is that mailman will have politely sent a message
that this is being held, and that will bounce due to the phony
address, so you get another piece of email in your inbox. Sigh.




From rvinas at emlab.com  Wed Mar  7 19:43:59 2001
From: rvinas at emlab.com (Randy Vinas)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:43:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deletetion from archive
Message-ID: <B6CBC16F.BD%rvinas@emlab.com>

How do I delete one particular message from the archive?

Randy





From bfh77 at sunlink.net  Wed Mar  7 19:50:53 2001
From: bfh77 at sunlink.net (Bryan Harris)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:20:53 -0330
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3AA6830D.A33E58A5@sunlink.net>

subcribe mailman Brittany Harris




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed Mar  7 21:30:28 2001
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 12:30:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove members
References: <017301c0a6f2$7b047500$fb9c79c1@pouet>
Message-ID: <3AA69A64.163E60C3@west.sun.com>


Benoit Moeremans wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> i try to remove all members from a list with the command "./remove_members
> nameofthelist", and doesn't work. Why and any idea to remove theses members?

How on Earth do you expect someone to diagnose a problem with a description of
"it doesn't work"?

"What it says" is stuff you should be reading and thinking about; if you don't
tell anyone else, you probably weren't.



From nora at zim.stud.uni-goettingen.de  Wed Mar  7 22:30:13 2001
From: nora at zim.stud.uni-goettingen.de (Nora Speer)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:30:13 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error message from cron
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103072205330.32265-100000@zimbo.zim.goe.net>

Hi,

I installed the SuSE-Mailman-rpm and configured it as described in the
READMEs and INSTALLs. The Webinterface seamed to work and I also managed
to set up a testlist. No I have the following problem:
Suddenty the testlist disappeared in the webinterface although it?s still 
in the folder /var/spool/mailman/lists and I got this error message from
the cron. Also the list is not working (so that I do not receive the
mails):

cron message:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 271, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line
219,
in lock
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line
350,
in __write
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/spool/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.meica.25048'
---
The cronmessage is also in the errorlogfile. I run mailman with postfix as
MTA on a SuSE 7.1. May I some ownerships or permissons are not right.
The $prefix directory is owned by mailman and also set to the group
mailman. The /var/spool/mailman directory is also owned by root and set to
the group mailman ?
Any ideas ?

        Nora
--
                     \|/////
                     (  o   o  )
 -------|-------oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo---------|------
                      Nora Speer
                  Zimmermannstr.5/307
                    37075 G?ttingen
                email: nora at zim.goe.net
 ---------------------------Oooo---------------------
                     oooO  (    )
                    (    )  )  /
                     \  (   (_/
                      _)









From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar  7 23:11:41 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:11:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.0.2: AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103071709050.25713-100000@alb-net.com>

Here is the error I get when attempting to approve subscription Request on
"confirm+approval" list.

thanks,
Mentor

---
Mar 07 17:07:00 2001 admin(15231): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(15231): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
admin(15231): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(15231): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(15231):     main()
admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
admin(15231):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
admin(15231):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
admin(15231):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
admin(15231):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
admin(15231): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
....




From thomas at xs4all.net  Wed Mar  7 23:52:36 2001
From: thomas at xs4all.net (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:52:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 2.0.2: AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103071709050.25713-100000@alb-net.com>; from mentor@alb-net.com on Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:11:41PM -0500
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103071709050.25713-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <20010307235236.F404@xs4all.nl>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:11:41PM -0500, Mentor Cana wrote:

> Here is the error I get when attempting to approve subscription Request on
> "confirm+approval" list.

> admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
> admin(15231):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
> admin(15231): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
> ....

Oh, fscking cramp. I hope Barry doesn't see this message until after he's on
the plane back home, or at least after he bought me that beer he promised
:-) I guess Barry will have to bring out a 2.0.3, sigh. My typo. You can fix
it manually by changing line 331 of ListAdmin.py to 'except
Errors.MMAlreadyAMember:'. Note the extra 'A' between 'Already' and
'Member'. It's fixed in the current CVS tree as well as the 2.0 branch. 

-- 
Thomas Wouters <thomas at xs4all.net>

Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!



From steffen at wflin3.asta.uni-wuppertal.de  Thu Mar  8 01:42:49 2001
From: steffen at wflin3.asta.uni-wuppertal.de (Steffen Bardolatzi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:42:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best wy to upgrade from Mailman 2.0b6 to 2.02?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103080141230.923-100000@steffensdomaine.dyndns.org>

There are some archiv related issues - unfortunatley not archived for
some reasons - with upgrading from V2.0b6 to V2.0x final [last attempt with
2.01].

First of all what?s running:

- Linux 2.2.x
- Python 1.52 (1.6 or 2.0 compiled additionally but did not work with
currently passwords i.e. I was not able to login as mailman-owner nor
listowner - using a make install)
- there are running some inportant liste --> I can?t afford *any* loss of
e-mails and archived messages [for this reason I always make a backup]
- qmail as MTA


I. Upgrading to 2.0 with mailman 2.0.x --> see above, mail delivery seems to
work:
- passwords are not recognized, it is no way to reset them to default
values --> how does it is possible to upgrade to Python 2.0 *without*
leaving *all* passwords?

==> I?ll stick with Mailman 2.0x for I have to keep the current list +
datebases, if there was a password converter there was not problem

==> sticking with Python 1.52 for now --> II


II. Upgrade to mailman 2.0x:

- first make install, then
- passwords still work
- mail delivery is fine
- archives *only* work with *some* already configured lists, e.g.
"testliste" does *not* archive
- newly created lists does not archive *at all* - I couldn?t figure out
wrongly set permissions


So what might be the best way to upgrade to 2.02 final with using the old
datebase and passwords without any loss of data?


Thanks in advance,
		Steffen







From gary at tue.welkin.org  Thu Mar  8 07:02:46 2001
From: gary at tue.welkin.org (gary pickens)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:02:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive line contains unsightly  iso-8899-1 text
Message-ID: <01030800024600.04072@tue.welkin.org>

Hello,

On some of my archive lists I am getting the following text:

 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Enrique_De_La_Pe=F1a_and_Jos=E9_Urrea's_Diaries?= 

Seems like a char set (accented characters) is not getting interpreted 
correctly.

Is there something I can do to get the correct the text short of going in 
with a text editor?  Do I have something misconfigured? 

I am currently running mailman 2.0.1

Thanks
Gary



From nora at zim.stud.uni-goettingen.de  Thu Mar  8 10:14:13 2001
From: nora at zim.stud.uni-goettingen.de (Nora Speer)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:14:13 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgot: cron errors
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081008420.1144-100000@zimbo.zim.goe.net>

Hi,

I forgot to say. I rum mailman 2.0-5.
I would be great if anyone could help me.

        Nora
--
                     \|/////
                     (  o   o  )
 -------|-------oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo---------|------
                      Nora Speer
                  Zimmermannstr.5/307
                    37075 G?ttingen
                email: nora at zim.goe.net
 ---------------------------Oooo---------------------
                     oooO  (    )
                    (    )  )  /
                     \  (   (_/
                      _)





From steffen at wflin3.asta.uni-wuppertal.de  Thu Mar  8 10:41:30 2001
From: steffen at wflin3.asta.uni-wuppertal.de (Steffen Bardolatzi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:41:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Idea as for the non-arching issue
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103081024440.1268-100000@steffensdomaine.dyndns.org>

Unfortunately, I can?t prove it but this might be the reason for
non-archiving issues:

For the last times I posted with "steffen at asta.uni-wuppertal.de" which is
basically the same as "steffen at wflin3.asta.uni-wuppertal.de" with one
difference:

- I am subscribed with "steffen at wflin3.asta.uni-wuppertal.de"
- asta.uni-wuppertal.de is allowed, too
- there is no DNS-entry for asta.uni-wuppertal.de (we can't change it)

Apart from these details the recent message with "...wflin3..." in it *has*
been archived.
If the archiving code has not been changed from 2.01 up to 2.02: does it is
possible that *non*-Subscribers are not archived (different in Beta 6)?

If this was true there was an important issue to us because we *have to*
archive non-members messages archiving an external Mailinglist for internal
use (filtering Bcc messages).

Any ideas about that?!


Thanks in advance,
		Steffen








From nora at zim.stud.uni-goettingen.de  Thu Mar  8 11:06:29 2001
From: nora at zim.stud.uni-goettingen.de (Nora Speer)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:06:29 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] call for help - please
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081043340.1267-100000@zimbo.zim.goe.net>

Hi,

again me:  I get errors and errors from the cron. This time anotherone. I
guess some permissions are wrong. Can anyone tell me who should own the
/var/spool/mailman and the /usr/lib/mailman (where I installed mailman)?
And to which group they should be set ?  Beside that (or maybe because of
that) the maildelivery is not working at all.

This is the errormessage from the cron:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line
79,
in __init__
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line
891,
in Load
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line
868,
in __load
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/spool/mailman/lists/ntest/config.db'

Thank you.

        Nora
--
                     \|/////
                     (  o   o  )
 -------|-------oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo---------|------
                      Nora Speer
                  Zimmermannstr.5/307
                    37075 G?ttingen
                email: nora at zim.goe.net
 ---------------------------Oooo---------------------
                     oooO  (    )
                    (    )  )  /
                     \  (   (_/
                      _)







From neim.rustemi at idun.no  Thu Mar  8 13:15:00 2001
From: neim.rustemi at idun.no (neim.rustemi at idun.no)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:15:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin message
Message-ID: <OF8F2D71FA.1D0FD1C8-ONC1256A09.0042F47E@orkla.no>

Hi,

I would like to know how to send an admin message to all users on list,
when i'm list administrator?
Not from my e-mail adress, but directly from list.

Best wishes Neim Rustemi

PC & Nettverkskonsulent, Idun Industri a.s
Tel. 22094882
E-mail: neim.rustemi at idun.no




From rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com  Thu Mar  8 15:34:04 2001
From: rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: 08 Mar 2001 06:34:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail handling and 2.0.2
Message-ID: <m3elw8nxcz.fsf@localhost.localdomain>

I just upgraded to 2.0.2 from 1.something or other.

I've noticed 2 issues that I would like clarification on.

1) logs/post sets the poster to the list owner rather than the actual
person that sent the post.  In the older version, I'd see:

Jul 07 06:50:24 2000  post to jokes from rupa at rupa.com size=1724

in the new version I see:

Mar 08 06:27:09 2001 (15673) post to jokes from jokes-admin at rupa.com, size=1944,
 success


2) I found this because the new version seems to be ignoring the
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER directive in the mm_cfg.py.  *or* it is picking up
something else and thinking it is the envelope.  I was hopeing that
the logs/post would give me an idea but since all posts are from the
owner that isn't helping much.

Before I jump in and try to "really" figure out whats up, has anyone
seen this before and have suggestions?

I've changed nothing in the MTA, but if that is important, I'm running
postfix.



From kmccann at bellanet.org  Thu Mar  8 15:57:06 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:57:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive line contains unsightly 
  iso-8899-1 text
In-Reply-To: <01030800024600.04072@tue.welkin.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010308094431.06cc4c50@internet.idrc.ca>

At 12:02 AM 2001/03/08 -0600, gary pickens wrote:
>Hello,
>
>On some of my archive lists I am getting the following text:
>
>  =?iso-8859-1?Q?Enrique_De_La_Pe=F1a_and_Jos=E9_Urrea's_Diaries?=

Hi Gary,

Accented characters in the Subject and From: headers get MIME-encoded. If 
you see ?Q?, it's quoted-printable encoding while ?B? indicates base64 
encoding. Either way, you need to decode. List archive tools such as 
Mhonarc handle this. The following script is an example of how to decode 
the Subject: using Perl. Perhaps the Mailman volunteer coders can work the 
same kind of thing (a la Python) into the next major release.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#! /usr/bin/perl
use MIME::Base64 ();
use MIME::QuotedPrint();

if (defined($fields{'subject'}) and $fields{'subject'} =~ /\S/) {
($sub = $fields{'subject'}) =~ s/\s+$//;
$sub = subject_strip($sub)  if $SubStripCode;
## Multiline Base64 encoded Subject
my @encoded;
my $line;
if($sub =~ /=\?[A-Za-z0-9\-]*\?[Bb]\?[A-Za-z0-9+\/=]*\?=/ ){
     @encoded = (split(/\?=/, $sub));
     $sub = "";
     for($line = 0; $line < scalar(@encoded); $line++){
         $sub .= MIME::Base64::decode((split(/\?/,$encoded[$line]))[3]);
     }
}
## Multiline QuotedPrintable encoded Subject
if($sub =~ /=\?[A-Za-z0-9\-]*\?[Qq]\?[:ascii:]*\?=/){
     @encoded = (split(/\?=/, $sub));
     $sub = "";
     for($line = 0; $line <scalar(@encoded); $line++){
         $sub .= MIME::Base64::decode((split(/\?/,$encoded[$line]))[3]);
     }
}
} else {
$sub = 'No Subject';
}
-----------------------------------------------------

Cheers,
Kevin





From pete at smtl.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 17:46:00 2001
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:46:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....
Message-ID: <200103081646.QAA25810@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

Hi

Last desperate plea for help otherwise I will have to go back to using 
SmartList.....

I haven't had any responses to my 2 posts about the wrapper program
problem. I'm assuming it's because I am doing something idiotic, but
*any* response would be appreciated - either detailed help (very
welcome) or just "the compilation flag should be X instead of Y".

So, here is my problem again.  Remember - it's SmartList next :-)

Pete
--------------------------
Hi

I too am experiencing problems with 2.0.1 mailman and the wrapper GID
problem. Enclosed below are, hopefully, enough snippets for someone to
solve the problem.

Firstly - yes, I have followed the INSTALL (as I understand it), read
the FAQ, searched the python.org archives, and searched all of this
years mailman digests.

Anyway...

        Platform:  Red Hat Linux 6.0 , Kernel 2.2.17 on an i686
        Mailman: 2.0.1        MTA: sendmail-8.11.0

On sending the confirmation reply to a subscription request, I get the 
following in my sendmail log:

        Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
        script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)

Here is my configuration line:

        ./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
        --exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
        --with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
        --with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib 
        --with-mail-gid='mail'
        --with-cgi-gid='nobody' 
        --with-cgi-extension='.cgi'

(BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - I get the
same problem. )

As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).


However, if I run the following by hand:
           /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2

I get 

        Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
        (Reconfigure to take 0?)

I.e., the wrapper here seems to understand that gid of 12 is required, 
but it is getting 0 (because I ran this as root from the command line
?).

My sendmail.cf contains the following:
           O DefaultUser=8:12

My /etc/group file contains:
           mail::12:mail


Also: 
      ls -al /etc/smrsh/wrapper
      lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           33 Aug  8  2000 /etc/smrsh/wrapper 
--> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

Any help *deeply* appreciated :-)

Pete



From travisll at comfedcu.org  Thu Mar  8 18:13:15 2001
From: travisll at comfedcu.org (Travis Llewellyn)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:13:15 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....
Message-ID: <9BEC938FC276D411BA0A00508BC9979402FE58@exchange.comfedcu.com>

Pete,

What does you aliases file look like?

Also if you su to mail what happen when you run it manually?

Travis

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Pete Phillips [mailto:pete at smtl.co.uk] 
Sent:	Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:46 AM
To:	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....


Hi

Last desperate plea for help otherwise I will have to go back to using 
SmartList.....

I haven't had any responses to my 2 posts about the wrapper program
problem. I'm assuming it's because I am doing something idiotic, but
*any* response would be appreciated - either detailed help (very
welcome) or just "the compilation flag should be X instead of Y".

So, here is my problem again.  Remember - it's SmartList next :-)

Pete
--------------------------
Hi

I too am experiencing problems with 2.0.1 mailman and the wrapper GID
problem. Enclosed below are, hopefully, enough snippets for someone to
solve the problem.

Firstly - yes, I have followed the INSTALL (as I understand it), read
the FAQ, searched the python.org archives, and searched all of this
years mailman digests.

Anyway...

        Platform:  Red Hat Linux 6.0 , Kernel 2.2.17 on an i686
        Mailman: 2.0.1        MTA: sendmail-8.11.0

On sending the confirmation reply to a subscription request, I get the 
following in my sendmail log:

        Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
        script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)

Here is my configuration line:

        ./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
        --exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
        --with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
        --with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib 
        --with-mail-gid='mail'
        --with-cgi-gid='nobody' 
        --with-cgi-extension='.cgi'

(BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - I get the
same problem. )

As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).


However, if I run the following by hand:
           /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2

I get 

        Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
        (Reconfigure to take 0?)

I.e., the wrapper here seems to understand that gid of 12 is required, 
but it is getting 0 (because I ran this as root from the command line
?).

My sendmail.cf contains the following:
           O DefaultUser=8:12

My /etc/group file contains:
           mail::12:mail


Also: 
      ls -al /etc/smrsh/wrapper
      lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           33 Aug  8  2000
/etc/smrsh/wrapper 
--> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

Any help *deeply* appreciated :-)

Pete

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dirtybird at grapevine2.com  Thu Mar  8 19:58:24 2001
From: dirtybird at grapevine2.com (Dirtybird)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010308135607.009678c0@comet.grapevine2.net>

   Will Mailman run on a private homepage? If so let me know what I need to 
do to have it running. I used to run an older version of Mailman through an 
EX ISP server. I run a joke list and I would love to get back with a real 
mailing list again instead of using yahoogroups



From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Mar  8 20:50:50 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:50:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....
In-Reply-To: <200103081646.QAA25810@crusher.smtl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081148090.4804-100000@pirk.com>

I replied to this once before I believe... Have you tried using
"1" instead of "12"? I would mess around with various settings,
trying it each time.

Make sure you "make install" as user mailman. I could be that some
of the files cannot be exec'd properly because of permissions....

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Pete Phillips wrote:

> 
> Hi
> 
> Last desperate plea for help otherwise I will have to go back to using 
> SmartList.....
> 
> I haven't had any responses to my 2 posts about the wrapper program
> problem. I'm assuming it's because I am doing something idiotic, but
> *any* response would be appreciated - either detailed help (very
> welcome) or just "the compilation flag should be X instead of Y".
> 
> So, here is my problem again.  Remember - it's SmartList next :-)
> 
> Pete
> --------------------------
> Hi
> 
> I too am experiencing problems with 2.0.1 mailman and the wrapper GID
> problem. Enclosed below are, hopefully, enough snippets for someone to
> solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly - yes, I have followed the INSTALL (as I understand it), read
> the FAQ, searched the python.org archives, and searched all of this
> years mailman digests.
> 
> Anyway...
> 
>         Platform:  Red Hat Linux 6.0 , Kernel 2.2.17 on an i686
>         Mailman: 2.0.1        MTA: sendmail-8.11.0
> 
> On sending the confirmation reply to a subscription request, I get the 
> following in my sendmail log:
> 
>         Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
>         script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)
> 
> Here is my configuration line:
> 
>         ./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
>         --exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
>         --with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
>         --with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib 
>         --with-mail-gid='mail'
>         --with-cgi-gid='nobody' 
>         --with-cgi-extension='.cgi'
> 
> (BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - I get the
> same problem. )
> 
> As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).
> 
> 
> However, if I run the following by hand:
>            /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2
> 
> I get 
> 
>         Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
>         (Reconfigure to take 0?)
> 
> I.e., the wrapper here seems to understand that gid of 12 is required, 
> but it is getting 0 (because I ran this as root from the command line
> ?).
> 
> My sendmail.cf contains the following:
>            O DefaultUser=8:12
> 
> My /etc/group file contains:
>            mail::12:mail
> 
> 
> Also: 
>       ls -al /etc/smrsh/wrapper
>       lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           33 Aug  8  2000 /etc/smrsh/wrapper 
> --> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper
> 
> Any help *deeply* appreciated :-)
> 
> Pete
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Mar  8 21:01:42 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:01:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] call for help - please
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103081043340.1267-100000@zimbo.zim.goe.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081155230.4804-100000@pirk.com>

I believe it is safe to comment this cron entry (gate_news).
From the crontab comments, it seems to be a method to send/receive
messages to news servers... Anyone else have some ideas?

Also, the path /usr/lib/mailman is not a typical place to put
user home dirs. Remember, "mailman" is a user on the system.
The user mailman should own /var/lib/mailman/* and should own
the file /var/spool/mail/mailman file with group mail or mailman.
(specific to linux, but hopefully you get the idea).

$ ls -l /var/spool/mail
-rw-------   1 mailman  mailman       543 Mar  5 22:12 mailman

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Nora Speer wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> again me:  I get errors and errors from the cron. This time anotherone. I
> guess some permissions are wrong. Can anyone tell me who should own the
> /var/spool/mailman and the /usr/lib/mailman (where I installed mailman)?
> And to which group they should be set ?  Beside that (or maybe because of
> that) the maildelivery is not working at all.
> 
> This is the errormessage from the cron:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
>     process_lists(lock)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
>   File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line
> 79,
> in __init__
>   File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line
> 891,
> in Load
>   File "/var/tmp/mailman-root//usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line
> 868,
> in __load
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/spool/mailman/lists/ntest/config.db'
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>         Nora
> --
>                      \|/////
>                      (  o   o  )
>  -------|-------oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo---------|------
>                       Nora Speer
>                   Zimmermannstr.5/307
>                     37075 G?ttingen
>                 email: nora at zim.goe.net
>  ---------------------------Oooo---------------------
>                      oooO  (    )
>                     (    )  )  /
>                      \  (   (_/
>                       _)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Mar  8 21:04:52 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:04:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010308135607.009678c0@comet.grapevine2.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081202400.4804-100000@pirk.com>

If by private homepage you mean a box that you have a web account on,
but do not have administrative access to, the answer is no.

Mailman requires root access to the box to install, and should be run
as it's own user.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Dirtybird wrote:

>    Will Mailman run on a private homepage? If so let me know what I need to 
> do to have it running. I used to run an older version of Mailman through an 
> EX ISP server. I run a joke list and I would love to get back with a real 
> mailing list again instead of using yahoogroups
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org  Thu Mar  8 21:16:02 2001
From: room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org (Patriot)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:16:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] > [#Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081155230.4804-100000@pirk.com] Mar 8
Message-ID: <313933@bbs.pixel.citadel.org>

 > [#Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081155230.4804-100000 at pirk.com] Mar 8 2001 3:01pm 
from Orion (Steve Pirk) <orion at deathcon.com>    
 >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] call for help - please   
 >I believe it is safe to comment this cron entry (gate_news).   
   
 >From the crontab comments, it seems to be a method to send/receive   
   
 >messages to news servers... Anyone else have some ideas?   
   
 >   
   
 >Also, the path /usr/lib/mailman is not a typical place to put   
   
 >user home dirs. Remember, "mailman" is a user on the system.   
   
 >The user mailman should own /var/lib/mailman/* and should own   
   
 >the file /var/spool/mail/mailman file with group mail or mailman.   
   
   
   
   
 That's true.  You can comment it out unless you're gatewaying your 
mailing  
 lists to usenet newsgroups.  






From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Mar  8 21:58:34 2001
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:58:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....
References: <200103081646.QAA25810@crusher.smtl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3AA7F27A.A9DB0DF1@west.sun.com>

>         Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
>         script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)

And this means *EXACTLY* what it says.  The script wanted to be run with a GID
of 1.  But it got 12.

> Here is my configuration line:
> 
>         ./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
>         --exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
>         --with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
>         --with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib
>         --with-mail-gid='mail'
>         --with-cgi-gid='nobody'
>         --with-cgi-extension='.cgi'
> 
> (BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - I get the
> same problem. )

You must not be running the wrapper you think you're
running.  Perhaps the install step didn't actually work.

> 
> As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).
> 
> However, if I run the following by hand:
>            /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2
> 
> I get
> 
>         Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
>         (Reconfigure to take 0?)



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Mar  8 22:00:29 2001
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:00:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] call for help - please
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081155230.4804-100000@pirk.com>
Message-ID: <3AA7F2ED.1F5A5E0E@west.sun.com>

> I believe it is safe to comment this cron entry (gate_news).
> >From the crontab comments, it seems to be a method to send/receive
> messages to news servers... Anyone else have some ideas?

Yes, it's only used for gate news to mail and back (hence the
name "gate_news").

> Also, the path /usr/lib/mailman is not a typical place to put
> user home dirs. Remember, "mailman" is a user on the system.
> The user mailman should own /var/lib/mailman/* and should own
> the file /var/spool/mail/mailman file with group mail or mailman.
> (specific to linux, but hopefully you get the idea).

The mailman files should be installed in the user mailman's home directory,
and check_perms straightens out the permissions.  All this is covered in
great detail in the INSTALL docs.



From insane at oneinsane.net  Thu Mar  8 22:11:31 2001
From: insane at oneinsane.net (Ron Rosson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:11:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto Configure Announcement list
Message-ID: <20010308131131.A77975@mental.oneinsane.net>

I must be missing something here but I am having a hell of a time trying
to figure out how to get mailman configured as an annoucement list. 

TIA
-- 
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insane at oneinsane.net     	            and all was /dev/null and *void()
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From TNguyen at Connex.com  Thu Mar  8 22:50:16 2001
From: TNguyen at Connex.com (Thang Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:50:16 -0800 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! emergency please
Message-ID: <B14BF8753E65D211ABCA00104B301EF501C6EDA5@cairn-gorm.cragtech.com>

Hi all,

  I'm trying to setup the mailman 2.x and i encountered a problem, which
other stuff seem to works fine so far, but after the request to subscribed
to the list, it sent me an email for the confirmation. but when I reply, it
forked the "wrapper mailcmd test" and I saw my maillog status said sent, but
all my mails queued up in the /home/mailman/qfiles/xxxxxxxxxxx  .. and it
doesn't send out, and the user wasn't created. can anyone help please?

Thanks you.

TG



From insane at oneinsane.net  Thu Mar  8 23:05:22 2001
From: insane at oneinsane.net (Ron Rosson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:05:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto Configure Announcement list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103081328160.98928-100000@altenergystore.com>; from nick@v-space.org on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:29:11PM -0800
References: <20010308131131.A77975@mental.oneinsane.net> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103081328160.98928-100000@altenergystore.com>
Message-ID: <20010308140522.B77975@mental.oneinsane.net>

* Nick Albright (nick at v-space.org) [010308 13:39]:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ron Rosson wrote:
> 
> > I must be missing something here but I am having a hell of a time trying
> > to figure out how to get mailman configured as an annoucement list. 
> 
>   My first guess would be to change the privacy options to "Post must be
> approved by Moderator" and "Restrict posting to list members".
> 
>   Just putting that out there, :)


Then the owner of the list is going to get a ton of messages for
administrative requests.

TIA
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The InSaNe One                 			      rm -rf *
insane at oneinsane.net     	            and all was /dev/null and *void()
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              The best things in life are free, but the
                expensive ones are still worth a look.



From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Mar  8 23:21:28 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! emergency please
In-Reply-To: <B14BF8753E65D211ABCA00104B301EF501C6EDA5@cairn-gorm.cragtech.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081417570.4804-100000@pirk.com>

Make sure you have installed the crontab files...

in /home/mailman/cron there is a file called crontab.in
As the user mailman, run crontab -e 
(to edit the user mailman's crontab and read in crontab.in or copy
paste it into the edit section. Exit the editor and the crontab is 
installed. This should fix the problem. Essentially, Mailman uses
cron to "send" mail via qrunner.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Thang Nguyen wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
>   I'm trying to setup the mailman 2.x and i encountered a problem, which
> other stuff seem to works fine so far, but after the request to subscribed
> to the list, it sent me an email for the confirmation. but when I reply, it
> forked the "wrapper mailcmd test" and I saw my maillog status said sent, but
> all my mails queued up in the /home/mailman/qfiles/xxxxxxxxxxx  .. and it
> doesn't send out, and the user wasn't created. can anyone help please?
> 
> Thanks you.
> 
> TG
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar  9 00:03:47 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:03:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto Configure Announcement list
In-Reply-To: <20010308140522.B77975@mental.oneinsane.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081455210.4804-100000@pirk.com>

I just tried to set one up... You are right, there does not seem to
be any "good" options for doing announce only.

Here is one possibility, under "Details" of addresses of members accepted
for posting (field below "restrict posting to members"):

o If member_posting_only is 'yes', then entries added here will have 
  posting privilege in addition to list members. 
o If member_posting_only is 'no', then only the posters listed here will 
  be able to post without admin approval. 

Put the admin's e-mail in this box, and set member posting to "no".

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ron Rosson wrote:

> * Nick Albright (nick at v-space.org) [010308 13:39]:
> > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ron Rosson wrote:
> > 
> > > I must be missing something here but I am having a hell of a time trying
> > > to figure out how to get mailman configured as an annoucement list. 
> > 
> >   My first guess would be to change the privacy options to "Post must be
> > approved by Moderator" and "Restrict posting to list members".
> > 
> >   Just putting that out there, :)
> 
> 
> Then the owner of the list is going to get a ton of messages for
> administrative requests.
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ron Rosson          			      ... and a UNIX user said ...
> The InSaNe One                 			      rm -rf *
> insane at oneinsane.net     	            and all was /dev/null and *void()
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>               The best things in life are free, but the
>                 expensive ones are still worth a look.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From shannon at 4charity.com  Fri Mar  9 00:26:02 2001
From: shannon at 4charity.com (Shannon McCormick)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:26:02 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman in our product
Message-ID: <HOEKJLPDCGPGMDKHIBFBEEGICJAA.shannon@4charity.com>

Hi,

My name is Shannon McCormick and I am a member of the technology team @
4charity http://www.4charity.com.  We are an Application Service Provider
(ASP) for the Non-Profit industry.  We are currently developing a Email List
Management product that we will make available to our customers.  We are
interested in using Mailman as the underlying email engine for sending
messages and handling bounces.  We are building the entire user interface
and managing/storing the list, message  and user information ourselves.  We
will be charging our customers by some metric to use our product.  What
license is Mailman covered by (I believe it is the GNU GPL)?  Does Mailman's
license allow it to be used in this capacity?

Thank you, Shannon

Shannon McCormick
4charity.com
55 Merchant Street, Suite 2028
Honolulu, HI 96813 USA
direct: 808.585.6164
cell: 808.781.6974
fax: 808.585.7394
mailto:shannon at 4charity.com
http://www.4charity.com




From insane at oneinsane.net  Fri Mar  9 00:29:49 2001
From: insane at oneinsane.net (Ron Rosson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:29:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto Configure Announcement list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081455210.4804-100000@pirk.com>; from orion@deathcon.com on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:03:47PM -0800
References: <20010308140522.B77975@mental.oneinsane.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081455210.4804-100000@pirk.com>
Message-ID: <20010308152949.B78502@mental.oneinsane.net>

Definately sounds like something that would be needed.. I wonder if it
is planned for the alpha.

TIA

* Orion (Steve Pirk) (orion at deathcon.com) [010308 15:09]:
> I just tried to set one up... You are right, there does not seem to
> be any "good" options for doing announce only.
> 
> Here is one possibility, under "Details" of addresses of members accepted
> for posting (field below "restrict posting to members"):
> 
> o If member_posting_only is 'yes', then entries added here will have 
>   posting privilege in addition to list members. 
> o If member_posting_only is 'no', then only the posters listed here will 
>   be able to post without admin approval. 
> 
> Put the admin's e-mail in this box, and set member posting to "no".
> 
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ron Rosson wrote:
> 
> > * Nick Albright (nick at v-space.org) [010308 13:39]:
> > > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ron Rosson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I must be missing something here but I am having a hell of a time trying
> > > > to figure out how to get mailman configured as an annoucement list. 
> > > 
> > >   My first guess would be to change the privacy options to "Post must be
> > > approved by Moderator" and "Restrict posting to list members".
> > > 
> > >   Just putting that out there, :)
> > 
> > 
> > Then the owner of the list is going to get a ton of messages for
> > administrative requests.
> > 
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The InSaNe One                 			      rm -rf *
insane at oneinsane.net     	            and all was /dev/null and *void()
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.



From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Fri Mar  9 01:03:40 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:03:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman in our product
References: <HOEKJLPDCGPGMDKHIBFBEEGICJAA.shannon@4charity.com>
Message-ID: <3AA81DDC.7C903937@uts.edu.au>

From memory, you can do whatever you like to GPL'd software as long as
you dont redistribute it. If you need to redistribute it, you must also
release the source code to people you sell it to. Yes, you're allowed to
sell it, however it must be done under the GPL, which means that your
customers can also sell it, give it away, or whatever they like. You
would have no control over this.

However, as an ASP, you're probably not going to redistribute it anyway,
as it will be staying on your server.

It would be polite, though not required, to release the source to any
modifications you make back to the mailman developers so that they can
include any enhancements you create in future versions.

Go read the GPL. It's available at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.txt

Enjoy. May the source be with you. (and all that crap.)

Shannon McCormick wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My name is Shannon McCormick and I am a member of the technology team @
> 4charity http://www.4charity.com.  We are an Application Service Provider
> (ASP) for the Non-Profit industry.  We are currently developing a Email List
> Management product that we will make available to our customers.  We are
> interested in using Mailman as the underlying email engine for sending
> messages and handling bounces.  We are building the entire user interface
> and managing/storing the list, message  and user information ourselves.  We
> will be charging our customers by some metric to use our product.  What
> license is Mailman covered by (I believe it is the GNU GPL)?  Does Mailman's
> license allow it to be used in this capacity?
> 
> Thank you, Shannon
> 
> Shannon McCormick
> 4charity.com
> 55 Merchant Street, Suite 2028
> Honolulu, HI 96813 USA
> direct: 808.585.6164
> cell: 808.781.6974
> fax: 808.585.7394
> mailto:shannon at 4charity.com
> http://www.4charity.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Mar  9 01:50:56 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:50:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 3rd REPOST: File Ownerships
Message-ID: <3AA828F0.BE4ED253@pcraft.com>

	Okay, this is now the third time I'm posting this and no one has come
up with a reason, nor solution for this yet.

	My mailman installation has all of the files owned by mailman.mailman,
however when you log in through the admin interface, it'll blow up
saying that it doesn't have permission to access the request.db and t he
only way to fix that is to change the ownership to the httpd daemon
(httpd.daemon).  However, what the checkdb crontab runs, it blows up
because that same file is not owned by mailman.mailman.  What gives?

	AMK4

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From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Mar  9 02:00:57 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:00:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 3rd REPOST: File Ownerships
Message-ID: <200103090058.QAA21160@utopia.west.sun.com>

> 	My mailman installation has all of the files owned by mailman.mailman,
> however when you log in through the admin interface, it'll blow up
> saying that it doesn't have permission to access the request.db and t he
> only way to fix that is to change the ownership to the httpd daemon
> (httpd.daemon). 

What says "that's the only way to fix that"?

> However, what the checkdb crontab runs, it blows up
> because that same file is not owned by mailman.mailman. 

How do you know it's because it's not mailman.mailman?  How do
you know it's not "because it's not *.mailman"?

> What gives?

I dunno.  My request.db:

-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman        2 Mar  8 17:00 request.db

check_perms has no problem with it; neither does my webserver, which
runs as "nobody"; neither do the CGI scripts.




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Mar  9 02:01:31 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:31:31 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....
In-Reply-To: <3AA7F27A.A9DB0DF1@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103090630010.3201-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Mar 8, 2001 at 12:58, Dan Mick wrote:

>>         Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
>>         script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)
>
>And this means *EXACTLY* what it says.  The script wanted to be run with a GID
>of 1.  But it got 12.

I feel that message isn't very clear "Wanted x, got y" could also be
interpreted the other way. That's what happens most of the time,
despite the "reconfigure?"

Perhaps "Compiled for 1, run with 12" would be better?




From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar  9 02:18:44 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:18:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 3rd REPOST: File Ownerships
In-Reply-To: <3AA828F0.BE4ED253@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081657120.4804-100000@pirk.com>

Have you run the "set group sticky bit" commands?
The files should be: 
ls -l /home/mailman/lists/somelist/request.db
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         2 Mar  7 17:00 request.db
And the directory permissions should be:
drwxrwsr-x  10 mailman  mailman      1024 Mar  8 14:32 lists/
and
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 Mar  8 17:00 somelist/

The commands run (as root) are:
(assuming mailman installed in /home/mailman)
cd /home/mailman
chgrp mailman . (or chgrp -R mailman . if post install change)
chmod a+rx,g+ws . (or chmod -R a+rx,g+ws . if post install change)

I am not sure if running the chmod a+rx,g+ws will modify the files
if run after installation. Since this command is meant to be run
before install, I am not sure what effect it will have on the existing
files.

Let us know if this hel;ps at all. I have never seen a situation where
the webserver could not access the mailman files... Also, make sure
the following is in your webserver config for the domain that you
run the web interface under:
ScriptAlias /mailman /home/mailman/cgi-bin

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> 
> 	Okay, this is now the third time I'm posting this and no one has come
> up with a reason, nor solution for this yet.
> 
> 	My mailman installation has all of the files owned by mailman.mailman,
> however when you log in through the admin interface, it'll blow up
> saying that it doesn't have permission to access the request.db and t he
> only way to fix that is to change the ownership to the httpd daemon
> (httpd.daemon).  However, what the checkdb crontab runs, it blows up
> because that same file is not owned by mailman.mailman.  What gives?
> 
> 	AMK4
> 
> --
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>   |____________________________________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From mailman at tgeller.com  Fri Mar  9 02:58:02 2001
From: mailman at tgeller.com (Tom Geller)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:58:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The perennial question: Moving lists?
Message-ID: <a05010409b6cde8cb84a6@[216.200.211.98]>

I went through the archives and noticed that someone asks the same 
question every month: "How do I move a list from one machine to 
another?". But no-one every answers it!

But what the hell -- I'll try my hand. Here goes... Umm... How do I 
move a list from one machine to another? It seems this is something 
that should be in the FAQ...

Thanks,
-- 

          Tom Geller  *  San Francisco * tgeller.com
bandwidthpr.com, openppc.org, suespammers.org, popcomputers.com



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Mar  9 03:02:56 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:02:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The perennial question: Moving lists?
Message-ID: <200103090200.SAA25077@utopia.west.sun.com>

I've answered it at least three separate times.

I don't maintain the FAQ.


> I went through the archives and noticed that someone asks the same 
> question every month: "How do I move a list from one machine to 
> another?". But no-one every answers it!
> 
> But what the hell -- I'll try my hand. Here goes... Umm... How do I 
> move a list from one machine to another? It seems this is something 
> that should be in the FAQ...




From mailman at tgeller.com  Fri Mar  9 03:05:48 2001
From: mailman at tgeller.com (Tom Geller)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:05:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The perennial question: Moving lists?
In-Reply-To: <200103090200.SAA25077@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200103090200.SAA25077@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <a0501040ab6cdeac7fbdb@[216.200.211.98]>

Dan Mick writes:

>I've answered it at least three separate times.

If you could point me to a URL (to, for example, you answering that 
question in the mailing list archives), that would be a big help.

Thanks,
-- 

          Tom Geller  *  San Francisco * tgeller.com
bandwidthpr.com, openppc.org, suespammers.org, popcomputers.com



From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar  9 03:28:45 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The perennial question: Moving lists?
In-Reply-To: <a05010409b6cde8cb84a6@[216.200.211.98]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103081815130.4804-100000@pirk.com>

The way I did it was to tar up the entire contents of
/home/mailman making sure that file ownership and permissions
were retained in the tar file.

I then extracted the tarball into /home/mailman on the target
machine. I added the aliases, and installed the crontab stuff.
I then configured the web server to "mimic" the old machine's
site (with a new 3rd level name - newmail.somedomain.com where
the old one was mail.somedomain.com).

Optional step: Since my old mailman was a previous version, I
downloaded and installed the new version over the old. It seemed 
to convert all lists and html stuff fine.

Once I actually got it all working (web and the ablility to sign
up as a new user), I then switched DNS to point all mail to the
new box (changed mx record). I then changed DNS for the web server.

I then sent a test message out to the list (late in the evening).
By the time anyone replied, the DNS changes were being seen by the
users (mx was the moost important). I have not seen any messages
go to the old server since then.

Hope this give you a broad overview. I believe I covered all the
steps. This methos would probably not work well in moving one list
from server "A" to an existing mailman install on server "B". I was
not able to install a "single" list into an existing installation.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Tom Geller wrote:

> I went through the archives and noticed that someone asks the same 
> question every month: "How do I move a list from one machine to 
> another?". But no-one every answers it!
> 
> But what the hell -- I'll try my hand. Here goes... Umm... How do I 
> move a list from one machine to another? It seems this is something 
> that should be in the FAQ...
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> 
>           Tom Geller  *  San Francisco * tgeller.com
> bandwidthpr.com, openppc.org, suespammers.org, popcomputers.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Fri Mar  9 05:07:42 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:07:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman in our product
In-Reply-To: <HOEKJLPDCGPGMDKHIBFBEEGICJAA.shannon@4charity.com>
References: <HOEKJLPDCGPGMDKHIBFBEEGICJAA.shannon@4charity.com>
Message-ID: <1341.208.180.77.238.984110862.squirrel@hutnick.com>

> Hi,

Hi, Shannon.

> My name is Shannon McCormick and I am a member of the technology
> team @ 4charity http://www.4charity.com.  We are an Application
> Service Provider (ASP) for the Non-Profit industry.  We are
> currently developing a Email List Management product that we will
> make available to our customers.  We are interested in using
> Mailman as the underlying email engine for sending messages and
> handling bounces.  We are building the entire user interface and
> managing/storing the list, message  and user information
> ourselves.  We will be charging our customers by some metric to
> use our product.  What license is Mailman covered by (I believe
> it is the GNU GPL)?  Does Mailman's license allow it to be used
> in this capacity?

It seems that you are asking for legal advice.  I think that the best
thing to do would be to have your legal department look at the GPL. 
You wouldn't really rely (or bet your business) on legal advice from a
bunch of hackers, would you?

Anyway, I think you would be fine.  I charge for services based on
Free Software all the time.

-Peter





From mailman-users at comp-u-port.net  Fri Mar  9 05:19:39 2001
From: mailman-users at comp-u-port.net (mailman-users at comp-u-port.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:19:39 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Discard message and forward message to third party failed
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.31.0103082248150.357-100000@pugsley.comp-u-port.net>

Background:
-----------
Mailman v2.0
RedHat Linux 5.2
Python v1.5.2
Sendmail 8.9.3

(Yes, this machines needs some serious upgrading, but then it is only
a 486/66! :)


Problem:
--------

We had a post to a closed list that went into the pending queue.
List Admin wanted to discard the message, but forward it to a third
party, too.  They marked the discard radio button, checked the
"Additionally, forward..." check box, and entered the address to
forward the message to.  Cool, just want we want.

They submitted the web page, but never received the message.  :(

Looking at the sendmail logs it shows that the list admin fat fingered
the forward to address such that address had an invalid domain.  (i.e.
properaddress at .domain.name - notice the extra dot.)

sendmail logs shows two lines:

WAA32533: <properaddress at .domain.name>... Invalid host name
WAA32533: from=<mailing-list-admin at lists.domain.name>, size=4430,
class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]

Now the problem.  The forwarded message has disappeared!  It is not in
the list admins, site admin, mailman, or postmaster's mailbox.  Nor,
is it in the mail queue.

The Mailman logs show the message being discarded (in logs/vette)
and being handed of to smtp in logs/smtp, but nothing in
logs/smtp-failure.

Since I don't know what the forwarded message headers looked like, I
can not tell if this is a sendmail or mailman issue.  Does anybody
have any ideas?  Shouldn't the return-path of the message have been
the list-admin address?  Shouldn't sendmail as the last resort drop
the message into postmaster's mailbox?

Is this a bug in sendmail or Mailman?


--
Derek






From pete at smtl.co.uk  Fri Mar  9 13:48:01 2001
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:48:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Desperate plea for help ....
Message-ID: <200103091248.MAA03171@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

Firstly, thanks to you all for your prompt responses to my plea.

I've had some questions about our filesystem layout.  I've put a brief
description at the end of the message.

Progress so far regarding the various emails, with, perhaps the most
promising progress at the start from Travis:

----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Travis" == Travis Llewellyn <travisll at comfedcu.org> writes:
    Travis> Pete, What does you aliases file look like?

# Mailman mailing list manager
mailman: pete
mailman-owner: mailman

## mailmantest mailing list
test:                    "|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

    Travis> Also if you su to mail what happen when you run it
    Travis> manually?

Ah ha - if I su to mail and run 
   /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test

it doesn't complain !  It just sits there waiting for input. This is
who it thinks I am:

    #  su mail
    $ id
    uid=8(mail) gid=12(mail) groups=12(mail)

What does this mean ?  Have I misconfigured something (sounds like I
have) ?
-----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Hutnick <peter-lists at hutnick.com> writes:
    Peter> Is wrapper setgid mailman?

Yep:

-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     31163 Mar  1 12:59 /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Thoene <lists at thoene.net> writes:


    Matt> Pete, Have you tried doing a chmod -R 655 /mailman?  I was
    Matt> having similiar issues with no resolution and I read an
    Matt> archived post that suggested this.  It fixed my problem.

Tried this - I still get the same problem.

----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher Kolar <ckolar at aurora.edu> writes:

    Christopher> I know that you said that you followed the install
    Christopher> docs, but just to make sure did you su - mailman
    Christopher> before running configure?  You cannot run ./configure
    Christopher> and ./make install as root.

Yes - I did all of this after su mailman.  
I just tried again with 2.0.2 - same error message.
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Ryan <chris at greatbridge.com> writes:


    Chris> It's a shot in the dark but the only thing i can think of
    Chris> is it may be trying to run a different command? like maybe
    Chris> wrapper and mail-wrapper ??? Like I said it's a shot in the
    Chris> dark.

I'm sure it's trying the correct command - I installed mailman 2.0.2
10 minutes ago, and the mail logfiles show this:

Mar  9 10:57:25 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?) 
Mar  9 10:57:25 ds9 sendmail[11949]: f29AvOT11948: to="|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", ctladdr=<test-request at smtl.co.uk> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=60853, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 



ls -l /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman     31163 Mar  9 10:47
/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

So it looks as if the correct wrapper is being called.
-----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Nick" == Nick Albright <nick.albright at v-space.org> writes:


    Nick>   Quick thougths, did you do a 'make clean' before
    Nick> reconfiguring?  Then do the 'configure' line below, and
    Nick> 'make' and 'make install'.  (I think those are the correct
    Nick> last 2 steps, I do know you need to make clean then do the
    Nick> configure for the changes to take effect)

Yep. I also cleaned everything out and started again with a clean
install, but no joy.
----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Pirk <Orion> writes:

    Steve> I replied to this once before I believe... Have you tried
    Steve> using "1" instead of "12"? I would mess around with various
    Steve> settings, trying it each time.

I did it with 
  --with-mail-gid=1

This is the wrapper now:
     -rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman     31163 Mar  9 11:26 linux/mail/wrapper

But I still get this message:

Mar  9 11:30:12 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?) 
Mar  9 11:30:12 ds9 sendmail[15822]: f29BUCT15821: to="|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", ctladdr=<test-request at smtl.co.uk> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=60853, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2

    Steve> Make sure you "make install" as user mailman. I could be
    Steve> that some of the files cannot be exec'd properly because of
    Steve> permissions....

I did the configure, build and install as mailman.

----------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com> writes:

    Dan> And this means *EXACTLY* what it says.  The script wanted to
    Dan> be run with a GID of 1.  But it got 12.

    Dan> You must not be running the wrapper you think you're running.
    Dan> Perhaps the install step didn't actually work.

I know this isn't the case, as I stripped it all out, and checked that 
none of the files were on the system, then installed, ran check_perms
etc (about 2-3 times to get permissions OK), and now the files are
there.   


-----------------------------------------------

>>>>> "Teo" == Teo de Hesselle <teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au> writes:

    Teo> sorry - you confused me. You should recompile with
    Teo> --with-mail-gid=12 

I've tried this - same message in mailog every time.

-------------------------------------------------
>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Lay <S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk> writes:

    Steve> OK, seeing as your desperate ;-)

    Steve> I think you are probably looking for something more
    Steve> complicated than it is, here's my guess at what may be
    Steve> happening:

    >> ./configure --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
    >> --exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
    >> --with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
    >> --with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib --with-mail-gid='mail'
    >> --with-cgi-gid='nobody' --with-cgi-extension='.cgi'

    Steve> So the mail wrapper program is in
    Steve> /share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux/mail/wrapper, right?

    >> However, if I run the following by hand:
    >> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2

/share/mailman is a link to /share/store/mailman-2.0.1, so the wraper
program can be accessed either direct as
	/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux/mail/wrapper 
*or* as
     /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper 

(Again, this is all related to the Eidelon file system we use).

    Steve> So what is in /share/mailman/linux?  Is this where you're
    Steve> building it from?

I build it in /share/store/mailman-2.0.1/src/mailman-2.0.1
It installs into /share/store/mailman-2.0.1
And then I do a  whole lot of linking stuff.


    >> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure
    >> to take 0?)

    Steve> My guess is that you are fogetting to run "make install"
    Steve> after running ./configure.  In other words, the copy of the
    Steve> wrapper in the build directory works fine but the copy
    Steve> which is actually being used by your MTA is not.

Again, I have checked this out and it isn't the case - the stat
details on the file confirm that the correct file is being used.

-------------------------------------------
    Steve> It's a bit of a
    Steve> long shot but at least this way you know that mailman-users
    Steve> is actually alive.

And don't think it's not appreciated - I have spent all morning trying 
out the various solutions you guys have kindly sent. Unfortunately
nothing so far has worked, but I'm optimistic about Travis' test,
running the wrapper after su to mail. Why does this not complain,
unlike everything else I've tried ?  Does this ring a bell with
anyone? 



Another thing that occurred to me was whether I had the fs mounted
correctly - but it seems OK:
 /dev/sda6               /share                  ext2    defaults        1 2

Finally, it appears I'm not the only one experiencing these problems - 
I had an email from another potential user this morning saying that he 
had exactly the same problem.

So, I have to go to a boring meeting for the rest if the day. Let's
hope someone can see the solution, and I'll have a go tonight or next
week.

Thanks guys, and have a good w/e.
Pete
---------------------------------




Brief note about the Eidelon file system layout.
=================================================

Essentially we use the Eidelon file system standard. 
	    http://www.adl.dmt.csiro.au/unix/efsstd.html

What this means is that we install the package in, for example,
/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/ then make a symbolic link from
/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/ to /share/mailman. We then run a script
that populates /share/links/linux/bin with links to
/share/mailman/linux/bin etc. This means that we can change versions
of a package just by changing the link which /share/mailman points to.

Until the Autumn, we were running Linux and SunOS workstations, and
this allowed us to keep 2 sets of binaries on the system without too
much trouble.



From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Mar  9 15:31:34 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Conversion from Mailman 2.0 to Mailman 2.0.2
Message-ID: <3AA8E946.357A07A4@isu.edu>

What is the process step to upgrading from mailman 2.0 to mailman 2.0.2?

After I untar the file
do I just need to run "make install" or do I run "./configure " first
and this should find my mailman
source directory at /home/mailman. (and of course turning off the web
server, and MTA client, and clearing the qfiles before running this
command).

Plead respond to wheakory at isu.edu
Thank you
--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From jnichols at cysive.com  Fri Mar  9 17:44:52 2001
From: jnichols at cysive.com (Jason Nichols)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nntp setup question
Message-ID: <AOEFKGGKEDFPJNHFIDJDIEKBCEAA.jnichols@cysive.com>

I can't seem to find any information about setting up the news gateway other
then to make sure that your computer has access to the nntp
server/computer...

My question is this.  What would I have to modify in order to connect to a
nntp server that requires ssl, and a user name/password?



Thanks,

j




From vamsi at siliconcorp.com  Fri Mar  9 17:44:43 2001
From: vamsi at siliconcorp.com (Vamsi Musunuru)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:44:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation query
Message-ID: <3AA9087B.3668DB54@siliconcorp.com>

I just got through installing Mailman as per the instruction in
"INSTALL" document.  My question is what should be the "RootDocument"
path for Mailman so that the URLs sent automatically when a new list is
created are resolved properly?

Right now, the URL are not resolved.

--
Sincerely,
Vamsi M.





From jzeder at aristatech.com  Fri Mar  9 19:16:54 2001
From: jzeder at aristatech.com (John Zeder)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman administrative questions
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010309123030.00c23740@mail.aristatech.com>

I did not see the answers to my questions at your Web site.

I arrived here by clicking on program documentation for
PairList mail processing offered by pair Networks.

I am trying to uncover what capabilities Mailman offers
with regards to an email (not Web) interface for administrative
tasks.

For example, as a list manager, can I use email commands to add
or delete individual subscribers, add or delete lists of
subscribers, control whether subscribers receive welcoming (or
goodbye) message when *I* subscribe or unsubscribe them, etc.

Is there information anywhere that will list, in detail, what
administrative tasks can be performed directly by email commands?

My list contains about 100,000 subscribers. Manually searching for
an address through a list of 100,000 to delete them is not
practical.

I would appreciate any information you can provide.

Thanks.

John




From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Fri Mar  9 20:12:21 2001
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find some fundemental documentation
Message-ID: <8a5iatosq601dlclkrpohb6e6iahhcatil@4ax.com>

I have Debian installed on my machine, and have installed Mailman from
the Debian package.

Part of the installation process seems to have created cron job which
does something called "gate_news"

The implication of this is that it is somehow linking news with the
lists - but how/what/why?  I can find no documentation about this
feature, other than in the gate_news program itself which says it is
doing this by polling an NNTP server.

But I can't find anything in Defaults.py about this, nor in any other
place that I can think of.

What do I need to do to set up a mail list which is connected to a
news_group, so that list members see all the newsgroup postings, and
mail sent to the list will also propagate to the newsgroup?


TIA



Alan

alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk
http://www.chandler.u-net.com



From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar  9 21:36:09 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:36:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find some fundemental documentation
In-Reply-To: <8a5iatosq601dlclkrpohb6e6iahhcatil@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091234020.6924-100000@pirk.com>

I believe the "options" for this function are under the
Mail-News and News-Mail gateways link in the Admin menus.
http://yourhost.com/mailman/admin/yourlist/

Not sure where any other documentation resides (except
people on this list :-)

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Alan Chandler wrote:

> I have Debian installed on my machine, and have installed Mailman from
> the Debian package.
> 
> Part of the installation process seems to have created cron job which
> does something called "gate_news"
> 
> The implication of this is that it is somehow linking news with the
> lists - but how/what/why?  I can find no documentation about this
> feature, other than in the gate_news program itself which says it is
> doing this by polling an NNTP server.
> 
> But I can't find anything in Defaults.py about this, nor in any other
> place that I can think of.
> 
> What do I need to do to set up a mail list which is connected to a
> news_group, so that list members see all the newsgroup postings, and
> mail sent to the list will also propagate to the newsgroup?
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk
> http://www.chandler.u-net.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Mar  9 21:52:15 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:52:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find some fundemental documentation
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091234020.6924-100000@pirk.com>
Message-ID: <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>


"Orion (Steve Pirk)" wrote:
> 
> I believe the "options" for this function are under the
> Mail-News and News-Mail gateways link in the Admin menus.
> http://yourhost.com/mailman/admin/yourlist/
> 
> Not sure where any other documentation resides (except
> people on this list :-)

http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

which you can easily find as links from www.list.org, the home Mailman
site.  It's not even difficult.



From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Fri Mar  9 22:18:11 2001
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (Michael Dunston)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:18:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using htdig with private archives?
In-Reply-To: <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>
References: <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010309211811.13973@mail.music.vt.edu>

Does anyone know if/how htdig can be used to index and search private
list archives?
Thanks.

. . .  .  .   .   .    .    .     .     .
Michael Dunston





From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Fri Mar  9 22:45:04 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:45:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using htdig with private archives?
In-Reply-To: <20010309211811.13973@mail.music.vt.edu>
References: <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3AA95CF0.26683.166621A@localhost>

On 9 Mar 2001, at 16:18, Michael Dunston wrote:
> Does anyone know if/how htdig can be used to index and search private
> list archives?
Try to just set it as public just the time you are running htdig and 
then set as private again ...
or optionally tun a second http server on a different port with 
different permissions ...


Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From dan at dpcsys.com  Fri Mar  9 23:40:18 2001
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:40:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using htdig with private archives?
In-Reply-To: <20010309211811.13973@mail.music.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103091436510.80777-100000@java2.dpcsys.com>

On Mar 9, Michael Dunston wrote:
>Does anyone know if/how htdig can be used to index and search private
>list archives?

Use the htdig local_urls: configuration variable to
give htdig the Unix path of the archives.

start_url:   http://www.yoursite.com/lists/
local_urls:  http://www.yoursite.com/lists/=/usr/mailman/archives/listname
local_urls_only:  true
local_default_doc:    index.html

Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
 Dana Point Communications, Inc.                            dan at dpcsys.com
 Dana Point, California  83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4   8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82




From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Sat Mar 10 01:26:13 2001
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:26:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find some fundemental documentation
In-Reply-To: <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103091234020.6924-100000@pirk.com> <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <alsiatcap9hqun5m924djj097srf7gr0g0@4ax.com>

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:52:15 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:

>
>
>"Orion (Steve Pirk)" wrote:
>> 
>> I believe the "options" for this function are under the
>> Mail-News and News-Mail gateways link in the Admin menus.
>> http://yourhost.com/mailman/admin/yourlist/
>> 
>> Not sure where any other documentation resides (except
>> people on this list :-)
>
>http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html
>
>which you can easily find as links from www.list.org, the home Mailman
>site.  It's not even difficult.

Agreed its not difficult if you know where to look.  But with the
whole of this package, the simple overview which explains the basic
concepts and points you in the right direction is missing. All
documents I've read start at the deep end and assume you've already
installed and fully understand how it works/.

I spent ages trying to understand how messages were passed from my MTA
to Mailman - couldn't find any documentation anywhere.  It was ONLY
when I actually created a list that it became obvious from what the
aliases it told me to create was that it was piping into a program.

Now I like to plan what I am going to do and check out the
documentation for a number of competing packages before jumping.  With
Mailman its been a stuggle all the way.


Alan

alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk
http://www.chandler.u-net.com



From paulp at ActiveState.com  Sat Mar 10 02:26:28 2001
From: paulp at ActiveState.com (Paul Prescod)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:26:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding user
Message-ID: <3AA982C4.EDBA5561@ActiveState.com>

If you have a list with thousands of participants, it becomes very hard
to find someone when you get a bounce that is missing a username. You
might get bounces that are no more useful than: "something went wrong at
fyy.co.uk". The member list is sorted by username and split into pages a
little at a time so it seems you have to flip through all of the pages.
Is there any better way?

-- 
Python:
    Programming the way
    Guido
    indented it.



From paulp at ActiveState.com  Sat Mar 10 02:40:15 2001
From: paulp at ActiveState.com (Paul Prescod)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:40:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding user
References: <3AA982C4.EDBA5561@ActiveState.com>
Message-ID: <3AA985FF.B475BF20@ActiveState.com>

Sorry, I meant to ask whether there was any way for a list adminstrator
to do the find user thing through the administration interface without
every list administrator having an account on the machine running the
list. I realize that there are easy ways to do it from the command line
but our list administrators do not in general have command line
access...
-- 
Python:
    Programming the way
    Guido
    indented it.



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Sat Mar 10 03:29:45 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:29:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't find some fundemental documentation
Message-ID: <200103100227.SAA01735@utopia.west.sun.com>

> >> Not sure where any other documentation resides (except
> >> people on this list :-)
> >
> >http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html
> >
> >which you can easily find as links from www.list.org, the home Mailman
> >site.  It's not even difficult.
> 
> Agreed its not difficult if you know where to look. 

My point was that a document called "Mailman Administration" is 
probably an excellent starting place for how to administer
Mailman.  That's all.  No one's trying to claim that the 
existing doc is perfect, but it exists, and after all, 
one click on one hyperlink and a search for "news" got me
there; I don't think, for this particular case, it could
have been much easier.




From Charles at Jury.Com  Sat Mar 10 07:41:24 2001
From: Charles at Jury.Com (Charles F. Benninghoff III)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:41:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation of MailMan
Message-ID: <NEBBLIAKPKOJGNMGEGOOOEKPCFAA.Charles@Jury.Com>

Hi!

Just starting up a web server is a daunting task.  Even more daunting is
installing MailMan.

Who can do that for me?  What might be the cost?

I have a RAQ 3i server with 20 Gigs of space.

Thanks,
Charles Benninghoff
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From room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org  Sat Mar 10 14:08:49 2001
From: room_mailman at bbs.pixel.citadel.org (Patriot)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:08:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] > [#NEBBLIAKPKOJGNMGEGOOOEKPCFAA.Charles@Jury.Com] Mar 10 2
Message-ID: <315420@bbs.pixel.citadel.org>

 > [#NEBBLIAKPKOJGNMGEGOOOEKPCFAA.Charles at Jury.Com] Mar 10 2001 1:41am 
from Charles F. Benninghoff III <Charles at Jury.Com>      
 >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation of MailMan     
 >Hi!     
     
 >     
     
 >Just starting up a web server is a daunting task.  Even more daunting is 
    
     
 >installing MailMan.     
     
 >     
     
 >Who can do that for me?  What might be the cost?     
     
 >     
     
 >I have a RAQ 3i server with 20 Gigs of space.     
     
     
 I can do it, and I won't even charge.  I like to see things work.   
 smw at pixel.citadel.org if you want to contact me about it.  






From rpoe at warren-wilson.edu  Sat Mar 10 20:01:21 2001
From: rpoe at warren-wilson.edu (Sloan Poe)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:01:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman troubles
Message-ID: <20010310140121.C26415@mail>

Hi,
  I tried to visit the list archives but they don't seem
to be responding.. But thats not my problem at this point.

I have mailman running on a debian machine serving several
lists.  All of the list are acting quite normal except one.
Unfortunately the one is our most important list.  It has
roughly 1200 addresses in the list, and many people (not
all) are not receiving the postings.  I've gone through
all of the logs and can't seem to find any error that
this could be... I was one of the unfortunate users for 
a while.  That's how I discovered the problem. I tried
serveral things including unsubscribing myself and re-adding.
It didn't matter.  The only thing that worked was changing
from regular to digest mode.  But this solution is not a
very good one for several hundred users.  I'm using Sendmail
as the transport.  

Any clues?
please respond to mrklaw at mindless.com

thanks

-- 

Sloan Poe
mrklaw at mindless.com

If I'm insane, who are you in?



From b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw  Sun Mar 11 17:02:40 2001
From: b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw (Dick)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:02:40 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
Message-ID: <20010312000235.34CE.B6506057@csie.ntu.edu.tw>

Hi, the below is the result after I reply the confirm email to mailman.
this is a testing subscription, and it fails~
could you give me hints about it ?
thanx.

sincerely.

Forwarded by Dick <b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw>
----------------------- Original Message -----------------------
 From:    Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at matrix4.interserv.com.tw>
 To:      <b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw>
 Date:    Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:36:26 +0800
 Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
----

The original message was received at Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:36:25 +0800
from ms.csie.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.30.25]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test "
    (expanded from: <test-request at matrix4.interserv.com.tw>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 69, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 47, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test "... unknown mailer error 1

--------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------

-- 
Dick <b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw>
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From WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com  Sun Mar 11 20:15:51 2001
From: WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.X on a Suse sparc machine?
Message-ID: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA9370AE17F@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>

 
Has anyone tried to install Mailman 2.X on a Suse sparc.  I would be very
interested in your success / failure? I want to set up a server using Suse
on my Sparc20.  I am donating machine time to proftpd development to port
proftpd on the current 7.1 version and wondered how Mailman would also work
or not.  Thanks 
 
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From orion at deathcon.com  Sun Mar 11 21:48:48 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:48:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
In-Reply-To: <20010312000235.34CE.B6506057@csie.ntu.edu.tw>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103111245060.11814-100000@pirk.com>

I would check the permissions of you mailman install.
It looks like the setuid bit might be misssing.
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test "... unknown mailer error 1

Make sure you run the commands to properly set up the mailman dir:
% cd $prefix (mailman home dir)
% chgrp mailman .
% chmod a+rx,g+ws .

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Dick wrote:

> Hi, the below is the result after I reply the confirm email to mailman.
> this is a testing subscription, and it fails~
> could you give me hints about it ?
> thanx.
> 
> sincerely.
> 
> Forwarded by Dick <b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw>
> ----------------------- Original Message -----------------------
>  From:    Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at matrix4.interserv.com.tw>
>  To:      <b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw>
>  Date:    Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:36:26 +0800
>  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
> ----
> 
> The original message was received at Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:36:25 +0800
> from ms.csie.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.30.25]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test "
>     (expanded from: <test-request at matrix4.interserv.com.tw>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 69, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 47, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test "... unknown mailer error 1
> 
> --------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------
> 
> -- 
> Dick <b6506057 at csie.ntu.edu.tw>
> 




From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Mar 12 05:41:52 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:41:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Convert from mailman 2.0 to 2.2
Message-ID: <3AAC5390.5B30CDF6@isu.edu>

When upgrading from Mailman 2.0 to Mailman 2.2 . Do I run "./configure"
first then
"make install"

Or do I just need to run "make install"

Kory Wheatley




From newsletter at dcsinter.net  Mon Mar 12 10:58:03 2001
From: newsletter at dcsinter.net (Dynamic Computer Systems)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:58:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DCS Newsletter (03/11/2001)
Message-ID: <E14cP0f-00066A-00@mail.python.org>

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From jsilva at siauto.it  Mon Mar 12 12:37:10 2001
From: jsilva at siauto.it (Jacopo Silva)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:37:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password
Message-ID: <5.1.0.10.2.20010312115851.00a51440@achille.siauto.it>

Hi all,
my (2) mailman installations (2.0.1) seem to
work ok, but I still cannot get the sending of
monthly password reminders.

Some lists have the feature disabled but
others have "Yes" on the "send montly password reminders
to users" parameter.
And the crontab, is set up correctly,
even if I exec python -S mailpasswds manually I do not
get nothing sent to users, but the script exits normally.

How can I debug this failure? What am I missing?

Thanks,
Jacopo





From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Mon Mar 12 12:54:50 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:54:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password
References: <5.1.0.10.2.20010312115851.00a51440@achille.siauto.it>
Message-ID: <3AACB90A.7789A559@west.sun.com>


Jacopo Silva wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> my (2) mailman installations (2.0.1) seem to
> work ok, but I still cannot get the sending of
> monthly password reminders.
> 
> Some lists have the feature disabled but
> others have "Yes" on the "send montly password reminders
> to users" parameter.
> And the crontab, is set up correctly,
> even if I exec python -S mailpasswds manually I do not
> get nothing sent to users, but the script exits normally.
> 
> How can I debug this failure? What am I missing?

There has to be at least one public list for the reminders to work.
I'm not sure why this is.



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Mar 12 14:12:31 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:12:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using htdig with private archives?
In-Reply-To: <20010309211811.13973@mail.music.vt.edu>
References: <3AA9427F.E22AF171@west.sun.com>
 <20010309211811.13973@mail.music.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <v04220801b6d269a04389@[172.16.3.104]>

>Does anyone know if/how htdig can be used to index and search private
>list archives?
>Thanks.
>
>. . .  .  .   .   .    .    .     .     .
>Michael Dunston

Yes it is possible: the trick is maintaining privacy in a user 
friendly manner. The principle I adopted was that the search facility 
should not provide access to information nor "tease" the user by 
offering access via returned search results which would be denied 
through the normal archive access mechanism. By this principle the 
use of htdig should not compromise archive privacy in any way nor 
annoy the user by returning links which then fail for security 
reasons.

I took these requirements to mean:

1. avoid offering to search a list archive which is private unless 
the user is known at the search request time to be allowed access to 
the archive.

2.  avoid returning an hypertext in search results to which links to 
information for which access will be denied if the user clicks the 
link.

There are two patches posted that provide integration of htdig with 
Mailman built-in pipermail archiving that deal with these 
requirements.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=402422&group_ 
id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=402423&group_ 
id=103&atid=300103

With these patches, the solution adopted is:

1. the search form for a list is embedded in a list's archive content 
page. In the case of a private archive Mailman's regular 
authorisation scheme is applied so the user only gets to this page, 
and hence the search form. if they are authorised for the list and 
the appropriate authorisation cookie for the list is thus set up in 
the process. This means that only one list will searched at a time, 
which may or may not concern you.

2. the hypertext links returned by the htdig search use an additional 
Mailman cgi script called htdig, which is based on the private cgi 
script that mediates access to private archives in the standard 
Mailman release. The htdig script mediates access by checking whether 
an access through it is to a private archive and if so it ensures 
that the authorisation cookie is being provided for that list by the 
user's browser. If not, the access is refused. This has the advantage 
that even if an unauthorised user gets search results by some means, 
the security breach is limited. Also, the links indexed by htdig are 
homogeneous, with both public and private archive accesses going via 
the htdig script, so that if a list archive is changed from private 
to public or vice versa the htdig indices remain unchanged while 
security requirements are still met.

The patch does all the stuff necessary to make this Mailman/htdig 
integration work, including cron script to update htdig indices 
regularly, automatic generation of htdig configuration files for 
indexing each list's archives etc.

The posted patches can be applied to 2.0.1 and 2.0.2, and are based 
on patches I had posted for earlier beta releases of 2.0. I found a 
couple of glitches with the most recent patches. I've got modified 
versions of them which I can let you have if you want them.




From ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org  Mon Mar 12 13:52:22 2001
From: ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org (Muhammad Ashraf)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:52:22 +0500 (PKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of passwd to  our users twice
In-Reply-To: <E14cRaN-0005wy-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103121747470.27336-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>

I am in trouble because my mailman send a monthly reminder twice to a
users.this happens on each first day of each month.How i can prevent my
mailman send reminder only one time at each mouth's first day 
 
Regards,
Hope remains forever.
Ashraf
AIE




From vincent at life.be  Mon Mar 12 15:16:19 2001
From: vincent at life.be (Vincent Homans)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:16:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe pending subscription doesn't work.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103121507050.8783-100000@tomaat.life.be>

I think i have some misconfiguration, but I really can't find where.

I searched the archives and faq, but i couldn't find an answer.
(hope i didn't overlooked it)

Maybe soeone overhere has a good idea?

If i go to my pending subscriptions, and i want to subscribe someone, i
get this message:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 




What i find in my logs is:
----------------------------------------------------------------
subscribe:
Mar 12 14:40:02 2001 (26051) crew: pending tryout at life.be  tryout at life.be
----------------------------------------------------------------
error:
admin(26287): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
admin(26287): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(26287): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(26287):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(26287):     main()
admin(26287):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in
main
admin(26287):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(26287):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in
Handle
Requests
admin(26287):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(26287):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in
HandleRe
quest
admin(26287):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
admin(26287):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in
__handle
subscription
admin(26287):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
admin(26287): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
admin(26287): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(26287): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
egcs-2.91
.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
admin(26287): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(26287): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(26287): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(26287): sys.path       = /usr
admin(26287): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(26287): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(26287):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/mailman/www
admin(26287):   SERVER_ADDR: 10.68.1.10
admin(26287):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(26287):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 37
admin(26287):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(26287):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(26287):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/mailman/www/crew
admin(26287):   REMOTE_ADDR: 10.68.1.10
admin(26287):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) PHP/4.0.3pl1
admin(26287):   HTTP_VIA: 1.0 proxy.life.be:8080 (Squid/2.3.STABLE1)
admin(26287):   HTTP_COOKIE: test:admin=; crew:admin=2802000000690dd3ac3a7328000
00030633061393762333139323866386131323837363135393931623337373066336235623765316
261
admin(26287):   UNIQUE_ID: OqzTQwpEAQoAAGn2UAM
admin(26287):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(26287):   HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR: 10.68.1.28
admin(26287):   REMOTE_PORT: 2735
admin(26287):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(26287):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(26287):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18
i686)
admin(26287):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(26287):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg
, image/png, */*
admin(26287):   REQUEST_URI: /lists/admindb/crew
admin(26287):   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=259200
admin(26287):   QUERY_STRING: 
admin(26287):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(26287):   PATH_INFO: /crew
admin(26287):   HTTP_HOST: lists.life.be
admin(26287):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(26287):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.14 Server at
lists.life.be
 Port 80</ADDRESS>
admin(26287):   SCRIPT_NAME: /lists/admindb
admin(26287):   SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at life.be
admin(26287):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(26287):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(26287):   HTTP_REFERER: http://lists.life.be/lists/admindb/crew
admin(26287):   SERVER_NAME: lists.life.be
 


----------------------------------------------------------------


If I look which persons are subscribed (in the webinterface),
the person is not subscribe yet.

How should i debug this, or what more information should i send?


Thanks for looking into this!

vincent







From jeffh at streek.com  Mon Mar 12 15:19:28 2001
From: jeffh at streek.com (Jeff Hahn)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:19:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA choices - suggestions for sendmail alternatives???
Message-ID: <000a01c0aaff$72ea1620$0acca8c0@internal.gryphonfarms.net>

Last week, I took a count and realized I'm supporting 117 sendmail boxes.
I'm getting tired of some of the control, performance and UCE issues that
sendmail doesn't address, and it is time to at least explore some
alternatives.

Apparently, postfix and exim are the favorites of this group (with a small,
but vocal qmail faction).  I don't really have any servers that need to do
500,000 deliveries per day, so "ultimate performance" is not the only, or
even the most important, criteria.

Thanks for your comments!

-Jeff




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Mar 12 15:35:32 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:35:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 2.0.2: AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
In-Reply-To: Thomas Wouters's message of "Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:52:36 +0100"
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103071709050.25713-100000@alb-net.com>
	<20010307235236.F404@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <lzzoerqcln.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Thomas Wouters <thomas at xs4all.net> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:11:41PM -0500, Mentor Cana wrote:
> 
> > Here is the error I get when attempting to approve subscription Request on
> > "confirm+approval" list.
> 
> > admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
> > admin(15231):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
> > admin(15231): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
> > ....
> 
> My typo. You can fix it manually by changing line 331 of
> ListAdmin.py to 'except Errors.MMAlreadyAMember:'. Note the extra
> 'A' between 'Already' and 'Member'.

Hello,

i have the same problem and i fix it. But now i get

,----[ log/error ]
| Mar 12 15:19:33 2001 admin(4109): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
| admin(4109): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
| admin(4109): [----- Traceback ------]
| admin(4109): Traceback (innermost last):
| admin(4109):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
| admin(4109):     main()
| admin(4109):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
| admin(4109):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
| admin(4109):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
| admin(4109):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
| admin(4109):   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
| admin(4109):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
| admin(4109):   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 330, in __handlesubscription
| admin(4109):     self.ApprovedAddMember(addr, password, digest, lang)
| admin(4109): NameError: lang
| admin(4109): [----- Python Information -----]
| admin(4109): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Jun  5 2000, 12:50:00)  [GCC egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 
| admin(4109): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
| admin(4109): sys.prefix     = /usr/local/bin/../stow/python-1.5.2
| admin(4109): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local/bin/../stow/python-1.5.2
| admin(4109): sys.path       = /usr/local/bin/../stow/python-1.5.2
| admin(4109): sys.platform   = linux2
`----

when i will to approve a new member. The refuse funktion is working.

Sorry for my english.

 Gru? Detlef Neubauer

-- 
PGP-Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/



From thomas at xs4all.net  Mon Mar 12 15:42:31 2001
From: thomas at xs4all.net (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:42:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 2.0.2: AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
In-Reply-To: <lzzoerqcln.fsf@mailman.charite.de>; from detlef.neubauer@charite.de on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:35:32PM +0100
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103071709050.25713-100000@alb-net.com> <20010307235236.F404@xs4all.nl> <lzzoerqcln.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
Message-ID: <20010312154230.T100@xs4all.nl>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:35:32PM +0100, Detlef Neubauer wrote:
> Thomas Wouters <thomas at xs4all.net> writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 05:11:41PM -0500, Mentor Cana wrote:
> > 
> > > Here is the error I get when attempting to approve subscription Request on
> > > "confirm+approval" list.
> > 
> > > admin(15231):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
> > > admin(15231):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
> > > admin(15231): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
> > > ....
> > 
> > My typo. You can fix it manually by changing line 331 of
> > ListAdmin.py to 'except Errors.MMAlreadyAMember:'. Note the extra
> > 'A' between 'Already' and 'Member'.

> Hello,

> i have the same problem and i fix it. But now i get

> ,----[ log/error ]
> | Mar 12 15:19:33 2001 admin(4109): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> | admin(4109): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
> | admin(4109): [----- Traceback ------]
> | admin(4109): Traceback (innermost last):
> | admin(4109):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> | admin(4109):     main()
> | admin(4109):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
> | admin(4109):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
> | admin(4109):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
> | admin(4109):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
> | admin(4109):   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
> | admin(4109):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> | admin(4109):   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 330, in __handlesubscription
> | admin(4109):     self.ApprovedAddMember(addr, password, digest, lang)
> | admin(4109): NameError: lang

> when i will to approve a new member. The refuse funktion is working.

Indeed. Barry and I found the same bug when we were preparing Mailman 2.0.3
last Thursday. This is the last time I'm using CVS to backport a patch, by
the way. The solution is to remove the last argument in the call to
'self.ApprovedAddMember', turning

        self.ApprovedAddMember(addr, password, digest, lang)

into

        self.ApprovedAddMember(addr, password, digest)

Barry was supposed to release 2.0.3 ASAPly, but I guess he's been as
devastated by jetlag as me ;P

-- 
Thomas Wouters <thomas at xs4all.net>

Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!



From drechsau at Geeks.ORG  Mon Mar 12 15:51:33 2001
From: drechsau at Geeks.ORG (Mike Horwath)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:51:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA choices - suggestions for sendmail alternatives???
In-Reply-To: <000a01c0aaff$72ea1620$0acca8c0@internal.gryphonfarms.net>; from jeffh@streek.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:19:28AM -0600
References: <000a01c0aaff$72ea1620$0acca8c0@internal.gryphonfarms.net>
Message-ID: <20010312085133.A21173@Geeks.ORG>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:19:28AM -0600, Jeff Hahn wrote:
> Apparently, postfix and exim are the favorites of this group (with a small,
> but vocal qmail faction).  I don't really have any servers that need to do
> 500,000 deliveries per day, so "ultimate performance" is not the only, or
> even the most important, criteria.

Like many others, I am a Postfix user.

Why?

Why not?  Smaller, faster, out of the box doesn't relay at all, and
how can you not like the author? :)

-- 
Mike Horwath           IRC: Drechsau         drechsau at Geeks.ORG
Home: 763-540-6815  1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN  55427
Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself
through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period.



From jsilva at siauto.it  Mon Mar 12 16:10:48 2001
From: jsilva at siauto.it (Jacopo Silva)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:10:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly password
In-Reply-To: <3AACB90A.7789A559@west.sun.com>
References: <5.1.0.10.2.20010312115851.00a51440@achille.siauto.it>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.10.2.20010312160916.00a45060@achille.siauto.it>

At 03.54 12/03/01 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:

>There has to be at least one public list for the reminders to work.
>I'm not sure why this is.

What do you mean with "public list" ?
Whichever between:

- Public Archival
- Users subscription with no approval
- Public posting to list
- Posting restricted to members with no moderation

Thx again...

Jacopo





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Mar 12 16:16:12 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:16:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM 2.0.2: AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
In-Reply-To: Thomas Wouters's message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:42:31 +0100"
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103071709050.25713-100000@alb-net.com>
	<20010307235236.F404@xs4all.nl> <lzzoerqcln.fsf@mailman.charite.de>
	<20010312154230.T100@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <lzpufnqapv.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Thomas Wouters <thomas at xs4all.net> writes:

> > | admin(4109): NameError: lang
> 
> > when i will to approve a new member. The refuse funktion is working.
> 
> The solution is to remove the last argument in the call to
> 'self.ApprovedAddMember', turning
> 
>         self.ApprovedAddMember(addr, password, digest, lang)
> 
> into
> 
>         self.ApprovedAddMember(addr, password, digest)
> 

Hello Thomas,

thanks for your fast support. I try it and it works. :-)

 Gru? Detlef Neubauer

-- 
PGP-Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/



From rpoe at warren-wilson.edu  Mon Mar 12 16:22:05 2001
From: rpoe at warren-wilson.edu (Sloan Poe)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd
Message-ID: <20010312102205.D20800@mail>

I was wondering if there is a command that can be
sent to the *-request alias which would allow the
admin to subscribe and unsubscribe people from a
list without having to be re-approved on the
webpage..

thanks

--

Sloan Poe
mrklaw at mindless.com

If I'm insane, who are you in?



From Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it  Mon Mar 12 17:13:29 2001
From: Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it (Emanuele Casales)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:13:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd
References: <20010312102205.D20800@mail>
Message-ID: <3AACF5A9.1AB8E68C@italtel.it>

I have installed mailman, version 2.0, in the workstation alpha Digital
with S.O. UNIX V4.0F  (Rev. 1229).
After the compilation I have run the file "check_perms". The output is:
"No problem Found".
Subsequently I have run the file "newlist test". I have edited the file
/var/adm/aliases and I have inserted these lines:

## test mailing list
## created: 12-Mar-2001 mailman
test:                    "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
test"
test-request:            "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

test-owner:              test-admin

When any users subscribe the mailing list named "test", they receive the
confirmation mail.
Subsequently these users receive this mail:

Oggetto:  Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
 Data:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:45:17 +0100 (MET)
 Da:        Mail Delivery Subsystem
<MAILER-DAEMON at iplwd07.palermo.italtel.it>
 A:         <Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it>

The original message was received at Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:45:17 +0100
(MET)
from iltss10.settimo.italtel.it [138.132.52.10]

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at iplwd07.palermo.italtel.it>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take
d?)
554 "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer
error 2

Could you help me ?
Thank you.

Emanuele
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From Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it  Mon Mar 12 17:30:58 2001
From: Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it (Emanuele Casales)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:30:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd
References: <20010312102205.D20800@mail>
Message-ID: <3AACF9C0.ED614BB5@italtel.it>

I have installed mailman, version 2.0, in the workstation alpha Digital
with S.O. UNIX V4.0F  (Rev. 1229).
After the compilation I have run the file "check_perms". The output is:
"No problem Found".
Subsequently I have run the file "newlist test". I have edited the file
/var/adm/aliases and I have inserted these lines:

## test mailing list
## created: 12-Mar-2001 mailman
test:                    "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
test"
test-request:            "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

test-owner:              test-admin

When any users subscribe the mailing list named "test", they receive the
confirmation mail.
Subsequently these users receive this mail:

Oggetto:  Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
 Data:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:45:17 +0100 (MET)
 Da:        Mail Delivery Subsystem
<MAILER-DAEMON at iplwd07.palermo.italtel.it>
 A:         <Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it>

The original message was received at Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:45:17 +0100
(MET)
from iltss10.settimo.italtel.it [138.132.52.10]

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at iplwd07.palermo.italtel.it>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take
d?)
554 "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer
error 2

Could you help me ?
Thank you.

Emanuele




From tnguyen at connex.com  Mon Mar 12 18:38:39 2001
From: tnguyen at connex.com (Thang Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:38:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd
In-Reply-To: <3AACF9C0.ED614BB5@italtel.it>
Message-ID: <OHEEIEIOMJGEGKFCPCPGEECACAAA.tnguyen@connex.com>

you can try to recompile with this command.

./configure --prefix=/your/mailmandir  --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=n
obody

use nobody if your webserver run under that id.

TG
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Emanuele Casales
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:31 AM
To: Mailman
Cc: Sloan Poe
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd


I have installed mailman, version 2.0, in the workstation alpha Digital
with S.O. UNIX V4.0F  (Rev. 1229).
After the compilation I have run the file "check_perms". The output is:
"No problem Found".
Subsequently I have run the file "newlist test". I have edited the file
/var/adm/aliases and I have inserted these lines:

## test mailing list
## created: 12-Mar-2001 mailman
test:                    "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
test"
test-request:            "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

test-owner:              test-admin

When any users subscribe the mailing list named "test", they receive the
confirmation mail.
Subsequently these users receive this mail:

Oggetto:  Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
 Data:      Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:45:17 +0100 (MET)
 Da:        Mail Delivery Subsystem
<MAILER-DAEMON at iplwd07.palermo.italtel.it>
 A:         <Emanuele.Casales at italtel.it>

The original message was received at Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:45:17 +0100
(MET)
from iltss10.settimo.italtel.it [138.132.52.10]

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at iplwd07.palermo.italtel.it>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take
d?)
554 "|/usr/users/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer
error 2

Could you help me ?
Thank you.

Emanuele


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From orion at deathcon.com  Mon Mar 12 19:02:33 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:02:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Convert from mailman 2.0 to 2.2
In-Reply-To: <3AAC5390.5B30CDF6@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103120959290.13651-100000@pirk.com>

I would say that you should run configure first. Then install.
You might want to look at your old config.status from 2.0 and
make sure you pass the new version the same parameters
(like mail gid etc.)

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Kory Wheatley wrote:

> When upgrading from Mailman 2.0 to Mailman 2.2 . Do I run "./configure"
> first then
> "make install"
> 
> Or do I just need to run "make install"
> 
> Kory Wheatley
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From mike at coredump.csocsg.net  Mon Mar 12 20:27:01 2001
From: mike at coredump.csocsg.net (Mike Wronski)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:27:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing HTML
Message-ID: <016c01c0ab2a$6984a250$16777095@nhangstonl1>

Is anyone integrating a script that removes HTML from mail messages before forwarding? If so, what are you using and how did you integrate it?  I am thinking that this would make a nice entry on the mailman wishlist.. 

-M

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From Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at  Mon Mar 12 20:38:30 2001
From: Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:38:30 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_gzip does nothing and I wonder why
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103122024470.25688-100000@ito.ams.smc.univie.ac.at>

hi there,

  i 've just upgraded to 2.0.2 (running Python 1.5.2). nevertheless,
since 2.0, my cron/nightly_gzip does nothing:

  > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip
    (no output, no action)

  > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip -v mylist-l
    (no output, no action)

  > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip -h    
    (no output, no action)

what's going wrong here?


-- Andreas




From barry at digicool.com  Mon Mar 12 23:29:06 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:29:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANNOUNCE Mailman 2.0.3
Message-ID: <15021.19890.887096.306934@anthem.wooz.org>


I'm sorry folks.  As some of you are aware, a small but nasty typo
snuck its way into the Mailman 2.0.2 release, necessitating a bug fix
patch.  Thus I've just uploaded Mailman 2.0.3 to SourceForge.  I
highly recommend that you upgrade to this version.

As usual I'm releasing this as both a complete tarball and as a patch
against Mailman 2.0.2.  You /must/ update your source to 2.0.2 before
applying the 2.0.3 patch.  Since the patch is small, I'm including it
in this message.  To apply, cd into your 2.0.2 source tree and apply
it like so:

    % patch -p0 < mailman-2.0.2-2.0.3.diff

Currently both http://mailman.sourceforge.net and http://www.list.org
are updated, and I expect the gnu.org site to be updated soon as
well.  The release information on SF is at

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=27001

-Barry

P.S. It was nice to meet so many Mailman fans at IPC9!  It was also
quite cool to finally meet Thomas Wouters.  Don't worry Thomas, I
won't hold this one against ya. :)

[From the NEWS file]

2.0.3 (12-Mar-2001)

    Bug fix release.  There was a small typo in 2.0.2 in ListAdmin.py
    for approving an already subscribed member (thanks Thomas!).
    Also, an update to the OpenWall security workaround
    (contrib/securelinux_fix.py) was included.  Thanks to Marc Merlin.

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From todd at connactivity.connactivity.com  Tue Mar 13 01:58:29 2001
From: todd at connactivity.connactivity.com (Todd Joseph)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:58:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] desired changes to config.db
Message-ID: <200103130058.f2D0wU324089@connactivity.connactivity.com>

Here's a excerpt from "config.db" using "dumpdb":

'reply_to_address': 'mylist-replies at something.tld',

I'd like to change this to:

'reply_to_address': '"First Last <mylist-replies at something.tld>"',

When I try to do this from the admin page (regardless of quoting), it
is stripped to:

'reply_to_address': 'mylist-replies at something.tld',

I'd like all email addresses associated with the mailing list to have
the form "First Last <addr at something.tld>."  Help?

Todd
----------------------------
FWIW, here's the complete output from a sample mailing list (using dump_db):

{   'acceptable_aliases': '\012',
    'admin_immed_notify': 1,
    'admin_member_chunksize': 30,
    'admin_notify_mchanges': 0,
    'admin_responses': {},
    'administrivia': 1,
    'advertised': 1,
    'anonymous_list': 0,
    'archive': 1,
    'archive_directory': '/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist',
    'archive_private': 0,
    'archive_volume_frequency': 1,
    'automatic_bounce_action': 1,
    'autorespond_admin': 0,
    'autorespond_postings': 0,
    'autorespond_requests': 0,
    'autoresponse_admin_text': '',
    'autoresponse_graceperiod': 90,
    'autoresponse_postings_text': '',
    'autoresponse_request_text': '',
    'bounce_info': {},
    'bounce_matching_headers': "\012# Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.\012to: friend at public.com\012message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu\012from: list at listme.com\012from: .*@uplinkpro.com\012",
    'bounce_processing': 1,
    'clobber_date': 0,
    'data_version': 21,
    'description': '',
    'digest_footer': '_______________________________________________\012%(real_name)s mailing list\012%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s\012%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s\012',
    'digest_header': '',
    'digest_is_default': 0,
    'digest_members': {},
    'digest_send_periodic': 1,
    'digest_size_threshhold': 30,
    'digestable': 1,
    'dont_respond_to_post_requests': 0,
    'filter_prog': '',
    'forbidden_posters': [],
    'gateway_to_mail': 0,
    'gateway_to_news': 0,
    'goodbye_msg': '',
    'host_name': 'listbot',
    'info': '',
    'last_post_time': 0,
    'linked_newsgroup': '',
    'max_message_size': 40,
    'max_num_recipients': 10,
    'max_posts_between_bounces': 5,
    'member_posting_only': 0,
    'members': {},
    'mime_is_default_digest': 0,
    'minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action': 3,
    'minimum_removal_date': 5,
    'moderated': 0,
    'msg_footer': '_______________________________________________\012%(real_name)s mailing list\012%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s\012%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s\012',
    'msg_header': '',
    'next_digest_number': 1,
    'next_post_number': 1,
    'next_request_id': 1,
    'nntp_host': '',
    'nondigestable': 1,
    'obscure_addresses': 1,
    'owner': ['owner at something.tld'],
    'password': 'Hen3Ia76ETvcQ',
    'passwords': {},
    'post_id': 1.0,
    'posters': [],
    'postings_responses': {},
    'private_archive_file_dir': '/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox',
    'private_roster': 0,
    'public_archive_file_dir': '/home/mailman/archives/public',
    'real_name': 'Mylist',
    'reply_goes_to_list': 0,
    'reply_to_address': 'mylist-replies at something.tld',
    'request_responses': {},
    'require_explicit_destination': 1,
    'send_reminders': 1,
    'send_welcome_msg': 1,
    'subject_prefix': '[Mylist] ',
    'subscribe_policy': 1,
    'umbrella_list': 0,
    'umbrella_member_suffix': '-owner',
    'user_options': {},
    'volume': 1,
    'web_page_url': 'http://www.something.tld/mailman/',
    'welcome_msg': ''}



From neilk at ActiveState.com  Tue Mar 13 03:43:41 2001
From: neilk at ActiveState.com (Neil Kandalgaonkar)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:43:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monitoring Mailman
In-Reply-To: <200103130058.f2D0wU324089@connactivity.connactivity.com>; from todd@connactivity.connactivity.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:58:29PM -0500
References: <200103130058.f2D0wU324089@connactivity.connactivity.com>
Message-ID: <20010312184341.A29436@latte.ActiveState.com>

We're setting up some monitoring of our mailman installations.

Can anyone recommend some aspects of mailman which are worth monitoring?

The only stuff I can think of right away is:
- number of files in MAILMAN/qfiles
- whether web interfaces are up

I suppose I could create a list and make a script to automatically
post there, to see if the aliases were working.

Any other ideas?

We're using Spong, which uses little test-modules coded in Perl. If 
anyone is interested I'm sure I could distribute them once we're 
done.

-- 
Neil Kandalgaonkar, Web App Developer, ActiveState  

x-Shameless-plug: ActiveState Komodo - Mozilla-based, cross-platform IDE.
                  http://www.ActiveState.com/Komodo



From pete at smtl.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 15:03:15 2001
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:03:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with the wrapper program - *Lots* of detail.
Message-ID: <200103011403.OAA11617@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

Hi

I too am experiencing problems with 2.0.1 mailman and the wrapper GID
problem. Enclosed below are, hopefully, enough snippets someone to
solve the problem.

Firstly - yes, I have followed the INSTALL (as I understand it), read
the FAQ, searched the python.org archives, and searched all of this
years mailman digests.

Anyway...

	Platform:  Red Hat Linux 6.0 , Kernel 2.2.17 on an i686
	Mailman: 2.0.1
	MTA: sendmail-8.11.0

On sending the confirmation reply to a subscription request, I get the 
following in my sendmail log:

	Mar 1 11:53:58 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
	script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?)

Here is my configuration line:

	./configure  --prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1
	--exec-prefix=/share/store/mailman-2.0.1/linux
	--with-extra-inc=/share/links/include
	--with-extra-lib=/share/links/linux/lib 
	--with-mail-gid='mail'
	--with-cgi-gid='nobody' 
	--with-cgi-extension='.cgi'

(BTW - I tried with numerical gid 12 instead of 'mail' - same problem. )

As you can see, it is configured for 12/mail (see group file entry below).

However, if I run the following by hand:
	   /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2

I get 

	Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.
	(Reconfigure to take 0?)

I.e., the wrapper here seems to understand that gid of 12 is required, 
but it is getting 0 (because I ran this as root from the command line
?).

My sendmail.cf contains the following:
	   O DefaultUser=8:12

My /etc/group file contains:
	   mail::12:mail


Also: 
      ls -al /etc/smrsh/wrapper
      lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           33 Aug  8  2000 /etc/smrsh/wrapper -> /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

Any help *deeply* appreciated :-)

Pete


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From tib at tigerknight.org  Wed Mar  7 23:56:45 2001
From: tib at tigerknight.org (Tib)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:56:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bouncing mail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103071455570.7101-100000@unica.tigerknight.org>

Greetings Programs!

Sorry about all the bouncing mail lately :/ I don't know how active the list
was and how much got bounced - but my apologies. I just moved and took the
server with me and it was quite a pain to get notices put through Network
Solutions to change my dns pointers. But it's all done now and the mail should
work just fine.

<EOL>
Tib






From jones at engineous.com  Fri Mar  9 14:00:06 2001
From: jones at engineous.com (Andrew Jones)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:00:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capitalization request
Message-ID: <200103091300.IAA00766@eng000.engineous.com>

To Whom it May Concern:
	I was hoping to be able to provide a patch that would solve my problem 
(i'm sure it's an easy fix), but i am bogged down in everything else, not least 
of which is sendmail.
	The company i work for may be using Mailman in the near future for a 
mailing list for users of our software. Our product name is iSIGHT, and the list 
is supposed to be called isight-users at engineous.com. I have already set Mailman 
up; we are simply waiting on approval from upperlevel management. One comment 
that was made was that "iSIGHT" should appear consistantly with that 
capitalization. I would say that EVERY component of Mailman should be 
case-preserving, but not case sensitive. isight-users as opposed to iSIGHT-users 
is perfectly acceptable, because people are used to seeing e-mail addresses in 
lowercase. However, when customers visit the Mailman pages for our list and see 
Isight-users as the name of the list, that is decidedly uncool. This appears to 
have resulted from the initial setup of the list, when Mailman capitalized the 
"i". Changing it back (or even to iSIGHT) from the administration Web page works 
as hoped. I hope i have made my problem clear.
	Thank You for Your work on an excellent product. I was impressed by the 
quick response to the recent discovery of a minor security hole, and i was also 
impressed by how minor the security hole is. (Perhaps it is not minor for some 
sites, but our company is small, and we trust the list administrator-to-be.)

				Sincerely,
				Andrew Jones
				Assistant System Administrator
				Andrew.Jones at engineous.com




From bkuhn at gnu.org  Mon Mar 12 20:00:14 2001
From: bkuhn at gnu.org (Bradley M. Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd - Frm: fsf-global-admin@gnu.org, Subj: 1 FSF-Global admin request(s) waiting]
Message-ID: <20010312140014.F17850@ebb.org>

I am not sure what the bug is here, but when I go to the admindb URL below
and try to subscribe the person, I get a mailman bug screen.

According to the logs, it appears the person is already subscribed, but the
admindb URL still shows it pending.

I can give someone the password to try it themselves, if they like.

###############################################################################
Mar 12 13:56:23 2001 admin(2845): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(2845): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
admin(2845): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(2845): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(2845):     main()
admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
admin(2845):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
admin(2845):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
admin(2845):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
admin(2845):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
admin(2845): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
admin(2845): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(2845): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#0, Apr  3 2000, 14:46:48)  [GCC 2.95.2 20000313 (Debian GNU/Linux)]
admin(2845): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(2845): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(2845): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(2845): sys.path       = /usr
admin(2845): sys.platform   = linux2
admin(2845): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(2845): 	DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/mail.gnu.org/
admin(2845): 	SERVER_ADDR: 199.232.76.166
admin(2845): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate,compress,identity
admin(2845): 	CONTENT_LENGTH: 37
admin(2845): 	CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(2845): 	PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/mail.gnu.org/fsf-global
admin(2845): 	SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) Debian/GNU
admin(2845): 	GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(2845): 	UNIQUE_ID: Oq0b1sfoTKQAADuVVpA
admin(2845): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(2845): 	REMOTE_ADDR: 199.232.76.163
admin(2845): 	SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(2845): 	HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(2845): 	HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001103
admin(2845): 	HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(2845): 	REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/fsf-global
admin(2845): 	HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=0
admin(2845): 	QUERY_STRING: 
admin(2845): 	SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(2845): 	HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(2845): 	HTTP_HOST: mail.gnu.org
admin(2845): 	REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(2845): 	SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
admin(2845): 	SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb
admin(2845): 	SERVER_ADMIN: gnu at gnu.org
admin(2845): 	SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(2845): 	PYTHONPATH: /com/mailer/mailman
admin(2845): 	PATH_INFO: /fsf-global
admin(2845): 	HTTP_COOKIE: fsf-global:admin=280200000069c91bad3a732800000030656366383830353934353038636364633261366534393932306235633431343334303638626537
admin(2845): 	HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(2845): 	SERVER_NAME: mail.gnu.org
admin(2845): 	REMOTE_PORT: 62304
Mar 12 13:56:34 2001 admin(2854): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(2854): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
admin(2854): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(2854): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(2854):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(2854):     main()
admin(2854):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
admin(2854):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
admin(2854):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
admin(2854):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
admin(2854):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
admin(2854):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
admin(2854):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
admin(2854):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
admin(2854): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
admin(2854): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(2854): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#0, Apr  3 2000, 14:46:48)  [GCC 2.95.2 20000313 (Debian GNU/Linux)]
admin(2854): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(2854): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(2854): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(2854): sys.path       = /usr
admin(2854): sys.platform   = linux2
admin(2854): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(2854): 	DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/mail.gnu.org/
admin(2854): 	SERVER_ADDR: 199.232.76.166
admin(2854): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate,compress,identity
admin(2854): 	CONTENT_LENGTH: 37
admin(2854): 	CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(2854): 	PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/mail.gnu.org/fsf-global
admin(2854): 	GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(2854): 	UNIQUE_ID: Oq0b4sfoTKQAAD2wdV0
admin(2854): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(2854): 	SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(2854): 	REMOTE_ADDR: 199.232.76.163
admin(2854): 	SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(2854): 	HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(2854): 	HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001103
admin(2854): 	HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(2854): 	REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/fsf-global
admin(2854): 	QUERY_STRING: 
admin(2854): 	SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(2854): 	HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(2854): 	HTTP_HOST: mail.gnu.org
admin(2854): 	REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(2854): 	SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
admin(2854): 	SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb
admin(2854): 	SERVER_ADMIN: gnu at gnu.org
admin(2854): 	SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) Debian/GNU
admin(2854): 	PYTHONPATH: /com/mailer/mailman
admin(2854): 	PATH_INFO: /fsf-global
admin(2854): 	HTTP_COOKIE: fsf-global:admin=280200000069dd1bad3a732800000035336637626538393735633931366234326231633566663264323465323562646263333939616131
admin(2854): 	SERVER_NAME: mail.gnu.org
admin(2854): 	REMOTE_PORT: 62307
admin(2854): 	HTTP_REFERER: http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/admindb/fsf-global

###############################################################################


----- Forwarded message from fsf-global-admin at gnu.org -----

To: fsf-global-admin at gnu.org
From: fsf-global-admin at gnu.org
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:00:21 -0500
Subject: 1 FSF-Global admin request(s) waiting

The FSF-Global at gnu.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your
consideration at:

	http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/admindb/fsf-global
	
Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.

Pending subscriptions:
    greve at gnu.org Wed Mar  7 09:57:01 2001


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar 13 05:28:00 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:28:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd - Frm: fsf-global-admin@gnu.org, Subj: 1 
 FSF-Global admin request(s) waiting]
References: <20010312140014.F17850@ebb.org>
Message-ID: <3AADA1D0.5D6AF7BA@pcraft.com>

"Bradley M. Kuhn" wrote:

> Mar 12 13:56:23 2001 admin(2845): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(2845): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
> admin(2845): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(2845): Traceback (innermost last):
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(2845):     main()
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
> admin(2845):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
> admin(2845):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
> admin(2845):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
> admin(2845):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
> admin(2845): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember

    I believe this was recently discussed, v2.0.2 has a bug in that
routine.  The routine should be called MMAlreadyAMember (note the 'A'
infront of the Member).  v2.0.3 has that bug fixed - I think.

    AMK4

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Mar 13 05:16:42 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:16:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd - Frm: fsf-global-admin@gnu.org, Subj: 1 
 FSF-Global admin request(s) waiting]
References: <20010312140014.F17850@ebb.org>
Message-ID: <3AAD9F2A.38DC87A4@pcraft.com>

"Bradley M. Kuhn" wrote:

> Mar 12 13:56:23 2001 admin(2845): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(2845): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.2 -----]
> admin(2845): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(2845): Traceback (innermost last):
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(2845):     main()
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 88, in main
> admin(2845):     HandleRequests(mlist, doc, cgidata)
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 271, in HandleRequests
> admin(2845):     preserve, forward, forwardaddr)
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 133, in HandleRequest
> admin(2845):     status = self.__handlesubscription(data, value, comment)
> admin(2845):   File "/com/mailer/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 331, in __handlesubscription
> admin(2845):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
> admin(2845): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember

    I believe this was recently discussed, v2.0.2 has a bug in that routine.  The routine should be called MMAlreadyAMember (note the 'A' infront of the
Member).  v2.0.3 has that bug fixed - I think.

    AMK4

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From orion at deathcon.com  Tue Mar 13 05:36:20 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:36:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd - Frm: fsf-global-admin@gnu.org, Subj: 1 
 FSF-Global admin request(s) waiting]
In-Reply-To: <3AADA1D0.5D6AF7BA@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103122034160.14686-100000@pirk.com>

You just missed the announcement. Go to soundforge to get the patch.
Very small, and easy to install.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> "Bradley M. Kuhn" wrote:
> > admin(2845):     except Errors.MMAlreadyMember:
> > admin(2845): AttributeError: MMAlreadyMember
> 
>     I believe this was recently discussed, v2.0.2 has a bug in that
> routine.  The routine should be called MMAlreadyAMember (note the 'A'
> infront of the Member).  v2.0.3 has that bug fixed - I think.
> 
>     AMK4
> 
> 




From ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org  Tue Mar 13 05:38:18 2001
From: ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org (Muhammad Ashraf)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:38:18 +0500 (PKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of passwd to  our users twice
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103121747470.27336-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103130937400.5100-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>

 I am in trouble because my mailman send a monthly reminder twice to a
 users.this happens on each first day of each month.How i can prevent my
 mailman send reminder only one time at each mouth's first day 
  
 Regards,
 Hope remains forever.
 Ashraf
 AIE




From Vincent.Homans at life.be  Tue Mar 13 11:07:19 2001
From: Vincent.Homans at life.be (Vincent Homans)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:07:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing HTML
In-Reply-To: <016c01c0ab2a$6984a250$16777095@nhangstonl1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131103130.2050-100000@tomaat.life.be>

I guess it should be not to difficult to do it with lynx
if you cat the email in a temporary file >/tmp/tmp$PIDdagmama.html
and then you proces it something like
lynx -dump /tmp/tmp$PIDdagmama.html > /tmp/file.txt

and then mail this text.

Just a wild guess, but maybe this heps you on the way.


Bye,

vincent 


On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Mike Wronski wrote:

> Is anyone integrating a script that removes HTML from mail messages before forwarding? If so, what are you using and how did you integrate it?  I am thinking that this would make a nice entry on the mailman wishlist.. 
> 
> -M
> 
> 

-- 

Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me
spread!





From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Mar 13 13:30:06 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:30:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing HTML
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131103130.2050-100000@tomaat.life.be>
Message-ID: <3AAE12CE.D5305F45@west.sun.com>

As has been discussed to death on this list, many of us are using
demime.  Search for it with Google.  There is a competitor as well;
both Perl scripts I believe.

Vincent Homans wrote:
> 
> I guess it should be not to difficult to do it with lynx
> if you cat the email in a temporary file >/tmp/tmp$PIDdagmama.html
> and then you proces it something like
> lynx -dump /tmp/tmp$PIDdagmama.html > /tmp/file.txt
> 
> and then mail this text.
> 
> Just a wild guess, but maybe this heps you on the way.
> 
> Bye,
> 
> vincent
> 
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Mike Wronski wrote:
> 
> > Is anyone integrating a script that removes HTML from mail messages before forwarding? If so, what are you using and how did you integrate it?  I am thinking that this would make a nice entry on the mailman wishlist..
> >
> > -M
> >
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me
> spread!
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From rpoe at warren-wilson.edu  Tue Mar 13 13:47:47 2001
From: rpoe at warren-wilson.edu (Sloan Poe)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] commands
Message-ID: <20010313074747.C13706@mail>

I sent this a day or so ago, but it got passed by.

I was wondering if anyone knew of a command I could
send by email to a list that would subscribe someone
without having to be confirmed or moderated by the
admin.  

thanks
-- 

Sloan Poe
mrklaw at mindless.com

If I'm insane, who are you in?



From yua at artlover.com  Tue Mar 13 15:27:49 2001
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:27:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about "posting to list without implicit approval requirement"
Message-ID: <IEEILAPLNJHNOBJJALJJCEIOCHAA.yua@artlover.com>

Hi,

I need help.

To my understand about "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this
list without implicit approval requirement." setting is that for the e-mail
addresses you put down in there - they will have unrestrited access to post
to the list.  Why does it not work?  Help!

Alex





From sales at imaginesuccess.com  Tue Mar 13 17:48:30 2001
From: sales at imaginesuccess.com (-Imagine Success-)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text only
Message-ID: <00b601c0abdd$724328e0$f5ba1cd0@user>

Is there any way we can get our mail list to deliver all of our mail in plain
text only?

That option is available for digest users but not for the individual
emails  we are getting a lot of HTML coding inside the mail that is delivered.

Thanks!  Jeanne

--------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine Success  www.imaginesuccess.com




From lists at thoene.net  Tue Mar 13 18:14:45 2001
From: lists at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:14:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text only
In-Reply-To: <00b601c0abdd$724328e0$f5ba1cd0@user>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKFGALMECDPKMIPICENFEHAA.lists@thoene.net>

>From a message sent earlier today...

----------

As has been discussed to death on this list, many of us are using
demime.  Search for it with Google.  There is a competitor as well;
both Perl scripts I believe.

Vincent Homans wrote:
>
> I guess it should be not to difficult to do it with lynx
> if you cat the email in a temporary file >/tmp/tmp$PIDdagmama.html
> and then you proces it something like
> lynx -dump /tmp/tmp$PIDdagmama.html > /tmp/file.txt
>
> and then mail this text.
>
> Just a wild guess, but maybe this heps you on the way.
>
> Bye,
>
> vincent
>
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Mike Wronski wrote:
>
> > Is anyone integrating a script that removes HTML from mail messages
before forwarding? If so, what are you using and how did you integrate it?
I am thinking that this would make a nice entry on the mailman wishlist..
> >
> > -M
> >

::-----Original Message-----
::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of -Imagine Success-
::Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:49 AM
::To: mailman-users at python.org
::Subject: [Mailman-Users] Text only
::
::
::Is there any way we can get our mail list to deliver all of our
::mail in plain
::text only?
::
::That option is available for digest users but not for the individual
::emails  we are getting a lot of HTML coding inside the mail that
::is delivered.
::
::Thanks!  Jeanne
::
::--------------------------------------------------------------
::Imagine Success  www.imaginesuccess.com
::
::
::------------------------------------------------------
::Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
::




From cjbabyak at r-effects.com  Tue Mar 13 19:04:00 2001
From: cjbabyak at r-effects.com (Chris J. Babyak)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:04:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problem
Message-ID: <024301c0abe7$fb5683c0$85b672d1@CHRIS2K>

I'm working on a new mailman & qmail install.  I've got everything pretty much down except for this.

I did configure mailman with group 1, but its still giving this error....any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Chris 

Mar 13 13:01:05 -hostmame qmail: 984506465.629587 starting delivery 19411: msg 362522 to local <emailaddress>
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame qmail: 984506465.629952 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 100.  (Reconfigure to take 100?)
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame qmail: 984506465.669644 delivery 19411: deferral: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_1,_GOT_gid_100.__(Reconfigure_to_take_100?)/
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame qmail: 984506465.669931 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20

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From orion at deathcon.com  Tue Mar 13 19:12:16 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:12:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of passwd
 to  our users twice
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103130937400.5100-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131010190.15909-100000@pirk.com>

This is an option on the "General Options" html page of the admin 
interface. It is labled:

Send monthly password reminders or no? Overrides the previous 
option. (Details)

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Muhammad Ashraf wrote:

> 
>  I am in trouble because my mailman send a monthly reminder twice to a
>  users.this happens on each first day of each month.How i can prevent my
>  mailman send reminder only one time at each mouth's first day 
>   
>  Regards,
>  Hope remains forever.
>  Ashraf
>  AIE
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From cjbabyak at r-effects.com  Tue Mar 13 19:22:08 2001
From: cjbabyak at r-effects.com (Chris J. Babyak)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problem...
Message-ID: <026e01c0abea$83de8830$85b672d1@CHRIS2K>

I'm working on a new mailman & qmail install.  I've got everything pretty
much down except for this.

I did configure mailman with group 1, but its still giving this error....any
help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Chris

Mar 13 13:01:05 -hostmame qmail: 984506465.629587 starting delivery 19411:
msg 362522 to local <emailaddress>
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame qmail: 984506465.629952 status: local 1/10 remote
0/20
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 100.  (Reconfigure to take 100?)
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame qmail: 984506465.669644 delivery 19411: deferral:
Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_1,_GOT_gid_100.__(Reconfigure_to_take_100
?)/
Mar 13 13:01:05 hostmame qmail: 984506465.669931 status: local 0/10 remote
0/20





From alex at phred.org  Tue Mar 13 19:17:50 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:17:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripmime update
Message-ID: <072e01c0abe9$eab58c30$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

Stripmime is a Perl script which I wrote to convert MIME messages to
plaintext.  It does this by removing non-text attachments (except HTML
in certain cases) and removing the MIME structure.

I've created a webpage with some information on the tool as well as
simple installation instructions.  The page can be found at
http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html.

The latest version has a new feature and some bug fixes.  The main new
feature is that it now does HTML to ascii conversion for messages which
only contain an HTML section (if they have an HTML and a plaintext
section then it just keeps the plaintext one).  The primary bugfix is
that it properly identifies HTML messages coming from hotmail
(previously it allowed them through).

This tool is similar to demime, but has a much different underlying
implementation.  Demime uses many perl modules to do the striping work,
but I wasn't comfortable with this approach because some of the modules
create temporary files or large in-memory buffers.  My solution acts as
a filter and never buffers the whole source message into memory or disk
at any time, so it should have fewer resource needs.  I have been using
it on my mailing list server for over a year now with very good luck.

alex




From rick at niof.net  Tue Mar 13 20:22:50 2001
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:22:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of passwd to  our users twice
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131010190.15909-100000@pirk.com>; from orion@deathcon.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:12:16AM -0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103130937400.5100-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131010190.15909-100000@pirk.com>
Message-ID: <20010313142250.C8801@tc.niof.net>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:12:16AM -0800, Orion (Steve Pirk) wrote:
> This is an option on the "General Options" html page of the admin 
> interface. It is labled:
> 
> Send monthly password reminders or no? Overrides the previous 
> option. (Details)

That wasn't the question.

The problem is that *some* users get the monthly reminder twice even
though they get only one copy of other posts. Why?

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Muhammad Ashraf wrote:
> 
> > 
> >  I am in trouble because my mailman send a monthly reminder twice to
> >  a users.this happens on each first day of each month.How i can
> >  prevent my mailman send reminder only one time at each mouth's
> >  first day 

-- 
"The market is not an invention of capitalism.  It has
 existed for centuries.  It is an invention of civilization."
		-- Mikhail Gorbachev
		   Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com



From malin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca  Tue Mar 13 20:29:17 2001
From: malin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca (Jean-Francois Malouin)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of passwd to  our users twice
In-Reply-To: <20010313142250.C8801@tc.niof.net>; from rick@niof.net on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 02:22:50PM -0500
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103130937400.5100-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131010190.15909-100000@pirk.com> <20010313142250.C8801@tc.niof.net>
Message-ID: <20010313142916.A221284@shadow.bic.mni.mcgill.ca>

* Rick Pasotto (rick at niof.net) [20010313 14:23] thus spake:
> That wasn't the question.
> 
> The problem is that *some* users get the monthly reminder twice even
> though they get only one copy of other posts. Why?

check your crontab. I had this problem until I realized that
I had duplicated crontabs for root and mailman...doh!

HTH,
jf

> 
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Muhammad Ashraf wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > >  I am in trouble because my mailman send a monthly reminder twice to
> > >  a users.this happens on each first day of each month.How i can
> > >  prevent my mailman send reminder only one time at each mouth's
> > >  first day 
> 
> -- 
> "The market is not an invention of capitalism.  It has
>  existed for centuries.  It is an invention of civilization."
> 		-- Mikhail Gorbachev
> 		   Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
It's a beautiful day, the sky falls 
And you feel like it's a beautiful day 



From ryan at hack.net  Tue Mar 13 21:08:25 2001
From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:08:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
Message-ID: <3AAE7E39.9A48E5A9@hack.net>

Hi All,

    I'm having the (somewhat) classic problem of queue runs hanging up
an entire list when a domain doesn't resolve quickly.  I'm on a FreeBSD
4.2 system, with sendmail 8.11.1.    95% of the time my lists run great,
but when a user's DNS servers go south, I'll have to set him/her to
nomail and pull the messages from the queue.

    I see in the FAQ that one recommendation is to make sure I'm not
trying to resolve my own address when my MTA is making local delivery.
I don't think I'm doing this anyway, and I can always look myself up
just fine, as I run my own nameservers, but I'm not sure if the
configuration issue expressed in the FAQ with Exim is relevant to
sendmail. (see the second Q/A at http://www.list.org/faq.html).

    In any case, I was wondering if any folks had some tips on where to
start with this problem.   Could the cause of this problem contribute to
my somewhat poor message turn around time?

Thanks,

R Brooks





From orion at deathcon.com  Tue Mar 13 21:41:16 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:41:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <3AAE7E39.9A48E5A9@hack.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131238140.15909-100000@pirk.com>

One of the things I noticed that would cause slow mail delievery
was reverse lookup of your IP. A lot of mail servers try and 
authenticate you box when you make a mail connection, and being
able to do an nslookup of your IP address really helps.

I have mine configured to try to send messages for 5 days. This
way, if a mail server out there is fubar'd, the messages do not
immediatly dissappear.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
>     I'm having the (somewhat) classic problem of queue runs hanging up
> an entire list when a domain doesn't resolve quickly.  I'm on a FreeBSD
> 4.2 system, with sendmail 8.11.1.    95% of the time my lists run great,
> but when a user's DNS servers go south, I'll have to set him/her to
> nomail and pull the messages from the queue.
> 
>     I see in the FAQ that one recommendation is to make sure I'm not
> trying to resolve my own address when my MTA is making local delivery.
> I don't think I'm doing this anyway, and I can always look myself up
> just fine, as I run my own nameservers, but I'm not sure if the
> configuration issue expressed in the FAQ with Exim is relevant to
> sendmail. (see the second Q/A at http://www.list.org/faq.html).
> 
>     In any case, I was wondering if any folks had some tips on where to
> start with this problem.   Could the cause of this problem contribute to
> my somewhat poor message turn around time?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> R Brooks
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Tue Mar 13 22:34:45 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:34:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131238140.15909-100000@pirk.com> from "Orion (Steve Pirk)" at Mar 13, 2001 12:41:16 PM
Message-ID: <200103132134.OAA29445@mail.commercedata.com>

Hi folks.  I'm having some qrunner problems right now, too, albeit of a 
different nature.

I moved my working installation of Mailman from one virtual host on a 
Redhat machine over to another virtual host on a Debian machine.  I then 
rebuilt and reinstalled Mailman 2.0.3 on the other machine, checked permissions,
etc.  Everything seemed fine.

The web interface works great.  The email sort of works; I can send mail to 
the list and it goes in the queue.  At that point my qfiles directory just 
gets plumper and plumper with nasty queuefile buildup.

I've run into problems with qrunner and cron before, so I tried running qrunner
"manually" to see whether it has problems.  It runs just fine and returns
without any error messages, but the queuefiles stay there, untouched.  What 
I get in the "post" log is 

Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) post to test from mailman-owner at beersellers.net, si
ze=1315, 1 failures

The "smtp" log contains 

"Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) All recipients refused: Connection unexpectedly closed
Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.240 seconds

and yet I can send myself simple tests using "mail [recipient].

Anyone have any ideas?
Dave Klingler



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Mar 13 23:11:07 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:11:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
References: <200103132134.OAA29445@mail.commercedata.com>
Message-ID: <3AAE9AFB.EB61AF04@west.sun.com>


Dave Klingler wrote:

>  What
> I get in the "post" log is
> 
> Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) post to test from mailman-owner at beersellers.net, si
> ze=1315, 1 failures
> 
> The "smtp" log contains
> 
> "Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) All recipients refused: Connection unexpectedly closed
> Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.240 seconds

So this is a problem with your MTA, so you checked your MTA logs, right?
 
> and yet I can send myself simple tests using "mail [recipient].
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?

Yup.  Bet you a dollar your domain isn't listed in sendmail.cw.



From yua at artlover.com  Tue Mar 13 23:44:33 2001
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:44:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with Greek characters on From field
Message-ID: <IEEILAPLNJHNOBJJALJJKEJLCHAA.yua@artlover.com>

Hello,

I have a subscriber from Greek.  Every e-mail he sent to the list needs to
be have admin to approve even though he is a subscriber.  The reason for
being held shows that he is not a subscriber.

His e-mail sends as (what shows in From field)

  some_greek_character (English Name) [e-mail_address]

so something looks like (as an example)

  OAciU ee (John Smith) [jsmith at test.gr]

How can fix it?

Alex






From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Wed Mar 14 01:33:13 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:33:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <3AAE9AFB.EB61AF04@west.sun.com> from "Dan Mick" at Mar 13, 2001 02:11:07 PM
Message-ID: <200103140033.RAA01438@mail.commercedata.com>

Hi Dan.  Thanks for the help.  Unfortunately, the domain IS listed in 
sendmail.cw.  That was a good guess, though, and I'd never hold you to 
the bet.  ;)

There isn't anything showing up in the MTA logs.  Qrunner just runs, then
happily exits.  Sigh.

Thanks again!
Dave Klingler

> Dave Klingler wrote:
> >  What
> > I get in the "post" log is
> > 
> > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) post to test from mailman-owner at beersellers.net, si
> > ze=1315, 1 failures
> > 
> > The "smtp" log contains
> > 
> > "Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) All recipients refused: Connection unexpectedly closed
> > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.240 seconds
> 
> So this is a problem with your MTA, so you checked your MTA logs, right?
>  
> > and yet I can send myself simple tests using "mail [recipient].
> > 
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Yup.  Bet you a dollar your domain isn't listed in sendmail.cw.
> 




From John.Stidd at pahv.xerox.com  Wed Mar 14 01:37:40 2001
From: John.Stidd at pahv.xerox.com (Stidd, John)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:37:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The perennial question: Moving lists?
Message-ID: <51B8ABCE456FD111899900805F6FD6EE09C5F53B@mercury.ADOC.xerox.com>

I have a different, but related question.  I need to move all of an
installation's mailing list archives to a different directory, in order to
avoid filling up a rather small volume mounted on /usr.  I tried to do this
by making $prefix/archives/private a symbolic link to the new directory, but
couldn't get Apache to accept this.  (There would be two levels of symlinks
- one from $prefix/archives/public to
$prefix/archives/private/<mailing-list>, and the other in the replacement of
the $prefix/archives/private subdirectory with the new symlink.  Apache
won't handle this even if all of the directories involved are specified with
the FollowSymLinks option.)

Another approach is to reinstall Mailman in the new directory, and move all
of the Mailman data to the new directory.  I was able to make this work,
except for the archiving of new messages.  I moved the contents of the
directories $prefix/archives, lists, and logs.  All of the symlinks in
$prefix/archives/public need to be changed to point to the new directory
(simple shellscript).  The /etc/aliases file needs to be updated, and so on.
The problem is that the original directory is also referenced numerous times
in several files in each list's archive directory
($prefix/archives/private/<mailing-list>), including pipermail.pck and the
.lock files.  There is a comment in the Pipermail code that suggests that it
can be called in a fashion that supports moving archives, but Mailman 1.1
doesn't do that, apparently.  New messages are archived in the old archive
directory, even though the PREFIX in mm_cfg.py has been updated to the new
directory.  The pipermail code retrieves the directory information from the
archive files, instead of from mm_cfg.py.

Has anyone moved Mailman/pipermail archives to a new directory?  Does
Mailman 2.x make this any easier?

Thanks,
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Orion (Steve Pirk) [mailto:orion at deathcon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:29 PM
> To: Tom Geller
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] The perennial question: Moving lists?
> 
> 
> The way I did it was to tar up the entire contents of
> /home/mailman making sure that file ownership and permissions
> were retained in the tar file.
> 
 . . . . .

(about moving lists to a new machine)



From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Mar 14 02:02:18 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:02:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <200103140033.RAA01438@mail.commercedata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131652410.15909-100000@pirk.com>

Dave,

Assuming that the domain truly is "beersellers.net", I think it
is a mailer problem. I tried to telnet to beersellers.net 25
and got immediately booted:
Trying 208.248.173.68...
Connected to beersellers.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
Connection closed by foreign host.

Do you have TCP wrappers set up? Can you give us a sample e-mail
addy on that box so that we can test externally without using Mailman?

The only other things I can think of are the local aliases file.
Also make sure your DNS is set up correctly... I did an nslookup
set type=mx and got:
beersellers.net preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.beersellers.net
beersellers.net preference = 10, mail exchanger = 208.248.173.68
beersellers.net nameserver = 208.248.173.1

I tried to telnet to mail.beersellers.net, and got:
mail.beersellers.net: Host name lookup failure

Talking to "your" DNS server, mail.beersellers.net is the same IP as
beersellers.net (208.248.173.68), but I am not resloving 
mail.beersellers.net. Also, you should only has the mail preferences
set "equally" if you have multiple mail servers handling all the
inbound traffic.

Hope this helps...

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Klingler wrote:

> Hi Dan.  Thanks for the help.  Unfortunately, the domain IS listed in 
> sendmail.cw.  That was a good guess, though, and I'd never hold you to 
> the bet.  ;)
> 
> There isn't anything showing up in the MTA logs.  Qrunner just runs, then
> happily exits.  Sigh.
> 
> Thanks again!
> Dave Klingler
> 
> > Dave Klingler wrote:
> > >  What
> > > I get in the "post" log is
> > > 
> > > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) post to test from mailman-owner at beersellers.net, si
> > > ze=1315, 1 failures
> > > 
> > > The "smtp" log contains
> > > 
> > > "Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) All recipients refused: Connection unexpectedly closed
> > > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.240 seconds
> > 
> > So this is a problem with your MTA, so you checked your MTA logs, right?
> >  
> > > and yet I can send myself simple tests using "mail [recipient].
> > > 
> > > Anyone have any ideas?
> > 
> > Yup.  Bet you a dollar your domain isn't listed in sendmail.cw.
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From LongL at doubletwist.com  Wed Mar 14 02:19:48 2001
From: LongL at doubletwist.com (Long Li)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:19:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] insert hyperlink in footer
Message-ID: <3D82EFC06BB9D311B0940090277C086C02FBD9B3@exchange.panbio.com>

Dear all;

I want to insert a hyperlinked text into the footer. Can I do that just like
this <a href="http://some.com">my text</a>? If not, what the correct way of
insert hyperlink? Thanks a lot.

Long



From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Mar 14 02:45:25 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Orion (Steve Pirk))
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:45:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] insert hyperlink in footer
In-Reply-To: <3D82EFC06BB9D311B0940090277C086C02FBD9B3@exchange.panbio.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131737170.15909-100000@pirk.com>

That might work, but most web based e-mail readers convert e-mail
addresses and URL's to html for you. I might try it on a test list,
but if you want to do it right, youi would most likely have to do
the footer as multi-part MIME. Would be a mess.

The e-mail address for the list, and the webaddress show up as links
on go.com amil, yahoo mail, netscape mail reader, and I believe also
outlook express.

The only part that will not work right is the target text. You could
say:
http://some.com my text
and it would show up as some.com being a link.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Long Li wrote:

> 
> Dear all;
> 
> I want to insert a hyperlinked text into the footer. Can I do that just like
> this <a href="http://some.com">my text</a>? If not, what the correct way of
> insert hyperlink? Thanks a lot.
> 
> Long
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Wed Mar 14 03:22:25 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:22:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
Message-ID: <200103140220.SAA07812@utopia.west.sun.com>

Well, I'd trace the execution of a manual qrunner, then, and find out
what it's doing, if not calling sendmail.  If there's *nothing* in
the MTA logs, then how are you getting this failure?....


> Hi Dan.  Thanks for the help.  Unfortunately, the domain IS listed in 
> sendmail.cw.  That was a good guess, though, and I'd never hold you to 
> the bet.  ;)
> 
> There isn't anything showing up in the MTA logs.  Qrunner just runs, then
> happily exits.  Sigh.
> 
> Thanks again!
> Dave Klingler
> 
> > Dave Klingler wrote:
> > >  What
> > > I get in the "post" log is
> > > 
> > > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) post to test from 
mailman-owner at beersellers.net, si
> > > ze=1315, 1 failures
> > > 
> > > The "smtp" log contains
> > > 
> > > "Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) All recipients refused: Connection 
unexpectedly closed
> > > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.240 seconds
> > 
> > So this is a problem with your MTA, so you checked your MTA logs, right?
> >  
> > > and yet I can send myself simple tests using "mail [recipient].
> > > 
> > > Anyone have any ideas?
> > 
> > Yup.  Bet you a dollar your domain isn't listed in sendmail.cw.
> > 
> 




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Wed Mar 14 06:17:50 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:17:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qrunner probs. with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <200103140220.SAA07812@utopia.west.sun.com> from "Dan Mick" at Mar 13, 2001 06:22:25 PM
Message-ID: <200103140517.WAA08638@mail.commercedata.com>

Whew.  That was subtle.  Thanks for the heads up, Dan and Steve.  I had been 
procrastinating on telneting into port 25 because it'd been so long since I'd 
done it I couldn't remember what I would do afterward.  I wish I'd tried that 
first.

I had some extra carriage returns in my inetd.conf.  The arguments didn't show 
up in a ps because the lines were long enough that they got truncated.
so I thought the right processes were actually running with the arguments 
intact.

So inetd would start up tcp_virtuald (a virtual tcp wrapper) which would start 
up the sendmail with bogus, truncated arguments.  Qrunner would run and then 
exit without (I thought) leaving much to go on, although in retrospect it was a 
big red flag.  Luckily I popped into my inetd.conf just to check things one 
last time.  I started to turn all the virtual wrapper stuff off and (good thing
I use vi) noticed that a "$" didn't take me to the end of a line.  Doh!

So thanks!  You put me on the right track.

Dave Klingler

> 
> Well, I'd trace the execution of a manual qrunner, then, and find out
> what it's doing, if not calling sendmail.  If there's *nothing* in
> the MTA logs, then how are you getting this failure?....
> 
> 
> > Hi Dan.  Thanks for the help.  Unfortunately, the domain IS listed in 
> > sendmail.cw.  That was a good guess, though, and I'd never hold you to 
> > the bet.  ;)
> > 
> > There isn't anything showing up in the MTA logs.  Qrunner just runs, then
> > happily exits.  Sigh.
> > 
> > Thanks again!
> > Dave Klingler
> > 
> > > Dave Klingler wrote:
> > > >  What
> > > > I get in the "post" log is
> > > > 
> > > > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) post to test from 
> mailman-owner at beersellers.net, si
> > > > ze=1315, 1 failures
> > > > 
> > > > The "smtp" log contains
> > > > 
> > > > "Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) All recipients refused: Connection 
> unexpectedly closed
> > > > Mar 13 14:27:27 2001 (17741) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.240 seconds
> > > 
> > > So this is a problem with your MTA, so you checked your MTA logs, right?
> > >  
> > > > and yet I can send myself simple tests using "mail [recipient].
> > > > 
> > > > Anyone have any ideas?
> > > 
> > > Yup.  Bet you a dollar your domain isn't listed in sendmail.cw.
> > > 
> > 
> 




From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Wed Mar 14 07:21:09 2001
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (Michael Dunston)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3' when using HTDig ... ?
Message-ID: <20010314062109.2685@mail.music.vt.edu>

This was the result of clicking on any item returned by an HTDig search
in the archives.  Has anyone else using HTDig with the Mailman v2.0.3
archives run into this?  Thanks for any suggestions.


Mar 14 01:01:37 2001 admin(1665): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(1665): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.3 -----]
admin(1665): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(1665): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(1665):   File "/Local/Library/WebServer/mailman/scripts/driver",
line 96, in run_main
admin(1665):     main()
admin(1665):   File "/Local/Library/WebServer/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/
htdig.py", line 136, in main
admin(1665):     if len(list_info) == 3:
admin(1665): TypeError: len() of unsized object


. . .  .  .   .   .    .    .     .     .
Michael




From ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org  Wed Mar 14 07:36:54 2001
From: ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org (Muhammad Ashraf)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:36:54 +0500 (PKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of passwd
 to  our users twice
In-Reply-To: <20010313142916.A221284@shadow.bic.mni.mcgill.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103141134210.6622-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>

cron entry is fine i think.
cron is here
3*************
 At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# Every 1/2 hour flush the outgoing mail queue.
12,42 * * * * /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue
#******************
This hapeens only on first day of month,normally i receive no complaint

any other suggestion

> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:29:17 -0500
> From: Jean-Francois Malouin <malin at bic.mni.mcgill.ca>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Why my Mailman Send monthly reminder of
>     passwd to  our users twice
> 
> * Rick Pasotto (rick at niof.net) [20010313 14:23] thus spake:
> > That wasn't the question.
> > 
> > The problem is that *some* users get the monthly reminder twice even
> > though they get only one copy of other posts. Why?
> 
> check your crontab. I had this problem until I realized that
> I had duplicated crontabs for root and mailman...doh!
> 
> HTH,
> jf
> 
> > 
> > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Muhammad Ashraf wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  I am in trouble because my mailman send a monthly reminder twice to
> > > >  a users.this happens on each first day of each month.How i can
> > > >  prevent my mailman send reminder only one time at each mouth's
> > > >  first day 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "The market is not an invention of capitalism.  It has
> >  existed for centuries.  It is an invention of civilization."
> > 		-- Mikhail Gorbachev
> > 		   Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 

-- 
Regards,
Hope remains forever.
      
      Muhammad Ashraf
Assistant Internet Engineer





From M.Mayer at mainwork.com  Wed Mar 14 10:54:11 2001
From: M.Mayer at mainwork.com (M.Mayer at mainwork.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I prevent auto-responses on subscription-requests?
Message-ID: <OF5BF20CA3.57266B81-ONC1256A0D.002DB1F4@fident01d>

I run mailman version 2.0 and want to prevent that mailman sends
auto-messages to persons who request to join the list (via the -request
adress).

I've selected the following settings:

Membership Management:
Send Welcome message to this batch? "no"

Auto-Responder
Should Mailman send an auto-response to emails sent to the -request
address? If you choose yes, decide whether you want Mailman to discard the
original email, or forward it on to the system as a normal mail command.

But each time someone requests approval to subscribe the list. he or she
gets a notification, that the subscription request has been forwarded to
the list administrator for review.
Is there any possibility to prevent this ?


Can anyone give me an advice ?

cheers
markus mayer




From felipe at apex-ctr.com  Wed Mar 14 12:13:05 2001
From: felipe at apex-ctr.com (Felipe Sanchez Elich)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:13:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private lists
Message-ID: <01031411130507.15483@bubble.grupo-apex.es>

Hello.
First of all, sorry about my poor english (if anyone speak spanish, ?yo soy 
de Orcasitas!) ;)

How can I create private lists? All the lists I have created are visible in 
both http://www.mysite.com/mailman/listinfo and 
http://www.mysite.com/mailman/admin.

I would like to hide the existence of some lists, ok? ;)

Thanks!!!

Felipe



From lionel at mamane.lu  Wed Mar 14 12:36:23 2001
From: lionel at mamane.lu (Lionel Elie Mamane)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:36:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to only grant  mail list administor to send mail?
In-Reply-To: <001901bf8d84$3c600b30$ec05a8c0@tonny>; from liu.dongsheng@etang.net on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 03:09:27PM +0800
References: <3A650CD4.2DD29E7F@hal-pc.org> <001901bf8d84$3c600b30$ec05a8c0@tonny>
Message-ID: <20010314123623.B20304@home.mamane.lu>

On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 03:09:27PM +0800, Tonny Liu wrote:

> their request is, to a list, just the list administor can send mail
> magazine and others can't.

administrative inteferface, privacy options.

Put "Restrict posting privilege to list members?
(member_posting_only)" to "no", and put the administrator's address in
"Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without
implicit approval requirement."

-- 
Lionel Elie Mamane
RFC 1991 (PGP 2.x) 2048 bits Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 20C897E9):
    85CF 986F 263E 8CD0 80FD 4B8C F5F9 C17D
OpenPGP DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 3E7B4B73):
	9DAD 3131 3ADA F50B D096 002A B1C4 7317 3E7B 4B73
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From lionel at mamane.lu  Wed Mar 14 12:37:16 2001
From: lionel at mamane.lu (Lionel Elie Mamane)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:37:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private lists
Message-ID: <20010314123716.C20304@home.mamane.lu>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:13:05AM +0000, Felipe Sanchez Elich wrote:

> How can I create private lists?

Go on the administrative page for the list, "privacy options", set 
"Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?"
to "no".


-- 
Lionel Elie Mamane
RFC 1991 (PGP 2.x) 2048 bits Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 20C897E9):
    85CF 986F 263E 8CD0 80FD 4B8C F5F9 C17D
OpenPGP DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 3E7B4B73):
	9DAD 3131 3ADA F50B D096 002A B1C4 7317 3E7B 4B73



From jim at jim.southcom.com.au  Wed Mar 14 13:05:33 2001
From: jim at jim.southcom.com.au (Jim Woodward)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:05:33 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors: OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103142301040.15733-100000@jim.southcom.com.au>

Hi All,

I've been using mailman since the 1.x  versions and am now using 2.0.3
but ever since upgrading from 2.0 to 2.0.2 (the problem didnt exist with
2.0) I have been getting the following email every time somebody posts:


Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:54:01 +1100
From: root (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman
Subject: Cron <mailman at jim> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
    kids = main(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
    os.unlink(root+'.db')
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/030bc82d3ca615fa3c90f8f141e595b8a1a3a1e0.db'



This doesnt seem to affect the processign of the message, but I get one
for every message posed to the list (as i said archives and posting to all
members work fine).

It seems that the .db file is gone before it can remove/access it.

Mailman seems to function fine except for that email being sent after evry
post (the .db file name does change with every post too)

Any ideas on how to rectify it?


Regards, Jim


-
name  : Jim Woodward
www   : http://www.jim.southcom.com.au
email : jim at jim.southcom.com.au




From mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 14 19:18:55 2001
From: mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Martin=20Cleaver?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:18:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I forgot my admin password
Message-ID: <20010314181855.86122.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there,
  I forgot the administrative password for
cvswebclient-announce at lists.sourceforge.net - what should I do?
There doesn't seem to be a way of getting it to send it back to
me.

Thanks,
  Martin.


=====
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From glaughln at memphis.edu  Wed Mar 14 19:45:56 2001
From: glaughln at memphis.edu (Gregory K. Laughlin)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:45:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Avoiding Requests for Approval
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010314124138.009fa910@postoffice.memphis.edu>

I have set up a number of lists using Mailman.  All is well except
for the following problem.  Some of my lists have other lists subscribed
to them (in addition to individual email addresses -- so they are not
entirely lists of lists).  Message pass through fine to the individual
subscribers, but the I get emails (as list administrator) for Requests
for Approval to post the messages to the lists that are subscribers.
How do I avoid having to approve messages to these lists from other
lists? (Note, messages posted directly to these lists go through fine
without Requests for Approval.)  Please reply directly to me at the
address in the signature as I am not a subscriber to
mailman-users at python.org

Thanks,


Gregory K. Laughlin
Associate Dean for Information Resources and Law Library Director
The University of Memphis Law Library
3715 Central Avenue
Memphis, TN  38152
voice:  901-678-3244
fax:    901-678-5293
e-mail: glaughln at memphis.edu




From orion at deathcon.com  Wed Mar 14 20:18:24 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:18:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Avoiding Requests for Approval
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010314124138.009fa910@postoffice.memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103141115460.26493-100000@q3.deathcon.com>

Sounds like the other "lists" are configured so that the "from"
address is the poster, and not the list. Since a poster to the
other list may not be a subscriber to your list, your list holds
it for administrative approval.

If you know the people who run the other lists, then you might be
able to get them to change the from address to be list-admin at some.com
Not elegant, but it might fix the problem.

Steve
--
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Gregory K. Laughlin wrote:

> I have set up a number of lists using Mailman.  All is well except
> for the following problem.  Some of my lists have other lists subscribed
> to them (in addition to individual email addresses -- so they are not
> entirely lists of lists).  Message pass through fine to the individual
> subscribers, but the I get emails (as list administrator) for Requests
> for Approval to post the messages to the lists that are subscribers.
> How do I avoid having to approve messages to these lists from other
> lists? (Note, messages posted directly to these lists go through fine
> without Requests for Approval.)  Please reply directly to me at the
> address in the signature as I am not a subscriber to
> mailman-users at python.org
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Gregory K. Laughlin
> Associate Dean for Information Resources and Law Library Director
> The University of Memphis Law Library
> 3715 Central Avenue
> Memphis, TN  38152
> voice:  901-678-3244
> fax:    901-678-5293
> e-mail: glaughln at memphis.edu
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 




From felipe at apex-ctr.com  Wed Mar 14 13:55:13 2001
From: felipe at apex-ctr.com (Felipe Sanchez Elich)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:55:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private lists
In-Reply-To: <20010314123716.C20304@home.mamane.lu>
References: <20010314123716.C20304@home.mamane.lu>
Message-ID: <01031412551300.20321@bubble.grupo-apex.es>

Thanks to all for your help, I've tried but i forgot to save the changes!! 
O:-)



From steve at roatanet.com  Thu Mar 15 01:22:28 2001
From: steve at roatanet.com (Steve Hasz)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments, HTML, Message sizes including attachments
Message-ID: <NEBBINCGELPLIEMKGFMEMECPDFAA.steve@roatanet.com>

I run the Roatan Discussion List at:
http://list.linuxlabworks.com/mailman/listinfo/roatan

In the admin tool and documentation, I have been unable to find answers to
the following questions.

1.  Is it possible to strip attachments from messages or not allow them?

2.  Barring that, I see I can limit the size of messages, but only the size
of the text body.  My list received two attachments today that were ~1Meg in
size.  Is there a way to limit the size of the attachments allowed?  I
currently have the text size set at 70K.

3.  I'm sure the digest subscribers to my list are pissed off about the 1
meg attachments, since they get everything in plain text format.  Is there a
way to strip out all HTML from messages so they are delivered as plain text.

I noticed that Yahoo groups provides most of what I need, but I like a lot
of the flexibility provided by Mailman.

As a side note, I tried searching as recommended by the faq, but I couldn't
get any results to come up.  I prefer searching past archives to posting to
a list.  I looked in the archives, but downloading 26 Meg seemed formidable.

Best regards,
Steve




From jthomas at portlandmedia.com  Thu Mar 15 01:55:53 2001
From: jthomas at portlandmedia.com (Jack Thomas)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:55:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments, HTML, Message sizes including attachments
References: <NEBBINCGELPLIEMKGFMEMECPDFAA.steve@roatanet.com>
Message-ID: <01ee01c0acea$affa11e0$9c86cacf@thathostingcompany.com>

Perhaps with a mail filter, you could specify the limits and strip
attachments.

I don't know what your setup for an MTA is, so it's hard to say for sure.

If they are directed to the list then strip them, if its a "regular" user,
then it's ignored, or allowed to pass.

Hope that helps.

0- Jack
jthomas at portlandmedia.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hasz" <steve at roatanet.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 4:22 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments, HTML, Message sizes
including attachments


> I run the Roatan Discussion List at:
> http://list.linuxlabworks.com/mailman/listinfo/roatan
>
> In the admin tool and documentation, I have been unable to find answers to
> the following questions.
>
> 1.  Is it possible to strip attachments from messages or not allow them?
>
> 2.  Barring that, I see I can limit the size of messages, but only the
size
> of the text body.  My list received two attachments today that were ~1Meg
in
> size.  Is there a way to limit the size of the attachments allowed?  I
> currently have the text size set at 70K.
>
> 3.  I'm sure the digest subscribers to my list are pissed off about the 1
> meg attachments, since they get everything in plain text format.  Is there
a
> way to strip out all HTML from messages so they are delivered as plain
text.
>
> I noticed that Yahoo groups provides most of what I need, but I like a lot
> of the flexibility provided by Mailman.
>
> As a side note, I tried searching as recommended by the faq, but I
couldn't
> get any results to come up.  I prefer searching past archives to posting
to
> a list.  I looked in the archives, but downloading 26 Meg seemed
formidable.
>
> Best regards,
> Steve
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From alex at phred.org  Thu Mar 15 03:16:06 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:16:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments, HTML, Message sizes
 including attachments
In-Reply-To: <NEBBINCGELPLIEMKGFMEMECPDFAA.steve@roatanet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103141814460.77163-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Steve Hasz wrote:
> 1.  Is it possible to strip attachments from messages or not allow them?

My filter at http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html does this.  At
the bottom of the webpage are links to some other similar scripts.

> 2.  Barring that, I see I can limit the size of messages, but only the size
> of the text body.  My list received two attachments today that were ~1Meg in
> size.  Is there a way to limit the size of the attachments allowed?  I
> currently have the text size set at 70K.

Attachments should be included in the text body size.  Did you somehow
disable this?

> 3.  I'm sure the digest subscribers to my list are pissed off about the 1
> meg attachments, since they get everything in plain text format.  Is there a
> way to strip out all HTML from messages so they are delivered as plain text.

stripmime does this as well.

> As a side note, I tried searching as recommended by the faq, but I couldn't
> get any results to come up.  I prefer searching past archives to posting to
> a list.  I looked in the archives, but downloading 26 Meg seemed formidable.

You can search the archives at http://www.python.org.

alex




From glaughln at memphis.edu  Thu Mar 15 04:53:04 2001
From: glaughln at memphis.edu (Gregory K. Laughlin)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:53:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing list information from mail header
Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.0.20010314214544.00a57b70@postoffice.memphis.edu>

Is there a way to remove the various URLs from the header of
messages forwarded by lists?

For example:

List-Help: <mailto:list-request at domain?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:list at domain>
List-Subscribe: <https://domain/mailman/listinfo/list>,
<mailto:list-request at domain?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: <list.domain>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://domain/mailman/listinfo/list>,
<mailto:list-request at sdomain?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://domain/pipermail/list/>

I am having to approve posts forwarded from one list I
maintain to another list I maintain and I suspect that
it is because I configured the recipient lists to send
what appear as administrative requests to the list owner
and because of these headers Mailman believes
that the messages from the umbrella lists are administrative
requests.

Please reply directly to me as I do not subscribe to
mailman-users at python.org

Thanks In Advance





From jamesnzeh1 at yahoo.com.au  Thu Mar 15 08:08:33 2001
From: jamesnzeh1 at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?james=20nzeh?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:08:33 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL}
Message-ID: <20010315070833.66990.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>

DEAR SIR,

IN ORDER TO TRANSFER OUT (USD 26 MILLION DOLLARS) FROM
OUR BANK. I HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR
ASSISTANCE BY PROVIDING YOUR ACCOUNT OR TO LOOK FOR A
RELIABLE AND HONEST PERSON WHO WILL BE CAPABLE FOR
THIS IMPORTANT BUSINESS BELIEVING THAT YOU WILL NEVER
LET ME DOWN EITHER NOW OR IN FUTURE.

I AM JAMES NZEH  , THE EASTERN DISTRICT BANK MANAGER
OF UNITED BANK FOR AFRICA PLC. (UBA). THERE IS AN
ACCOUNT OPENED IN THIS BANK IN 1980 AND SINCE 1990
AFTER THE MILITARY TAKE OVER NOBODY HAS OPERATED ON
THIS ACCOUNT AGAIN. AFTER GOING THROUGH SOME OLD FILES
IN THE RECORDS I DISCOVERED THAT IF I DO NOT REMITT
THIS MONEY OUT URGENTLY IT WILL BE FORFEITED FOR
NOTHING.

THE OWNER OF THIS ACCOUNT IS ENGR.ANDREAS B. SMITH, A
FOREIGNER, AND THE MANAGER OF PETRO ? TECHNICAL
SUPPORT SERVICES, A CHEMICAL ENGINEER BY PROFESSION
AND  HE DIED SINCE 1990. NO OTHER PERSON KNOWS ABOUT
THIS ACCOUNT OR ANY THING CONCERNING IT, THE ACCOUNT
HAS NO OTHER BENEFICIARY AND MY INVESTIGATION PROVED
TO ME AS WELL THAT THIS COMPANY DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT THIS ACCOUNT AND THE AMOUNT INVOLVED IS (USD 26
MILLION DOLLARS). 

I WANT TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY INTO A SAFE FOREIGNERS
ACCOUNT ABROAD BUT I DON?T KNOW ANY FOREIGNER, I AM
ONLY CONTACTING YOU AS A FOREIGNER BECAUSE THIS MONEY
CAN NOT BE APPROVED TO A LOCAL BANK
HERE, BUT CAN ONLY BE APPROVED TO ANY FOREIGN ACCOUNT
BECAUSE THE MONEY IS IN U.S DOLLARS AND THE FORMER
OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT IS MR. DAVIS U.ARTINS, IS 
AFOREIGNER TOO.  I KNOW THAT THIS MASSAGE WILL COME TO
YOU AS A SURPRISE AS WE  DON?T KNOW OUR SELVES BEFORE,
BUT BE SURE THAT IT IS REAL AND A GENUINE BUSINESS. I
ONLY GOT YOUR CONTACT ADDRESS FROM THE COMPUTER ,WITH
BELIEVE IN GOD THAT YOU WILL NEVER LET ME DOWN IN THIS
BUSINESS YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THAT I HAVE CONTACTED
IN THIS BUSINESS, SO PLEASE REPLY URGENTLY SO THAT I
WILL INFORM YOU THE NEXT STEP TO TAKE URGENTLY. SEND
ALSO YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER INCLUDING
THE FULL DETAILS OF THE  ACCOUNT TO BE USED FOR THE
DEPOSIT.

I WANT US TO MEET FACE TO FACE OR SIGN A BINDING
AGREEMENT TO BIND US TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE
THIS MONEY INTO A FORIEGN ACCOUNT OR ANY ACCOUNT OF
YOUR CHOICE WHERE THE FUND WILL BE SAFE. AND I WILL
FLY TO YOUR COUNTRY FOR WITHDRAWAL AND SHARING AND
OTHER INVESTMENTS.

I AM CONTACTING YOU BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT A FOREIGN
PARTY MUST BE INVOLVE IF I AM TO SUCCEED IN THIS
BUSINESS.,NOT THAT I CAN NOT OPEN A FOREIGN ACCOUNT
BUT BECAUSE A FOREINER IS NEEDED TO ACT AS THE
RIGHTFUL BENEFICIARY OF THE ACCOUNT FROM THE LATE YOU
MARTINS.   I NEED YOUR FULL CO-OPERATION TO MAKE THIS
TRANSFER A SUCCESS. BECAUSE THE MANAGEMENT IS READY TO
APPROVE THIS PAYMENT TO ANY FOREIGNER WHO HAS
CORRECTINFORMATION OF THIS ACCOUNT, WHICH I WILL GIVE
TO YOU IMMEDIATELY, IF YOU ARE ABLE AND WITH
CAPABILITY TO HANDLE SUCH AMOUNT IN STRICT CONFIDENCE
AND TRUST

ACCORDING TO MY INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE FOR OUR MUTUAL
BENEFIT BECAUSE THIS OPPORTUNITY WILL NEVER COME AGAIN
IN MY LIFE. I NEED TRUTHFUL PERSON IN THIS BUSINESS
BECAUSE I DON?T WANT TO MAKE MISTAKE, I NEED YOUR
STRONG ASSURANCE AND TRUST.

WITH MY POSITION NOW IN THE OFFICE I CAN TRANSFER THIS
MONEY TO ANY FOREIGNER?S RELIABLE ACCOUNT WHICH YOU
CAN PROVIDE WITH ASSURANCE THAT THIS MONEY WILL BE
INTACT PENDING MY PHYSICAL ARRIVAL IN YOUR COUNTRY FOR
SHARING. I WILL DESTROY ALL DOCUMENTS OF TRANSACTION
IMMEDIATELY WE RECIEVE THIS MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT
LEAVING NO TRACE TO ANY PLACE. YOU CAN ALSO COME TO
DISCUSS WITH ME FACE TO FACE AFTER WHICH I WILL MAKE
THIS REMITTANCE IN YOUR PRESENCE AND TWO OF US WILL
FLY TO YOUR COUNTRY AT LEAST TWO DAYS AHEAD OF THE
MONEY GOING INTO THE ACCOUNT.

I WILL APPLY FOR ANNUAL LEAVE TO GET VISA IMMEDIATELY
I HEAR FROM YOU THAT YOU ARE READY TO ACT AND RECEIVE
THIS FUND IN YOUR ACCOUNT. I WILL USE MY POSITION AND
INFLUENCE TO EFFECT LEGAL APPROVALS AND ONWARD
TRANSFER OF THIS MONEY TO YOUR ACCOUNT WITH
APPROPRIATE CLEARANCE FORMS OF THE MINISTRIES AND
FOREIGN EXCHANGE DEPARTMENTS.

AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS BUSINESS, YOU WILL BE GIVEN
35% OF THE TOTAL MOUNT, 60% WILL BE FOR ME, WHILE 5%
WILL BE FOR EXPENSES BOTH PARTIES MIGHT HAVE INCURED
DURING THE PROCESS OF TRANSFERING.

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR EARLIEST REPLY BY PHONE OR
EMAIL.

PHONE: 234-42-4589155
E MAIL TO : jamesnzeh at accountant.com


YOURS TRUELY,

JAMES NZEH . 



_____________________________________________________________________________
http://store.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Store
- The fastest, easiest way to open an online store.



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Thu Mar 15 08:21:29 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:21:29 -0800
Subject: Scam (was Re: [Mailman-Users] {URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL})
In-Reply-To: <20010315070833.66990.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010314231404.02a2bb20@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 11:08 PM 3/14/01, james nzeh wrote:
 >DEAR SIR,
 >
 >IN ORDER TO TRANSFER OUT (USD 26 MILLION DOLLARS) FROM
 >OUR BANK. I HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR
 >ASSISTANCE BY PROVIDING YOUR ACCOUNT OR TO LOOK FOR A
 >RELIABLE AND HONEST PERSON WHO WILL BE CAPABLE FOR
 >THIS IMPORTANT BUSINESS BELIEVING THAT YOU WILL NEVER
 >LET ME DOWN EITHER NOW OR IN FUTURE.
 >
 >I AM JAMES NZEH  , THE EASTERN DISTRICT BANK MANAGER
 >OF UNITED BANK FOR AFRICA PLC. (UBA).

This is the first time I've seen the Nigerian Scam IRL, after hearing about 
it for so many years:

	<http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/scams/nigeria.htm>

jc




From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Mar 15 08:24:15 2001
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (Dario Lopez-Kästen)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:24:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL}
References: <20010315070833.66990.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c0ad20$f113f6b0$2235b5d4@DLKHOME>

----- Original Message -----
From: "james nzeh" <jamesnzeh1 at yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:08 AM

> NO OTHER PERSON KNOWS ABOUT
> THIS ACCOUNT OR ANY THING CONCERNING IT

Exiting! sending this to the secret mailman-users list is a smart move. I
promise none here will tell anybody about it.

/dario

- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten     Systems Developer  Chalmers Univ. of Technology
dario at ita.chalmers.se  ICQ will yield no hits    IT Systems & Services






From felipe at apex-ctr.com  Thu Mar 15 16:35:33 2001
From: felipe at apex-ctr.com (Felipe Sanchez Elich)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats
Message-ID: <01031515353304.00993@bubble.grupo-apex.es>

hello!

How can I make stats for the use of the lists?
Is any tool there?

thanks!!

Felipe



From geoking at notkin.net  Thu Mar 15 17:07:41 2001
From: geoking at notkin.net (geoking at notkin.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Problem with Mailman List
Message-ID: <v04220808b6d6992e8680@[63.25.170.128]>

Dear Sit/Madam:

I am the owner of the following list:

http://lists.notkin.net/mailman/listinfo/paleolist

My admin email is ammonite at notkin.net

For some reason, I cannot enter the admin section of the site, and I 
need to request that the password be re-set. The FAQ section for the 
Mailman lists states that I need to request this from the 
administrator, and I'd be most grateful if you could put me in touch 
with the right person, or forward this request on my behalf.

Thanks in advance,

Geoff Notkin
ammonite at notkin.net
geoking at notkin.net


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Geoffrey Notkin
Senior Art Director
Stanegate Studios/Notkin.net
P.O. Box 87,  Jersey City, NJ 07303

Telephone: (201) 435-8888      Fax:  (201) 946-1199

Email: geoking at notkin.net     ammonite at aol.com
Web:   www.notkin.net

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

A paleontologist has more cause than most to reflect upon time: its 
measurement, its span, and its consequences.

  -- Richard Fortey

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From glaughln at memphis.edu  Thu Mar 15 17:20:37 2001
From: glaughln at memphis.edu (Gregory K. Laughlin)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:20:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010315101240.00a04620@postoffice.memphis.edu>

Is there a way to remove the various URLs from the header of
messages forwarded by lists?

For example:

List-Help: <mailto:list-request at domain?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:list at domain>
List-Subscribe: <https://domain/mailman/listinfo/list>,
         <mailto:list-request at domain?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: <list.domain>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://domain/mailman/listinfo/list>,
         <mailto:list-request at sdomain?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://domain/pipermail/list/>

I am having to approve posts forwarded from one list I maintain to
another list I maintain and I suspect that it is because I configured
the recipient lists to send what appear as administrative requests
to the list owner and because of these headers Mailman believes
that the messages from the umbrella lists are administrative requests.

I checked the

Regular-member (non-digest) Options Section,

but the "Header added"
is blank for the list, so it appears that the example headers listed above
are some kind of default, non-modifiable section of headers for list mail.

While I understand the utility of these headers, it would seem that
the list administrator should have the ability to remove them.  If not,
then it should be considered in future updates.

Otherwise, I will have no choice but to let seemingly administrative requests
pass to the list to avoid having the approve messages sent to lists that
have other lists subscribed.  Seems like a questionable solution.
(Or I can use other list software of sendmail aliases for lists that are
strictly lists of lists, but I would prefer using Mailman for all my lists,
including umbrella lists.)

Please reply directly to me as I do not subscribe to mailman-users at python.org

Thanks In Advance


Gregory K. Laughlin
Associate Dean for Information Resources and Law Library Director
The University of Memphis Law Library
3715 Central Avenue
Memphis, TN  38152
voice:  901-678-3244
fax:    901-678-5293
e-mail: glaughln at memphis.edu




From geoking at notkin.net  Thu Mar 15 17:35:10 2001
From: geoking at notkin.net (geoking at notkin.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:35:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Problem with Mailman List
Message-ID: <v0422080bb6d69f5afa04@[63.25.170.128]>

Dear Sir/Madam:

I am the owner of the following list:

[http:]  //lists.notkin.net/mailman/listinfo/paleolist

My admin email is ammonite at notkin.net

For some reason, I cannot enter the admin section of the site, and I 
need to request that the password be re-set. The FAQ section for the 
Mailman lists states that I need to request this from the 
administrator, but I don't know how to contact that person. I'd be 
most grateful if you could advise me how to locate the administrator 
for my site, or forward this request on my behalf.

Thanks in advance,

Geoff Notkin
ammonite at notkin.net
geoking at notkin.net

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Geoffrey Notkin
Senior Art Director
Stanegate Studios/Notkin.net
P.O. Box 87,  Jersey City, NJ 07303

Telephone: (201) 435-8888      Fax:  (201) 946-1199

Email: geoking at notkin.net     ammonite at aol.com
Web:   www.notkin.net

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

A paleontologist has more cause than most to reflect upon time: its 
measurement, its span, and its consequences.

  -- Richard Fortey

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Thu Mar 15 17:46:20 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:46:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Problem with Mailman List 
In-Reply-To: Message from geoking@notkin.net 
   of "Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:35:10 EST." <v0422080bb6d69f5afa04@[63.25.170.128]> 
Message-ID: <E14datI-0001CE-00@rioja.localnet>

geoking at notkin.net said:
> I am the owner of the following list:
> [http:]  //lists.notkin.net/mailman/listinfo/paleolist 

If you have problems with admining that list you need to talk to the 
person who administers Mailman on that machine.  This is a general 
Mailman usage/development list - obviously we do not have passwords for 
your particular installation.

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From amatta at atlas.puj.edu.co  Thu Mar 15 18:02:11 2001
From: amatta at atlas.puj.edu.co (Antonio MATTA)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:02:11 -0500 (COT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103151200230.4910-100000@atlas.puj.edu.co>

________________________________________________________________________________


Bug in Mailman version 1.1

Hello:

When I tried to administer a list using mailman I got the following
messsage.
I was wondering if you can help because I do no know what to do.

Antonio.

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site
with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
    cookie='admin')
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in
WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in
CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range





Environment variables:

 Variable
                        Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                        /home/httpd/html 
 SERVER_ADDR 
                        172.16.6.3 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
                        gzip 
 SERVER_PORT 
                        80 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                        /home/httpd/html/informatica/members 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                        172.16.12.2 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                        Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) Debian/SPARC PHP/3.0.18 
 UNIQUE_ID 
                        OrDiW6wQBgMAAFDIy44 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
                        en 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                        1038 
 SERVER_NAME 
                        escher.puj.edu.co 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                        Keep-Alive 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                        Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20
i686; Nav) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                        iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                        image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                        /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/informatica/members?chunk=1 
 PATH 
                        /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin 
 QUERY_STRING 
                        chunk=1 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                        /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin 
 PATH_INFO 
                        /informatica/members 
 HTTP_HOST 
                        escher.puj.edu.co 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                        GET 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                        /cgi-bin/mailman/admin 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                        webmaster at debian.puj.edu.co 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                        CGI/1.1 
 PYTHONPATH 
                        /var/lib/mailman 
 HTTP_COOKIE 
                        chuckmIMPlang=en 
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                        HTTP/1.0 
 HTTP_REFERER 
                        http://escher/mailman/admin/informatica/members 






From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Thu Mar 15 18:49:17 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:49:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Problem with Mailman List 
In-Reply-To: <E14datI-0001CE-00@rioja.localnet>
References: <Message from geoking@notkin.net  of "Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:35:10 EST." <v0422080bb6d69f5afa04@[63.25.170.128]>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315124403.00c07390@mail.stetson.edu>

At 04:46 PM 3/15/01 +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

>geoking at notkin.net said:
> > I am the owner of the following list:
> > [http:]  //lists.notkin.net/mailman/listinfo/paleolist
>
>If you have problems with admining that list you need to talk to the
>person who administers Mailman on that machine.  This is a general
>Mailman usage/development list - obviously we do not have passwords for
>your particular installation.

Yes, but I think we can kindly point him to mailman-owner at lists.notkin.net

Geoff, if you send the same message to that address or maybe;
mailman-owner at notkin.net  There is probably a person there who 
can help you.

This is the standard address for the mailman administrator.

Good Luck,

-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From mailman at rjka.com  Thu Mar 15 21:02:04 2001
From: mailman at rjka.com (MAILMAN Server)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:02:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how does mailman get its mails?
Message-ID: <200103152002.OAA20712@rjka.com>

really silly question indeed :(
If I have multiple mailing lists called, a-list b-list ...
do I have to have mail-alias for all this mail-idents on my mail-server?
also, the default setting for the mailbox of my sendmail is /var/mail/somebody,

I mean the location of mailboxes.  Does mailman know how to find this by itself,
or do i have to configure it?

thank you vey much!



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Thu Mar 15 21:13:28 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:13:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103151200230.4910-100000@atlas.puj.edu.co>
Message-ID: <3AB12268.A214A27A@west.sun.com>


Antonio MATTA wrote:
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1
> 
> Hello:
> 
> When I tried to administer a list using mailman I got the following
> messsage.
> I was wondering if you can help because I do no know what to do.

Yes.  Upgrade to 2.x; this bug is long gone.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Thu Mar 15 21:15:24 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:15:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how does mailman get its mails?
References: <200103152002.OAA20712@rjka.com>
Message-ID: <3AB122DC.3DD87979@west.sun.com>


MAILMAN Server wrote:
> 
> really silly question indeed :(
> If I have multiple mailing lists called, a-list b-list ...
> do I have to have mail-alias for all this mail-idents on my mail-server?

Yes, of course.  The details are in the INSTALL text file.

> also, the default setting for the mailbox of my sendmail is /var/mail/somebody,
> 
> I mean the location of mailboxes.  Does mailman know how to find this by itself,
> or do i have to configure it?

Mailman doesn't use "mailboxes"; that's what the alias is for, to send the mails
to the Mailman subsystem instead.  See "man aliases" plus the Mailman INSTALL
doc.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Thu Mar 15 21:17:06 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:17:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010315101240.00a04620@postoffice.memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <3AB12342.E9016E5D@west.sun.com>


"Gregory K. Laughlin" wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to remove the various URLs from the header of
> messages forwarded by lists?
> 
> For example:
> 
> List-Help: <mailto:list-request at domain?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:list at domain>
> List-Subscribe: <https://domain/mailman/listinfo/list>,
>          <mailto:list-request at domain?subject=subscribe>
> List-Id: <list.domain>
> List-Unsubscribe: <https://domain/mailman/listinfo/list>,
>          <mailto:list-request at sdomain?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <https://domain/pipermail/list/>

No.  These are standard headers, as standard as To:, From:, or Received:.
They belong in the mail.

> Otherwise, I will have no choice but to let seemingly administrative requests
> pass to the list to avoid having the approve messages sent to lists that
> have other lists subscribed.  Seems like a questionable solution.
> (Or I can use other list software of sendmail aliases for lists that are
> strictly lists of lists, but I would prefer using Mailman for all my lists,
> including umbrella lists.)

I don't know what the solution to this problem should be, but removing
those headers shouldn't be it.



From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Thu Mar 15 21:16:15 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:16:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how does mailman get its mails?
In-Reply-To: <200103152002.OAA20712@rjka.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010315150841.00d8eed0@mail.stetson.edu>

At 02:02 PM 3/15/01 -0600, MAILMAN Server wrote:
>really silly question indeed :(
>If I have multiple mailing lists called, a-list b-list ...
>do I have to have mail-alias for all this mail-idents on my mail-server?
>also, the default setting for the mailbox of my sendmail is 
>var/mail/somebody,
>
>I mean the location of mailboxes.  Does mailman know how to 
>find this by itself,
>or do i have to configure it?

The key is the code that mailman gives you to add to your 
aliases file, when you create a new list.  So, yes you need to 
have an alias for each list, but mailman provides the code for 
you to just append to the file.

There are really no mailboxes for each list, instead the alias 
list sends mailman bound mail to the "wrapper" program which 
processes the mail.


-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From siewca at shiva.poland.com  Thu Mar 15 22:06:37 2001
From: siewca at shiva.poland.com (Pawel Wilk)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] httpd as user http and perms
Message-ID: <20010315220637.A18994@shiva>

Hi!

My apache installation requires httpd to run as user/group http
Can someone tell me what permissions and ownership should the cgi and
control files have? Or maybe the better idea to use suid-wrapper?

-- 
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From: moguike at juno.com (MARTIN U OGUIKE)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20010315.172434.960.0.MOguike@juno.com>

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From rob at lists.f-body.org  Fri Mar 16 15:08:29 2001
From: rob at lists.f-body.org (Robert Glover)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:08:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Installation Permissions Problem (Linux)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103160855450.8854-100000@lists.f-body.org>

After having zero luck getting Mailman to run on a FreeBSD 4.1
installation, I switched to Linux.  It's Redhat 6.1 (it's what was
available).

I configured it exactly the same way I did on FreeBSD.  The web interface
works fine, but any attempt to email a subscription request, or post to a
list, and you get an error like this:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ba-f-body"
    (expanded from: <ba-f-body-request at lists.f-body.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ba-f-body"... Service unavailable

So I emailed a friend who knows more about Linux than I do, and he said I
had to put wrapper into the /etc/smrsh directory in order for sendmail to
be able to execute it. Fine, I did. Now when attempting to sub or post to
a list, I get this error:


"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ba-f-body"
    (expanded from: <ba-f-body at lists.f-body.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/ba-f-body/config.db'
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ba-f-body"... unknown mailer error 1


And this happens regardless of whether wrapper is executed from its native
location or from the new location (via symlink).  In fact, if I symlink to
the /etc/smrsh location, check_perms doesn't like it.  That doesn't appear
to matter, since I get this error in either case.

So at this point I'm completely stuck.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated!!!

Rob





From perrylynch at lbd.org  Fri Mar 16 04:29:59 2001
From: perrylynch at lbd.org (Perry Lynch)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possibly foolish newbie question
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010315220227.03060ec8@pop.access.digex.net>

Hello group!

I am attempting to make the switch from a sendmail/majordomo environment to 
a postfix/mailman solution.  At this point, postfix is working well for 
normal SMTP, and I believe that I have Mailman configured close to 
correctly.  However, I think I have some permissions issues to work out.  I 
can create lists, but they simply don't get added to /etc/aliases. I can 
subscribe members to the lists, but cannot post to the list.

I love not knowing all that I need to about this stuff - the opportunity to 
learn is EVER-present.

Is it possible that a knowledgeable System Admin, who is running 
postfix/Mailman, would take pity on a new user and share an example of what 
the permissions should look like for the various directories?

I'm running Mandrake 7.2, with Postfix from the distro CD, and Mailman 2.02

I've read the manual, and it all seemed pretty straight-forward, yet I 
still messed it up.  I would really appreciate any help/advice/comments 
that you can give. Even the RTFM ones!

Thanks
Perry




From lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu  Fri Mar 16 04:40:00 2001
From: lhat at wiz.cath.vt.edu (Len Hatfield)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:40:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeating posts?
Message-ID: <200103160340.f2G3e0019266@wiz.cath.vt.edu>

Hi.

Running Mailman 2.01 on Slackware Linux 7.1, with Sendmail
8.11.2, I've a list which seems to get occasional duplication of
messages posted several days before.  These are not marked as
errors, but the default list footer is doubled at the bottom of
the post.  These doublings don't occur with every message, but I
suspect there's some collusion twixt sendmail (timeouts,
bouncers, etc.) and my settings for bounced messages (set to
their defaults).

Any suggestions??
-- 

					...Len Hatfield
					   Virginia Tech




From ray at everett.org  Fri Mar 16 05:03:03 2001
From: ray at everett.org (Ray Everett-Church)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:03:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.0.3... now *everything* locks
In-Reply-To: <E14dlCe-0002yc-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKBKBMEPFFELIJOFIMEIPCKAA.ray@everett.org>

Fairly recently upgraded to 2.0.1, and just upgraded to 2.0.3...
Everything seemed fine, but upon the upgrade, every message I send
produces a lock in the $path/locks that goes stale... the process that
spawned it is long gone... and the messages never get delivered.

What could be locking everything?

Thanks,
-Ray




From rodeored at netstep.net  Fri Mar 16 05:14:05 2001
From: rodeored at netstep.net (Rodeo Red)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:14:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail with explicit destination didn't pass.
Message-ID: <3AB1930D.3A536DDE@netstep.net>


If I try to send e-mail to the list address of my mailman mailing list I
get this response:

"Blind carbon copies or other implicit destinations are not allowed.
Try reposting your message by explicitly including the list address in
the To: or Cc: fields."

I have no idea what this means, because I DID put the list address in
the to
field. I can probably fix this myself but I don't know what to change.

Also I don't see any place in the administravia for my list to make the
list moderated or unmoderated. Where do I look for that ?

Red



From ray at everett.org  Fri Mar 16 05:17:15 2001
From: ray at everett.org (Ray Everett-Church)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:17:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.0.3... now *everything* locks
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKBKBMEPFFELIJOFIMEIPCKAA.ray@everett.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKBKBMEPFFELIJOFICEJBCKAA.ray@everett.org>

Sorry to answer my own question, but one list in particular seemed to
have been screwed up... luckily it was a testing list. So I removed it,
deleted the lock files, and then did: make clean, ./configure, make
install, and make update yet again seems to have done the charm... it
even dislodged some things that must have been queued.

Could I suggest that someone provide more info somewhere (FAQ?) about
how lists might get locked up and how to free them without rmlisting
them?

Thanks...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ray Everett-Church
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:03 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.0.3... now *everything* locks
>
>
> Fairly recently upgraded to 2.0.1, and just upgraded to 2.0.3...
> Everything seemed fine, but upon the upgrade, every message I send
> produces a lock in the $path/locks that goes stale... the process that
> spawned it is long gone... and the messages never get delivered.
>
> What could be locking everything?
>
> Thanks,
> -Ray
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Fri Mar 16 05:25:41 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:25:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possibly foolish newbie question
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010315220227.03060ec8@pop.access.digex.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010315220227.03060ec8@pop.access.digex.net>
Message-ID: <3145.208.180.77.220.984716741.squirrel@hutnick.com>

> Is it possible that a knowledgeable System Admin, who is running 
> postfix/Mailman, would take pity on a new user and share an
> example of what  the permissions should look like for the various
> directories?

I don't run postfix, but a quick google turned up the manpage which
indicates that you need "To  enable,  edit  the 
allow_mail_to_commands and allow_mail_to_files configuration parameters."

Tried that?

-Peter






From magnus at solvang.net  Fri Mar 16 12:41:52 2001
From: magnus at solvang.net (Magnus Solvang)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:41:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (install-problem) Missing listinfo directory
Message-ID: <20010316124151.E20871@boss.office.skiinfo.no>

I have installed Mailman (error-free), but when I create a list,
I get a confirmation mail which points to directories that
doesn't exist:

  You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

    http://[my_host]/mailman/admin/test

  The web page for users of your mailing list is:

    http://[my_host]/mailman/listinfo/test

I have no listinfo or admin-directories.
I read in the archives that the listinfo-directory should be
created by 'make install', but this has not happened. Where
can I configure this during installation? The only listinfo
I see is the listinfo.tmpl in /home/mailman/templates...

Mailman-2.0.1
Python-2.0
Red Hat Linux

-- 
Magnus Solvang



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Mar 16 14:09:54 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:39:54 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (install-problem) Missing listinfo directory
In-Reply-To: <20010316124151.E20871@boss.office.skiinfo.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103161838010.1710-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Mar 16, 2001 at 12:41, Magnus Solvang wrote:

>I have installed Mailman (error-free), but when I create a list,
>I get a confirmation mail which points to directories that
>doesn't exist:
>
>  You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>
>    http://[my_host]/mailman/admin/test

As I understand it, /mailman/admin is a script or program which takes
the `/test' part as a parameter. Look for a file named `admin' or
`admin.cgi'.

>I have no listinfo or admin-directories.
>I read in the archives that the listinfo-directory should be
>created by 'make install', but this has not happened. Where

I could be wrong. But I can visit:
        URL: http://localhost/mailman/listinfo.cgi
and:
        URL: http://localhost/mailman/listinfo.cgi/test

I get the appropriate pages.

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From billa at at-psi.com  Fri Mar 16 14:22:48 2001
From: billa at at-psi.com (Bill Addington)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:22:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To upgrade or not to upgrade
Message-ID: <F1AB34A258A98E4AB4365783CB072EB50103CD@psihq.psihq.net>

Hi,
	I have a question about Mailman administration.  I was recently given the
task of setting up a list with the product.  I subscribe to the
Mailman-users-admin list and have been reading all I can find about the
product.  We are currently running version 1.x of Mailman with no real lists
in place other than tests.  I feel we should upgrade to the latest version
before cranking this thing up.  Our platform is Red Hat version 6.1.  My
question is:
Is there a simple upgrade path to the latest version of Mailman from where
we now stand, or would I be better off in unloading the older version and
installing the latest?  Thanks in advance for any help!
Bill Addington
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From billa at at-psi.com  Fri Mar 16 14:39:57 2001
From: billa at at-psi.com (Bill Addington)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: To upgrade or not to upgrade
Message-ID: <F1AB34A258A98E4AB4365783CB072EB50103CF@psihq.psihq.net>

Hi,
	I have a question about Mailman administration.  I was recently given the
task of setting up a list with the product.  I subscribe to the
Mailman-users-admin list and have been reading all I can find about the
product.  We are currently running version 1.x of Mailman with no real lists
in place other than tests.  I feel we should upgrade to the latest version
before cranking this thing up.  Our platform is Red Hat version 6.1.  My
question is:
Is there a simple upgrade path to the latest version of Mailman from where
we now stand, or would I be better off in unloading the older version and
installing the latest?  Thanks in advance for any help!
Bill Addington
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From magnus at skiinfo.no  Fri Mar 16 15:30:45 2001
From: magnus at skiinfo.no (Magnus Solvang)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:30:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (install-problem) Missing listinfo directory
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103161838010.1710-100000@hal9k.myip.org>; from satyap@satya.virtualave.net on fre, mar 16, 2001 at 06:39:54 +0530
References: <20010316124151.E20871@boss.office.skiinfo.no> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103161838010.1710-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <20010316153045.O22841@boss.office.skiinfo.no>

Quoting Satya (satyap at satya.virtualave.net):
[...]
| As I understand it, /mailman/admin is a script or program which takes
| the `/test' part as a parameter. Look for a file named `admin' or
| `admin.cgi'.
[...]

Ah... I was missing the ScriptAlias-part in Apache, and thought
the problem was somewhere else. Thanks!

- M



From bob at nleaudio.com  Fri Mar 16 17:56:21 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1086 - 18 msgs
References: <E14duD4-0008B4-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AB245B5.2B957673@nleaudio.com>

I have a user who wants to compile the Mailman archives and put them on a CDROM.  Not a problem so far.  However, they want a searching function available for the CDROM.  Any idea where I can find a Windows program that can perform searches?  Obviously the CD has plenty of room to store large search tables.

Bob



From admin at goldeneyesonline.com  Fri Mar 16 18:03:31 2001
From: admin at goldeneyesonline.com (admin at goldeneyesonline.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:03:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing public lists pages
Message-ID: <200103161703.LAA15938@dolly.siteprotect.com>

Hi, Can someone please help me? I am having difficulty editing some of my public list pages for my mailman list. On my user options page, I am unable to submit my changes after I click on the submit button. Why? Also, the page no longer displays the specific user name when it is activated. Did I delete a preset mailman command? if so, how can I get it back?

Thank you.






From dean at visualsoft.co.uk  Fri Mar 16 18:01:33 2001
From: dean at visualsoft.co.uk (Dean Richard Benson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:01:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Problem on Admin Screen
Message-ID: <GDEFKCALBHNIPMNMMKFBKEIGCFAA.dean@visualsoft.co.uk>

Using V2 of mailman, I am having a problem
whereby I create a list, populate the list
with 30,000 members (existing from another
system) using the add_members command.

That bit works fine.  I can go into the 
admin interface and see that everything
is setup correctly.  (its an announcement
only list btw).

When I try to post a newsletter to the list
it seems to be fine.  Except it _doesn't_
get sent and then when I try to access any
of the admin area for that list, the browser
hangs.  Also a number of lock files are 
generated and the CPU increases for around
10 minutes.  No matter what I do after this
I cant access the admin area.

Any ideas?

Thx.

- Dean



From webmaster at isu.edu  Fri Mar 16 18:26:05 2001
From: webmaster at isu.edu (Webmaster)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:26:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding List Moderators
Message-ID: <3AB24CAD.9E339FEB@isu.edu>

I am the Administrator for Mailman here at our University. I need to
know if the is a command line  script that will tell you who is the
moderator of each Mailman mailing
list. We have over a hundred so its difficult to remember who I have set
as moderator for each list is there a command I can use to get this
information?

--
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webmaster at isu.edu
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################################





From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar 16 18:38:25 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:38:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] To upgrade or not to upgrade
In-Reply-To: <F1AB34A258A98E4AB4365783CB072EB50103CD@psihq.psihq.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103160934310.7515-100000@q3.deathcon.com>

If the lists are not being heavily used, by all means upgrade. 2.0.3
is the latest version (I believe), and should install cleanly over
the 1.x version. The make install will upgrade all the listinfo and html
pages automatically.

If you still have your old install, check the config.status file
for the parameters you used to build it last time. At the top of the
file is the ./configure command used. Make sure you build it with
the proper gid info etc.

Good luck!

Steve
--
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Bill Addington wrote:

> Hi,
> 	I have a question about Mailman administration.  I was recently given the
> task of setting up a list with the product.  I subscribe to the
> Mailman-users-admin list and have been reading all I can find about the
> product.  We are currently running version 1.x of Mailman with no real lists
> in place other than tests.  I feel we should upgrade to the latest version
> before cranking this thing up.  Our platform is Red Hat version 6.1.  My
> question is:
> Is there a simple upgrade path to the latest version of Mailman from where
> we now stand, or would I be better off in unloading the older version and
> installing the latest?  Thanks in advance for any help!
> Bill Addington
> 

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Fri Mar 16 18:49:38 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:49:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large List Problem on Admin Screen
In-Reply-To: <GDEFKCALBHNIPMNMMKFBKEIGCFAA.dean@visualsoft.co.uk> from "Dean Richard Benson" at Mar 16, 2001 05:01:33 PM
Message-ID: <200103161749.KAA03654@mail.commercedata.com>

Hi Dean.

> When I try to post a newsletter to the list
> it seems to be fine.  Except it _doesn't_
> get sent and then when I try to access any
> of the admin area for that list, the browser
> hangs.  Also a number of lock files are 
> generated and the CPU increases for around
> 10 minutes.  No matter what I do after this
> I cant access the admin area.

Check

- permissions (you might look in the error logs if you haven't already)
  Everything ought to work okay as mailman.mailman.

- paths & other defaults
  Try su'ing as mailman, then running 'python -S qrunner'.

- your MTA
  Make sure you can 'telnet hostname 25' okay, and that there isn't anything
  in your MTA log or the smtp log under mailman.

I've had problems similar to the one you're having for all three of the above
reasons.  Sometimes I'd get a log entry or a tracepath, sometimes not.  Your
browser is probably hanging while it waits for an empty page, a page where
the headers have been sent but nothing else.

Dave Klingler 



From alberto at portamagica.it  Fri Mar 16 21:13:28 2001
From: alberto at portamagica.it (a.marcedone@portamagica.it)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:13:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscrition form
Message-ID: <00a301c0ae55$90a109e0$fa00a8c0@homelan.org>

For  a few friends i need to realize a subscription  form containing a few
additional data:
Name, address, phone number, City, and so on...
This data must be sent by e-mail at the list moderator.
. Can someone which has already realized this function help me?
Thanks.
Alberto




From RMV.Ned at elkvalley.net  Fri Mar 16 21:43:56 2001
From: RMV.Ned at elkvalley.net (Ned @ RMV)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to Mailman
Message-ID: <MNEFJBLEHNFMKLGGBKGECEEHCBAA.RMV.Ned@elkvalley.net>

Hi,
I have just downloaded the program file but not loaded it yet.
Even though I design and update my own website I am still relatively new to
HTML.
I am interested in using Mailman for my E-Newsletters that I have clients
subscribe to, however, I still am unsure exactly what I am doing with
Mailman. I am going to read the FAQs and all the other information on the
website but if there is any advice you can give me before I get started
please let me know.
Thanks,
Ned.
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Rocky Mountain Vacations Management Ltd.
Fernie, British Columbia, Canada
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From insane at oneinsane.net  Fri Mar 16 22:21:24 2001
From: insane at oneinsane.net (Ron Rosson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:21:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive search solution
Message-ID: <20010316132124.A59439@mental.oneinsane.net>

I am an administrator for a USER group and we are come close to the
amount of volume on our list that a good search facility would be nice
to attatch to mailman. Anyone have a good howto and recommendation on
what software to use.

TIA
-- 
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          Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.



From gpearson at niesc.org  Fri Mar 16 23:39:20 2001
From: gpearson at niesc.org (Graham Pearson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:39:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID/UID Problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103161736030.8148-100000@vhf.niesc.k12.in.us>

Members:

I have been using a 2.0 Beta version of mailman for the past long while,
and I thought today since it was friday I would have an easy dayt at work
and upgrade mailman to version 2.0.3 well since I have been working with
this for the past 12 hours I still do not have it back up and running. I
am getting the same error messages I see alot in the archives and have
tried various times to do what was suggested. I have failed. Here lines
from my syslog file that shows the different error messages and when I
change GID numbers it tells me the other number. How can I solve it, I
know I have looked at this too long and I am missing something

Mar 16 16:27:24 linux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 90, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?) 
Mar 16 16:44:14 linux inetd[76]: auth/tcp server failing (looping),
service terminated 
Mar 16 16:54:11 linux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 2, GOT gid 90.  (Reconfigure to take 90?) 
Mar 16 17:27:36 linux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 12, GOT gid 90.  (Reconfigure to take 90?) 
Mar 16 17:30:04 linux inetd[76]: auth/tcp server failing (looping),
service terminated 
Mar 16 17:30:16 linux Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 90, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?) 

=============================================================
Graham Pearson, Technology Support Center Coordinator
Northern Indiana Educational Services Center
Toll Free (800) 326-5642 or (219) 254-0111 Fax (219) 254-0148
Http://www.niesc.k12.in.us  Email: gpearson at niesc.k12.in.us
=============================================================




From Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at  Fri Mar 16 23:43:03 2001
From: Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:43:03 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding List Moderators
In-Reply-To: <3AB24CAD.9E339FEB@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103162340260.4183-100000@ito.ams.smc.univie.ac.at>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Webmaster wrote:

> I am the Administrator for Mailman here at our University. I need to
> know if the is a command line script that will tell you who is the
> moderator of each Mailman mailing list. We have over a hundred so
> its difficult to remember who I have set as moderator for each list
> is there a command I can use to get this information?

Something along the lines of

  (mailman_home)/bin/config_list -o - mylistname | grep "owner = "

gives you the address of the list-owner. (AFAIK, up until now there is
no such thing like a true moderator).

HTH,

-- Andreas




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Sat Mar 17 00:56:32 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:56:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.0.3... now *everything* locks
Message-ID: <200103162354.PAA20132@utopia.west.sun.com>

The next step should have been "look at ~mailman/logs/errors".  Dollars
to donuts there was some Python crash/traceback info either in
there or in logs/qrunner.

> Sorry to answer my own question, but one list in particular seemed to
> have been screwed up... luckily it was a testing list. So I removed it,
> deleted the lock files, and then did: make clean, ./configure, make
> install, and make update yet again seems to have done the charm... it
> even dislodged some things that must have been queued.
> 
> Could I suggest that someone provide more info somewhere (FAQ?) about
> how lists might get locked up and how to free them without rmlisting
> them?
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ray Everett-Church
> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:03 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade to 2.0.3... now *everything* locks
> >
> >
> > Fairly recently upgraded to 2.0.1, and just upgraded to 2.0.3...
> > Everything seemed fine, but upon the upgrade, every message I send
> > produces a lock in the $path/locks that goes stale... the process that
> > spawned it is long gone... and the messages never get delivered.
> >
> > What could be locking everything?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Ray
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Sat Mar 17 08:39:14 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:39:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running config_list on mutliple lists
Message-ID: <028701c0aeb5$5dccf280$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

I want to use config_list to change a couple of parameters on all of my lists. I'm not too fond of the idea of having to type the command individually for each list. Is there any eaiser way to do it?

 -- Sarah




From Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at  Sat Mar 17 13:23:54 2001
From: Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:23:54 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running config_list on mutliple lists
In-Reply-To: <028701c0aeb5$5dccf280$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103171318230.8910-100000@ito.ams.smc.univie.ac.at>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Sarah K. Miller wrote:

> I want to use config_list to change a couple of parameters on all of
> my lists. I'm not too fond of the idea of having to type the command
> individually for each list. Is there any eaiser way to do it?

you might want to tell us what operating system and especially what
shell (bash, csh, ...) you are using. anyway, 

  help for

might give you an idea. something along the lines of (for bash)

  cd lists ; for v in * ; do my_commands_with $v ; done

should do the job where my_commands_with is a script that does the
config_list thingy.

hth,

-- Andreas




From tomi.snellman at kolumbus.fi  Sat Mar 17 15:58:25 2001
From: tomi.snellman at kolumbus.fi (Tomi Snellman)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:58:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML code on info page
Message-ID: <3AB37B91.D4D33117@kolumbus.fi>

I'm the owner of a Finnish Mailman list and I've translate the standard
info page into Finnish as much as possible. Some of the texts however
are embedded in codes like <MM-Subscribe-Form-Start>. Is there any way
of altering these? Please not that I haven't access to the server side
of the list. 

Regards

Tomi Snellman




From Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at  Sat Mar 17 18:26:48 2001
From: Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:26:48 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_gzip does nothing, any tips for debugging python?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103171805060.10628-100000@ito.ams.smc.univie.ac.at>

hi there,

i am running mailman 2.0.3 on a linux box with python 1.5.2,
nevertheless my cron/nightly_gzip does nothing:

  > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip
    (no output, no action, nothing in logs/error)

  > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip -v mylist-l
    (again nothing)

  > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip -h    
    (and again nothing)

what's going wrong here?

even a

  > /usr/local/bin/python -v -S cron/nightly_gzip

does not tell me anything of an error or file that could not be created.
maybe it's so trivial that i cannot see the reason for this? can anybody
give some advice how to further debug python? unfortunately, i do not
python.

TIA,

-- Andreas




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Sat Mar 17 22:57:16 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:57:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nightly_gzip does nothing, any tips for debugging 
 python?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103171805060.10628-100000@ito.ams.smc.univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <3AB3DDBC.1EF88996@west.sun.com>

Python must be built so that 'import gzip' works.  That's an option.
It may not be enabled on your Python build.  Try it:

python -i
import gzip

if you get no error, it should be working.  If not, you need to rebuild
Python.

Andreas Schamanek wrote:
> 
> hi there,
> 
> i am running mailman 2.0.3 on a linux box with python 1.5.2,
> nevertheless my cron/nightly_gzip does nothing:
> 
>   > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip
>     (no output, no action, nothing in logs/error)
> 
>   > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip -v mylist-l
>     (again nothing)
> 
>   > /usr/local/bin/python -S cron/nightly_gzip -h
>     (and again nothing)
> 
> what's going wrong here?
> 
> even a
> 
>   > /usr/local/bin/python -v -S cron/nightly_gzip
> 
> does not tell me anything of an error or file that could not be created.
> maybe it's so trivial that i cannot see the reason for this? can anybody
> give some advice how to further debug python? unfortunately, i do not
> python.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> -- Andreas
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From bob at nleaudio.com  Sun Mar 18 02:13:51 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription Form
References: <E14eK4v-00073e-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AB40BCF.4DF6AC3D@nleaudio.com>

Regarding:

> For  a few friends i need to realize a subscription  form containing a few
> additional data:
> Name, address, phone number, City, and so on...
> This data must be sent by e-mail at the list moderator.
> . Can someone which has already realized this function help me?
> Thanks.

Interestingly, I was just trying to do that last night.  Actually, just tried to get the person's name to propagate through the subscription and confirmation process.  I added another variable (and field) called "uname", but kept getting syntax errors whereever I used the "uname".  Probably need to define it somewhere as a string variable, but I don't know enough about Python!  Oh well.

My second thought is to make the subscription form go to a CGI script that would take the name and do its own thing, then issue a page with a meta-refresh to the Mailman script, passing the original parameters.  It's a kludge, but it's got potential!

I'd be interested to figure out how to make Mailman handle it though.. Would be nice to be able to add fields to the databases.  I know Lyris holds the person's name, and that's my main "competition".

Bob



From eva at vihrealiitto.fi  Sun Mar 18 10:41:05 2001
From: eva at vihrealiitto.fi (Eva Isaksson)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:41:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Replacing the To:/Cc: fields?
Message-ID: <20010318114105.A23518@luna.vihrealiitto.fi>

There was a functionality in majordomo that I've been missing
in mailman - the option to skip the To: and From: fields in the 
mail that is sent to the list, and to replace them with a 
standard To: header that only has the list's address in it.

I wonder whether it is at all possible to do this with mailman?
(Note: this is _not_ about setting the Reply-to field!)

In my majordomo installation, it went like this:
Instead of a generic resend script, each list would have its
own tailored resend script, resend.listname 
with these modifications:

  # skip these special headers
(...)
            || (/^to:/i)
	    || (/^cc:/i)
(...)			 
   # add new header fields
   print OUT "To: Test Mailing List <listname\@example.net>\n";

This made it possible to curb crossposting to other lists and
individuals, and to have 'cleaner' headers, from which the
list as a recipient was immediately clear. 

But mailman seems to keep any and all recipients as long as
there aren't more than are specified in max_num_recipients.

I've waded through documentation, but found no leads for this.

-- Eva
---------------------------------------------------------------
 Eva Isaksson * eva at vihrealiitto.fi * Eva.Isaksson at Helsinki.Fi
 http://www.helsinki.fi/~eisaksso/



From magnus at skiinfo.no  Sun Mar 18 13:03:06 2001
From: magnus at skiinfo.no (Magnus Solvang)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:03:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding List Moderators
Message-ID: <20010318130306.B8671@boss.office.skiinfo.no>

Quoting Andreas Schamanek <Andreas.Schamanek at univie.ac.at>:
[...]
| Something along the lines of
| 
|   (mailman_home)/bin/config_list -o - mylistname | grep "owner = "
| 
| gives you the address of the list-owner.
[...]

Here is an ugly perl-hack (I don't know Python, yet :)
that loops through the lists and does the above for
each list. Put it in the bin-directory (or change
the relative paths).

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
# list_owners.pl
use strict;
use vars qw /@lists $list $listname $junk $owner/;

@lists = `./list_lists`;
shift @lists;
foreach $list (@lists) {
  ($listname,$junk) = split (/-/,$list);
  $listname =~ s/\s//g;
  $owner = `./config_list -o - $listname | grep "owner = "`;
  chomp $owner;
  $owner =~ s/.*\'(.*)\'.*/$1/g;
  print "Owner of $listname: $owner\n";
}

- M



From mr.cok at libero.it  Sun Mar 18 14:26:31 2001
From: mr.cok at libero.it (mr.cok at libero.it)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:26:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mr.cok
Message-ID: <GAEAO7$IILDhw7NO1vs6fpCctRv6XDsEBFQLYzlmQ7pMQb8WsT@libero.it>

ciao a tutti,
non so se sto usando la procedura giusta, sopratutto perch? la mia
conoscenza dell'inglese e veramente scarsa.

sono il cok (vincenzo chiriac?), da poco ho installato sul mio cpu linux
e da pochissimi giorni sono venuto a conoscenza del LUG.

un saluto




From sbrooks at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 18 18:40:41 2001
From: sbrooks at earthlink.net (Sam Brooks)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:40:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "bad" email addresses
Message-ID: <001b01c0afd2$8e2d4ba0$4392b3d1@oemcomputer>

Hi,

New to the list.  Considering replacing my hacked version of Majordomo with
Mailman.

Question;

How does Mailman handle "bad" email addresses?

e.g.

New compuserve member, 6765490 at compuserve.com.

Decides to use a mail forwarding service and subs to a list
under johndoe at mailforward.com and has email forwarded
to his compuserve address.

Later on, switches to another ISP and "kills" compuserve email address.

List mail starts to bounce.  Compuserve returns the mail as a bounce.
However, no such compuserve address in the subscriber list.

I know that Lyris "tags" individual mail to handle that type of problem.
Does Mailman do the same sort of thing?  Or is there some alternative
way in Mailman to deal with that sort of thing.

TIA

Sam
sbrooks at earthlink.net





From kathleen at augustmail.com  Mon Mar 19 01:57:54 2001
From: kathleen at augustmail.com (Kathleen Weaver)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:57:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrating Lists Via Email
Message-ID: <200103181857540850.00183741@augustmail.com>

I've seen several questions asking this in the archives, but no answers

Is there any way to administer a Mailman list with email?  For example, unsubscribing or subscribing addresses?

Thanks


kathleen







From curtis at backupcentral.com  Mon Mar 19 02:33:37 2001
From: curtis at backupcentral.com (W. Curtis Preston)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:33:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010318173127.00acf128@backupcentral.com>

I'm running my website (http://www.backupcentral.com) on a virtual host 
provided by Apollo Hosting.  I've installed mailman using my user and group 
id, and the WEB portion seems to run fine. HOWEVER, when I send email to 
test at backupcentral.com, it just goes into the inbox for that user id, or 
gets forwarded to me.  (One or the other, depending on if I set up a 
separate email box for test or not.)

The messages never get forwarded to the list software, and thus do not get 
sent to the list.  Any ideas on how I can fix this?



---
W. Curtis Preston
Principal Consultant for Storage Designs, your storage experts
Webmaster: http://www.backupcentral.com Phone: 760 631 7991




From mike at netlyncs.com  Mon Mar 19 02:51:58 2001
From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:51:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010318173127.00acf128@backupcentral.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c0b017$2f3c20e0$0201a8c0@bart>

I'm willing to bet that you didn't edit the email alias file to point to
where the program is running such as below.  You should had gotten a message
after you ran bin/newlist like the one below or there abouts....

## test mailing list
## created: 15-Mar-2001 mailman
test:                "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:      test-admin

I could be wrong so don't quote me.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "W. Curtis Preston" <curtis at backupcentral.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 7:33 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list


> I'm running my website (http://www.backupcentral.com) on a virtual host
> provided by Apollo Hosting.  I've installed mailman using my user and
group
> id, and the WEB portion seems to run fine. HOWEVER, when I send email to
> test at backupcentral.com, it just goes into the inbox for that user id, or
> gets forwarded to me.  (One or the other, depending on if I set up a
> separate email box for test or not.)
>
> The messages never get forwarded to the list software, and thus do not get
> sent to the list.  Any ideas on how I can fix this?





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From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Mar 19 05:50:30 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:50:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting subscriber names
References: <E14egY9-0007Qc-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AB59016.9030900@nleaudio.com>

Hi Gang,

I just finished a little shell script that adds a few more fields to the subscription
process (like name and reason for subscribing), then emails them to the list admin.
You can check it out at:
http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

Bob




From curtis at backupcentral.com  Mon Mar 19 06:32:03 2001
From: curtis at backupcentral.com (W. Curtis Preston)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:32:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
In-Reply-To: <000f01c0b017$2f3c20e0$0201a8c0@bart>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010318173127.00acf128@backupcentral.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010318211928.03d57160@backupcentral.com>

But in a virtual host environment, I don't have root and I don't have 
control over the mail aliases file.  All mail for 'test' gets put in a file 
in my home directory.  Any ideas?

At 07:51 PM 3/18/2001 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
>I'm willing to bet that you didn't edit the email alias file to point to
>where the program is running such as below.  You should had gotten a message
>after you ran bin/newlist like the one below or there abouts....
>
>## test mailing list
>## created: 15-Mar-2001 mailman
>test:                "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>test-admin:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
>test-request:    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>test-owner:      test-admin
>
>I could be wrong so don't quote me.
>
>Mike
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "W. Curtis Preston" <curtis at backupcentral.com>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 7:33 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
>
>
> > I'm running my website (http://www.backupcentral.com) on a virtual host
> > provided by Apollo Hosting.  I've installed mailman using my user and
>group
> > id, and the WEB portion seems to run fine. HOWEVER, when I send email to
> > test at backupcentral.com, it just goes into the inbox for that user id, or
> > gets forwarded to me.  (One or the other, depending on if I set up a
> > separate email box for test or not.)
> >
> > The messages never get forwarded to the list software, and thus do not get
> > sent to the list.  Any ideas on how I can fix this?

---
W. Curtis Preston
Principal Consultant for Storage Designs, your storage experts
Webmaster: http://www.backupcentral.com Phone: 760 631 7991




From jean-baptiste.ngoa at etu.univ-savoie.fr  Mon Mar 19 11:22:04 2001
From: jean-baptiste.ngoa at etu.univ-savoie.fr (ngoa)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:22:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001801c0b05e$723d2c80$2b7b30c1@univsavoie.fr>

We are student in Chambery's University (France).We are building a colaborative tool with Zope.
We sometime have some technical questions .
Where can we get answers ?

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From jean-baptiste.ngoa at etu.univ-savoie.fr  Mon Mar 19 11:26:39 2001
From: jean-baptiste.ngoa at etu.univ-savoie.fr (ngoa)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:26:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001c01c0b05f$15bc0840$2b7b30c1@univsavoie.fr>

We are sudent from Chambery's University(France) and wa are using Zope to build a tool.
We sometimes have some technical problems.
Where can we get some answers ?
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 19 11:32:43 2001
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (Dario Lopez-Kästen)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:32:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <001c01c0b05f$15bc0840$2b7b30c1@univsavoie.fr>
Message-ID: <005201c0b05f$eec9fb10$33de1081@ita.chalmers.se>

http://www.zope.org/Resources/MailingLists

http://www.zope.org/Resources/

http://www.zope.org/Documentation

/dario


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ngoa" <jean-baptiste.ngoa at etu.univ-savoie.fr>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Cc: <jngoa at yahoo.fr>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:26 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


We are sudent from Chambery's University(France) and wa are using Zope to build a tool.
We sometimes have some technical problems.
Where can we get some answers ?





From alberto at portamagica.it  Mon Mar 19 16:28:47 2001
From: alberto at portamagica.it (a.marcedone@portamagica.it)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Great Work!
Message-ID: <006201c0b089$4aa96f00$fa00a8c0@homelan.org>

GREAT! WORK very fine!

and... to add other 2 or 3 fields?
I Think:

Add the fiels after Uname and reason in listinfo.html, e.g.
<td BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Enter your name:</td>
<td><INPUT type="Text" name="uname" size="30"></td>
<tr><td BGCOLOR="#dddddd">How did you hear about us?</td>
<td><INPUT type="text" name="reason" size="60"></td>
<tr><td BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Enter your address?</td>
<td><INPUT type="text" name="address" size="60"></td>
<tr><td BGCOLOR="#dddddd">Enter your phone number?</td>
<td><INPUT type="text" name="phone" size="60"></td>
      <tr>

add the field in the cgiprogram at this point:
  echo "  Name: $FORM_uname" >> /tmp/$_TEST
  echo " Email: $FORM_email" >> /tmp/$_TEST
  echo "Reason: $FORM_reason" >> /tmp/$_TEST
# added this line:
  echo "Address: $FORM_address" >> /tmp/$_TEST
  echo "Phone: $FORM_phone" >> /tmp/$_TEST
#stop added line
  echo "" >> /tmp/$_TEST

I Think no change in procCgi program.

Great work. Bravo.

Alberto Marcedone,
Italy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Puff at NLE" <bob at nleaudio.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:50 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting subscriber names


> Hi Gang,
>
> I just finished a little shell script that adds a few more fields to the
subscription
> process (like name and reason for subscribing), then emails them to the
list admin.
> You can check it out at:
> http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
>
> Bob
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From admin at netts.com  Mon Mar 19 18:12:14 2001
From: admin at netts.com (Timothy J. Jakubus)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:12:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to multiple lists
Message-ID: <NOBBKHIIOLGMGDBHABJOKEEDCBAA.admin@netts.com>

Does anyone know of a way to subscribe to multiple lists at the same time
through a web based format either using Cgi or something else.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.
Tim Jakubus
Nettainment, Inc.
tjakubus at netts.com
800-823-5202 x305
www.netts.com


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From jeme at brelin.net  Mon Mar 19 18:47:46 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:47:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010318211928.03d57160@backupcentral.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103190946020.6383-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, W. Curtis Preston wrote:
> But in a virtual host environment, I don't have root and I don't have 
> control over the mail aliases file.  All mail for 'test' gets put in a file 
> in my home directory.  Any ideas?

Yeah... I have an idea.

If your hosting company is using qmail or procmail for local delivery of
mail, couldn't you put the aliases either in your procmailrc or .qmail
file?

Has anyone ever tried that?

J.
-- 
   -----------------
     Jeme A Brelin
    jeme at brelin.net
   -----------------
 [cc] counter-copyright
 http://www.openlaw.org




From alberto at portamagica.it  Mon Mar 19 20:29:45 2001
From: alberto at portamagica.it (a.marcedone@portamagica.it)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:29:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translation of web page.
References: <NOBBKHIIOLGMGDBHABJOKEEDCBAA.admin@netts.com>
Message-ID: <005501c0b0aa$f48d3e40$fa00a8c0@homelan.org>

I have try to translate in italian language the "listinfo" and the other page of Mailman.
But in the page are some messages that are NOT in the html code.

E.g.: Afther the e-mail address. and before the password, at the end of the html message mailman add: . Once a month, your password will be emailed to you as a reminder. 

Where are this small messages to translate it?

regards.
Alberto Marcedone
Italy.


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From home at simonb.org.uk  Mon Mar 19 19:49:50 2001
From: home at simonb.org.uk (Simon Blandford)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:49:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compile error
Message-ID: <3AB654CE.E54DF9BF@simonb.org.uk>

I get the following after a while when I type make install...

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ?
    from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import Message
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in ?
    import sha
ImportError: No module named sha

I have installed python 2.0 in it's own directory (not at root level)
and set the prefix to point to that binary. If I start python in command
line mode and type "import sha" it doesn't complain.

Any ideas?

Regards,
Simon.




From Jed.Daniels at nokia.com  Mon Mar 19 20:03:21 2001
From: Jed.Daniels at nokia.com (Jed.Daniels at nokia.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:03:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MhonArc Integration?
Message-ID: <30F2DED23724D311902D0008C7EABAFB03E0CE56@daeis06nok>

Has anyone successfully integrated MhonArc archiving with mailman? Without
having to hack it too much?

Thanks,
Jed Daniels



From alan at patriot.net  Mon Mar 19 20:38:47 2001
From: alan at patriot.net (alan at patriot.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:38:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman control through E-mail -- Documentation question
In-Reply-To: <30F2DED23724D311902D0008C7EABAFB03E0CE56@daeis06nok>; from Jed.Daniels@nokia.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 01:03:21PM -0600
References: <30F2DED23724D311902D0008C7EABAFB03E0CE56@daeis06nok>
Message-ID: <20010319143847.D1243@alan17.his.com>

Greetings!

tux.org, a Linux site in the D.C. area, has just moved its E-lists
from Majordomo to mailman.  I manage a List on this site, and my
users are from all over the world, including remote areas where
web access is non-existent or horribly expensive.  

So I need to know how to tell my users how to manage their options
with E-mail?  Can someone point me at documention telling me how
to tell my users to do that?

I too as list manager would rather manage this E-list by E-mail, more
or less in good old Majordomo style.  Again, can someone point me at
documentation telling me how a list administrator does this?

I apologize if this is a FAQ and the "Fine Manual" is easily available
to read<g>

TIA,

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell       No one minds what Jeffreys says . . it is not more
Pixel Analysis       than a week ago that I heard him speak disrespectfully
alan at patriot.net     of the Equator.  (Sydney Smith)



From CBarnett at UFF.UFL.EDU  Mon Mar 19 22:24:03 2001
From: CBarnett at UFF.UFL.EDU (Chris Barnett)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about admindb interface
Message-ID: <18E4ADA1E421D41195AF00902793643715E853@uff-mail1.uff.ufl.edu>

Hi.  Last week I upgraded from Mailman 1.1 to 2.0.3 and I've been very
pleased with the results.

The only problem of any sort has been with the admindb interface, and it's
not really a problem per se.  I really like the new layout of it with the
scrollable form boxes. However I have one listadmin with an announce-only
list who is completely freaking out.  

He uses the admin interface to take one final glance over his post before he
sends it out.  The new interface displays the message body in a "Message
Excerpt" box which is exactly that, an excerpt of the message (seemed pretty
obvious to me).  The admin of this list is completely losing it though
because he can't see and therefore proof his entire message because the box
cuts off the message after a certain point.

Is there anyway to jack up the size of the excerpt displayed in the admindb
page?  

I couldn't find it anywhere in the web interface and I was hoping there was
a setting in config_list that could take care of this.  Like I said, it
really isn't that big of a deal and I like it better the way it is now, but
getting this guy off my back would be a big relief.

Thanks in advance,

Chris

Chris Barnett
Web Designer/Programmer
University of Florida Alumni Association
University of Florida Foundation, Inc.



From rob at f-body.org  Mon Mar 19 23:54:31 2001
From: rob at f-body.org (Robert Glover)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:54:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering MIME/HTML
Message-ID: <010b01c0b0c7$925c8010$6100ff0a@majikthise>

Is there a way in Mailman 2.03 to filter out (even if it just means
rejecting) messages that contain MIME, HTML, or attachments?  Majordomo had
a somewhat contorted way, by entering regexps into the majordomo.cf file.
This would be better than nothing. :)

Rob





From alex at phred.org  Tue Mar 20 00:28:47 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:28:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filtering MIME/HTML
References: <010b01c0b0c7$925c8010$6100ff0a@majikthise>
Message-ID: <080a01c0b0cc$599fdd80$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Robert Glover" <rob at f-body.org>
> Is there a way in Mailman 2.03 to filter out (even if it just means
> rejecting) messages that contain MIME, HTML, or attachments?
Majordomo had
> a somewhat contorted way, by entering regexps into the majordomo.cf
file.
> This would be better than nothing. :)

This is a FAQ.  Does anyone maintain a FAQ?  Perhaps we can get this
added to it.

Robert: read http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html.  It has detailed
information on a solution that I wrote, and a link to another solution.
Both are perl scripts which filter out that junk and leave behind a
plaintext email.

alex




From geoff at qwik-reply.net  Tue Mar 20 04:14:58 2001
From: geoff at qwik-reply.net (Geoff Wright)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:14:58 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit destination ?
Message-ID: <NDBBIGHNOKCNLGHHJMJNKEMJHBAA.geoff@qwik-reply.net>

Hi

Can anyone point me at the right area to stop this happening;

I'm running Mailman V2.0.1 on a virtual host and have just set up a list
called "Test".
Having subscribed to the list, I then posted a test message to
Test at quik-reply.net which is the explicit address for the list or I believe
it is!

Within Privacy Options the NO option is selected for both Must posts be
approved by an administrator? and Restrict posting privilege to list members
?

I keep getting the following message returned
"..... held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

    Message has implicit destination"

Now as far as I can see the To: address was explicit and it is exactly as
shown on the lists general info page. I've even tried using the link from
the info page to post a message and get the same result.

Anyone have any thoughts how I stop this happening ?

Thanks
Geoff




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 20 05:15:12 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:15:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about admindb interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chris Barnett <CBarnett@UFF.UFL.EDU> 
   of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:03 EST." <18E4ADA1E421D41195AF00902793643715E853@uff-mail1.uff.ufl.edu> 
References: <18E4ADA1E421D41195AF00902793643715E853@uff-mail1.uff.ufl.edu> 
Message-ID: <29341.985061712@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:03 -0500 
Chris Barnett <CBarnett at UFF.UFL.EDU> wrote:

> Is there anyway to jack up the size of the excerpt displayed in
> the admindb page?

In mm_cfg.py:

  ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 102400

> I couldn't find it anywhere in the web interface and I was hoping
> there was a setting in config_list that could take care of this.
> Like I said, it really isn't that big of a deal and I like it
> better the way it is now, but getting this guy off my back would
> be a big relief.

The above will display the first 100K of all messages.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 20 05:17:36 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:17:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MhonArc Integration? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jed.Daniels@nokia.com 
   of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:03:21 CST." <30F2DED23724D311902D0008C7EABAFB03E0CE56@daeis06nok> 
References: <30F2DED23724D311902D0008C7EABAFB03E0CE56@daeis06nok> 
Message-ID: <1343.985061856@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:03:21 -0600 
Jed Daniels <Jed.Daniels at nokia.com> wrote:

> Has anyone successfully integrated MhonArc archiving with mailman? 
> Without having to hack it too much?

Yup.  See:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

The RCs can be found here:

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/

The older setup, whcih was pure HTML (no PHP) can be found here:

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives.old/

I hang this off a special user that I subscribe to all the lists I
want to subscribe.  This is done specifically as the message Mailman
passes to the archiver API are not quite the same as those broadcast
to members (slightly earlier in the processign chain).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From ckgrimm at qx.net  Tue Mar 20 05:32:49 2001
From: ckgrimm at qx.net (Clifton Grimm)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:32:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong sender: header
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010319232508.013f5dd0@mail.qx.net>

Hello all -

I have Mailman 2.0.2 running smoothly on RH7 - virtual host setup and that 
part works fine.

However, when a member posts to the list, the mail goes out with the 
following problems:

the  Sender: headers are using the wrong host name. It's like sendmail is 
not recognizing that the virtual host should be sending the mail, because 
the host name used is the default host name.

Ex:  default machine name is foo.com

virtual host setup is bar.com

list is list at bar.com

every header is correct in mail sent from list at bar.com except the sender, 
which reads:

Sender: list-admin at foo.com

Also, the admin mails (subscription notices, etc.) are sent with the same 
wrong sender and also a wrong From: header - i.e. list-admin at foo.com...

I seem to remember doing something about this problem when I setup the 
previous rev. of Mailman on a RH6 box about a year ago, but I sure can't 
remember what it is, and I've spent about 3 hours searching the archives 
(searching and also looking the old-fashioned way) to no avail.

Help?

Clifton Grimm
ckgrimm at qx.net




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 20 05:43:10 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:43:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "bad" email addresses 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Sam Brooks" <sbrooks@earthlink.net> 
   of "Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:40:41 PST." <001b01c0afd2$8e2d4ba0$4392b3d1@oemcomputer> 
References: <001b01c0afd2$8e2d4ba0$4392b3d1@oemcomputer> 
Message-ID: <15834.985063390@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:40:41 -0800 
Sam Brooks <sbrooks at earthlink.net> wrote:

> How does Mailman handle "bad" email addresses?

It attempts to parse bounce message to determine the address that is
bouncing.  For obvious reasons, this doesn't always work.

> I know that Lyris "tags" individual mail to handle that type of
> problem.  Does Mailman do the same sort of thing?  Or is there
> some alternative way in Mailman to deal with that sort of thing.

ie VERP.

Mailman does not currently support VERP.  Adding VERP support for
version 3 with various levels of impact (all messages VERPed, some
messages VERPed, only the password reminders VERPed, etc) has been
discussed and seems likely.  

Aside:  

  Potentially you could embed a VERP layer at the MTA outside
  of Mailman and then munge appropriately, but this is not quite a
  trivial effort.  (Rewrite the envelope to pass thru a custom
  handler, then have that handler re-write bounces to a Mailman
  conformant format with the appropriate subscriber address in the
  "right place").

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From codine at aepizeta.org  Tue Mar 20 05:51:27 2001
From: codine at aepizeta.org (Scott Berkman)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:51:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
Message-ID: <002f01c0b0f9$812fe980$9865fea9@firehouse>

I've been using mailman for about a week, and it was working fine.  Now, all
of the sudden, all messages it receives for the lists get stuck in the queue
and never sent.  I'm running on Redhat Linux with sendmail.  Other sendmail
mail is delivered with no problems.
    -Scott




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 20 05:55:56 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:55:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive search solution 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ron Rosson <insane@oneinsane.net> 
   of "Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:21:24 PST." <20010316132124.A59439@mental.oneinsane.net> 
References: <20010316132124.A59439@mental.oneinsane.net> 
Message-ID: <6798.985064156@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:21:24 -0800 
Ron Rosson <insane at oneinsane.net> wrote:

> I am an administrator for a USER group and we are come close to
> the amount of volume on our list that a good search facility would
> be nice to attatch to mailman. Anyone have a good howto and
> recommendation on what software to use.

I like and use a rather old version of UdmSearch under MHonArc:

  http://www.kanga.nu/search/
  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

UdmSearch has added mucho features since I froze the installation,
and is now called mnoGoSearch:

  http://search.mnogo.ru/

If you want to continue using the Mailman based archiving, I think D
Mick (?) had patches to integrate a search engine into the Pipermail
archives.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 20 05:59:06 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:59:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: To upgrade or not to upgrade 
In-Reply-To: Message from billa@at-psi.com (Bill Addington) 
   of "Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:57 CST." <F1AB34A258A98E4AB4365783CB072EB50103CF@psihq.psihq.net> 
References: <F1AB34A258A98E4AB4365783CB072EB50103CF@psihq.psihq.net> 
Message-ID: <12656.985064346@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:57 -0600 
Bill Addington <billa at at-psi.com> wrote:

> We are currently running version 1.x of Mailman with no real lists
> in place other than tests.  I feel we should upgrade to the latest
> version before cranking this thing up.  Our platform is Red Hat
> version 6.1.  My question is: Is there a simple upgrade path to
> the latest version of Mailman from where we now stand, or would I
> be better off in unloading the older version and installing the
> latest?  Thanks in advance for any help!  Bill Addington

Given that you have no extant lists or other working installations
the two are largely synonymous.  In your case I'd ted to a fresh
install -- that way I'd get a chance to educate myself (and
document) on exactly what I did to get it working.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Mar 20 06:12:33 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:12:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stats 
In-Reply-To: Message from Felipe Sanchez Elich <felipe@apex-ctr.com> 
   of "Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:33 GMT." <01031515353304.00993@bubble.grupo-apex.es> 
References: <01031515353304.00993@bubble.grupo-apex.es> 
Message-ID: <5028.985065153@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:33 +0000 
Felipe Sanchez Elich <felipe at apex-ctr.com> wrote:

> How can I make stats for the use of the lists?  Is any tool there?

Mailman has no direct support for this.  I've toyed with running an
analysis tool across the MTA and mailman logs which then reports out
thru UCD-SNMPd to be graphed by Cricket, but got distracted before I
got anything much beyond, "yeah, this could work pretty nicely".

A few others have done similarly under (I think) MD.  eg:

  http://www.ironclad.net.au/lists/rfr/stats-2001-02-14.gif

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From kathleen at augustmail.com  Tue Mar 20 06:24:30 2001
From: kathleen at augustmail.com (Kathleen Weaver)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:24:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on headers and footers
Message-ID: <200103192324300370.002578AB@pigeon.dallasisd.org>

What variables are possible when setting up the digest and regular headers?

In particular is there a variable for the name of the person who posted the message?

Thanks!


kathleen







From mailme at mailmeenjoy.com.pk  Tue Mar 20 07:20:22 2001
From: mailme at mailmeenjoy.com.pk (Ahmad Imran)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:20:22 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request For Prices List Of Massmailling Softwares
Message-ID: <LPBBKDEJGJEBGLDLAEBGCEPCCJAA.mailme@mailmeenjoy.com.pk>


  a.. 
          M/s Investments & Consultants Registered.
           __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
  NOTE :       1.    RN - RF-ICT/4319 Of 1998 .
                  2.    STN- 07-01-8471-017-91 Dtd- 13-10-1998.
                  3.    NTN- 18-07-0999970 Dtd- 7-1-1998.
  __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
   
  Good Day To You
           Please send us detailed information about your Massmailling Softwares systems including the best prices plus the Distributor Discounts offerred if we take up to do so and for details about me and my organization please visit our Company website at     http://www.mailmeenjoy.com.pk  .

  b..  
  c..  
  d.. Hoping for an early and positive response    
                              
       
  Thanks
  Sincerely Yours,
  Manager - Ahmad Imran
   __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
  Communication Addresses  :
  Manager - Ahmad Imran
  M/s Investments & Consultants Regd.
  629, St-03, G - 11 / 1 , Islamabad -44000,
  Pakistan.
  Tel ..         +92-51  ( 2290824 , 5529543 )
  Fax ..   +92 51 ( 5529543 , 2290824 )     +1(208)293-4668
  URL :       http://www.mailmeenjoy.com.pk 
  e.. E-mail :  mailme at mailmeenjoy.com.pk
  __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
  Attention :
  f.. This e-mail can not be considered Spam as long as we include: Contact information & remove instructions.  This message is intended for dealers/resellers only.  If you have somehow been place on this list in error, or for any other reason and would like to be removed, please reply with "remove" in the subject line and also specify the exact address the message was sent to.  This message is being sent to you in compliance with the current Federal legislation for commercial e-mail (H.R.4176 - SECTION 101Paragraph (e)(1)(A)) AND Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress.





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From mailme at mailmeenjoy.com.pk  Tue Mar 20 07:20:14 2001
From: mailme at mailmeenjoy.com.pk (Ahmad Imran)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:20:14 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request For Prices List Of Massmailling Softwares
Message-ID: <LPBBKDEJGJEBGLDLAEBGOEPBCJAA.mailme@mailmeenjoy.com.pk>


  a.. 
          M/s Investments & Consultants Registered.
           __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
  NOTE :       1.    RN - RF-ICT/4319 Of 1998 .
                  2.    STN- 07-01-8471-017-91 Dtd- 13-10-1998.
                  3.    NTN- 18-07-0999970 Dtd- 7-1-1998.
  __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
   
  Good Day To You
            Please send us detailed information about your Massmailling Softwares systems including the best prices plus the Distributor Discounts offerred if we take up to do so and for details about me and my organization please visit our Company website at     http://www.mailmeenjoy.com.pk  .

  b..  
  c..  
  d.. Hoping for an early and positive response
     
                              
       
  Thanks
  Sincerely Yours,
  Manager - Ahmad Imran
   __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
  Communication Addresses  :
  Manager - Ahmad Imran
  M/s Investments & Consultants Regd.
  629, St-03, G - 11 / 1 , Islamabad -44000,
  Pakistan.
  Tel ..         +92-51  ( 2290824 , 5529543 )
  Fax ..   +92 51 ( 5529543 , 2290824 )     +1(208)293-4668
  URL :       http://www.mailmeenjoy.com.pk 
  e.. E-mail :  mailme at mailmeenjoy.com.pk
  __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
  Attention :
  f.. This e-mail can not be considered Spam as long as we include: Contact information & remove instructions.  This message is intended for dealers/resellers only.  If you have somehow been place on this list in error, or for any other reason and would like to be removed, please reply with "remove" in the subject line and also specify the exact address the message was sent to.  This message is being sent to you in compliance with the current Federal legislation for commercial e-mail (H.R.4176 - SECTION 101Paragraph (e)(1)(A)) AND Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress.





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From Thomas at travelhacker.com  Tue Mar 20 08:31:05 2001
From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas Speight)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:31:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rotating Footers and Headers solution needed
In-Reply-To: <E14fEGT-0007ht-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010319230902.02801710@travelhacker.com>

I have need of a rotatiing footer and/or header for the Digests that are 
sent out.  Does anyone have a patch that will rotating different footer 
messages throughout the day as the /digest are sent out?

Thanks,

Thomas




From magnus at skiinfo.no  Tue Mar 20 09:47:02 2001
From: magnus at skiinfo.no (Magnus Solvang)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:47:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1091 - 17 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E14fEGT-0007hr-00@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on tir, mar 20, 2001 at 12:01:01 -0500
References: <E14fEGT-0007hr-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20010320094702.B6624@boss.office.skiinfo.no>

Quoting mailman-users-request at python.org (mailman-users-request at python.org):
| Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:49:50 +0000
| From: Simon Blandford <home at simonb.org.uk>
| To: mailman-users at python.org
| Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compile error
| 
| I get the following after a while when I type make install...
| 
| Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
| Traceback (innermost last):
|   File "bin/update", line 32, in ?
|     from Mailman import MailList
|   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ?
|     from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
|   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33, in ?
|     from Mailman import Message
|   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in ?
|     import sha
| ImportError: No module named sha
| 
| I have installed python 2.0 in it's own directory (not at root level)
| and set the prefix to point to that binary. If I start python in command
| line mode and type "import sha" it doesn't complain.
| 
| Any ideas?

Which version does 'python -v' report?
I too had problems installing Mailman, and "make install" failed in
the same place (Compiling ...versions.py).

I struggled with several versions of python on the machine I installed
Mailman on, and noticed that --with-python didn't do any good when it
came to "make install". It looks like "make install" uses the python
in your $PATH.
I temporarily switched /usr/bin/python (old version) with version 2.0
of python (I'm root), and this did the trick. I first tried to copy
python (2.0) to Mailman's bin-directory, and did

  export PATH=~mailman/bin:$PATH

but this gave me other problems.

Maybe you could ask root to upgrade python?

- M



From pt97fjo at student.bth.se  Tue Mar 20 12:49:41 2001
From: pt97fjo at student.bth.se (Fredrik Jonson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:49:41 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <002f01c0b0f9$812fe980$9865fea9@firehouse>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103201241070.4833-100000@reaper.rby.hk-r.se>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Scott Berkman wrote:

> I've been using mailman for about a week, and it was working
> fine.  Now, all of the sudden, all messages it receives for
> the lists get stuck in the queue and never sent.  I'm running
> on Redhat Linux with sendmail.  Other sendmail mail is
> delivered with no problems.

I had a similar problem, everything looked ok, but the messages
never got delivered. Check if your crond (the cron daemon) is
still running. If it has stopped qrunner never runs, and the mail
never get delivered. 

It took me a reinstallation to figure it out. Doh! =)

This really should be in some FAQ over things to check when
debugging a faulty mailman-installation. Is there a such a thing?

regards / f :)
-- 
Fredrik Jonson
pt97fjo at student.bth.se
-[ 63 confirmed UBE-kills, 12 relays stopped. ]-




From admin at netts.com  Tue Mar 20 15:40:21 2001
From: admin at netts.com (Timothy J. Jakubus)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:40:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Subscription to Lists
Message-ID: <NOBBKHIIOLGMGDBHABJOOEEKCBAA.admin@netts.com>

Does anyone know of a way to allow multiple simultaneous subscriptions to
the Mailman Lists with a web based form?  So that one person may use check
boxes to subscribe to different list at the same time.  Our current paid for
provider pointed us to a cgi script.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Tim Jakubus
Nettainment, Inc.
tjakubus at netts.com
800-823-5202 x305
www.netts.com


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From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Tue Mar 20 16:33:53 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:33:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request For Prices List Of Massmailling Softwares
In-Reply-To: <LPBBKDEJGJEBGLDLAEBGOEPBCJAA.mailme@mailmeenjoy.com.pk>
References: <LPBBKDEJGJEBGLDLAEBGOEPBCJAA.mailme@mailmeenjoy.com.pk>
Message-ID: <1134.208.180.77.220.985102433.squirrel@hutnick.com>

Ahmad,

Mailman is a mailinglist management program.  It is not a mass mailer.

It is designed to allow a large number of users to mail each other,
not for a single person to mail a lot of people.  For instantce, a
bunch of people taking the same programming class might have a list,
or a bunch of people who are all over the world working on a piece of
software might have a list.

As for pricing, Mailman is Free Software (see
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy) which means that you may use it for
free, share it with other people, make changes (it includes source
code) and even share your changes, as long as you share them in source
form (binaries are okay, but binary only is not.)

Good luck!

-Peter
 
>   a.. 
>           M/s Investments & Consultants Registered.
>           
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>   NOTE :       1.    RN - RF-ICT/4319 Of 1998 .
>                   2.    STN- 07-01-8471-017-91 Dtd- 13-10-1998.
>                   3.    NTN- 18-07-0999970 Dtd- 7-1-1998.
>  
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>    
>   Good Day To You
>             Please send us detailed information about your
>             Massmailling Softwares systems including the best
>             prices plus the Distributor Discounts offerred if we
>             take up to do so and for details about me and my
>             organization please visit our Company website at    
>             http://www.mailmeenjoy.com.pk  .
> 
>   b..  
>   c..  
>   d.. Hoping for an early and positive response
>      
>                               
>        
>   Thanks
>   Sincerely Yours,
>   Manager - Ahmad Imran





From nancys at silvercarrot.com  Tue Mar 20 16:53:50 2001
From: nancys at silvercarrot.com (Nancy Stevenson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:53:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding Mailman
Message-ID: <3AB77D0E.FC4476AA@silvercarrot.com>

Hi,

We are thinking of switching to a linux based email server and Mailman
has been recommended to us. We just have a couple of questions.

1. Can you send html messages?
2. Can you send messages in batches (eg. 10,000 at a time)?
3. Can you personalize messages?
4. Is there an automatic email filter for removes?
5. Is this user friendly to people who are not familiar with Linux?

Thanks for the help. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Nancy Stevenson
Customer Service Manager
SilverCarrot, Inc.






From jason-dated-40027286f34ca8e4 at mastaler.com  Tue Mar 20 17:38:14 2001
From: jason-dated-40027286f34ca8e4 at mastaler.com (Jason R. Mastaler)
Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:38:14 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] probs with qrunner crontab
Message-ID: <20010320163814.2388.qmail@nightshade.la.mastaler.com>

One of the mailman crontab entries seems to be malfunctioning.  Any
ideas what the problem is?  And, is it really necessary to run this 
script?

# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/contrib/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

From: root (Cron Daemon)
Subject: Cron <mailman> /usr/contrib/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
To: mailman
Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:37:01 -0000

qmail-inject: fatal: envelope address too long for qq (#5.1.3)
sh: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
sh: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
sh: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string




From mkosinski at crossref.org  Tue Mar 20 20:02:23 2001
From: mkosinski at crossref.org (Mark Kosinski)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:02:23 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.02 and MHonArc
Message-ID: <20010320.19022300@markk.crossref.org>

I could be missing it in the documentation, but I can't seem to find any 
information concerning using 
MhonArc with MailMan instead of Pipermail.  I am moving 2 lists from a 
CNRI server in Reston, VA to our
own server here in MA.  The CNRI configuration used MhonArc and all of 
the old mail is archived in its format.
Unfortunately, CNRI is using a much older version of MailMan and didn't 
recommend we configure MhonArc and Mailman the same way they have done 
it.

I have MailMan 2.02 installed, fully functional but with Pipermail as the 
archiver.  I do have MhonArc installed
on the same system...  What I would like to do is keep the archives in 
the directory structure MailMan has
but point MhonArc to it.  Could you point me toward the documentation or 
pass me the information on how to 
make this work???


Thanks!!
Mark Kosinski
CrossRef/PILA



From deckm at cleansoft.com  Tue Mar 20 19:58:43 2001
From: deckm at cleansoft.com (Michael Deck)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:58:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Newbie) Qmail and Mailman
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320115523.04b57100@mail.cleansoft.com>

I crave pardon for being a Mailman and Qmail newbie. I have installed Qmail 
on a Mandrake 7.2 system and it seems to work as far as I've tested it. I 
installed Mailman and, after wrestling with the usual permissions problem, 
check_perms seems OK.

When I create a new list with newlist, it tells me to create some aliases. 
I'm not sure how to do this. More particularly, I'm not sure *where* to 
create them. For list 'test3' I've tried creating

.qmail-test3

in ~/home/mailman, but then Qmail says there's no such user when I mail to 
test3 at cleansoft.net. I also tried creating

.qmail-test3

in /var/qmail/alias

but then Qmail routes all the mail for test3 at cleansoft.net into 
/home/mailman/Mailbox.

This has gotta be a really dumb question but could someone help me out?

Thanks!
   -Mike

Michael Deck
Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.   





From rob at 2guyshosting.com  Tue Mar 20 20:11:25 2001
From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:11:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Newbie) Qmail and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320115523.04b57100@mail.cleansoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0103201309050.412-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting.com>

Here's the code I use for creating new aliases using qmail and
mailman: (Note that I keep mailman in /var/mailman, not /home/mailman, so
you should adjust accordingly.)

# cat /var/qmail/alias/qmail-newlist 
#!/bin/sh
aliasdir="/var/qmail/alias" 
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
    i=$1
    echo Making new mailing list
    /var/mailman/bin/newlist $i
    echo Making aliases for $i...
    echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" >
\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i
    echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-admin
    echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-owner
    echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-owner-$i
    echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" >
\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-request
fi

hope it helps some,

rob martin


On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael Deck wrote:

> I crave pardon for being a Mailman and Qmail newbie. I have installed Qmail 
> on a Mandrake 7.2 system and it seems to work as far as I've tested it. I 
> installed Mailman and, after wrestling with the usual permissions problem, 
> check_perms seems OK.
> 
> When I create a new list with newlist, it tells me to create some aliases. 
> I'm not sure how to do this. More particularly, I'm not sure *where* to 
> create them. For list 'test3' I've tried creating
> 
> .qmail-test3
> 
> in ~/home/mailman, but then Qmail says there's no such user when I mail to 
> test3 at cleansoft.net. I also tried creating
> 
> .qmail-test3
> 
> in /var/qmail/alias
> 
> but then Qmail routes all the mail for test3 at cleansoft.net into 
> /home/mailman/Mailbox.
> 
> This has gotta be a really dumb question but could someone help me out?
> 
> Thanks!
>    -Mike
> 
> Michael Deck
> Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.   
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From aleksw at ameritech.net  Tue Mar 20 20:38:21 2001
From: aleksw at ameritech.net (Aleksandra Witkowska)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:38:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Building an admin tool.
Message-ID: <NEBBKIGFILOHKMDOPKJLGECHCCAA.aleksw@ameritech.net>

Hello all list user gurus.

I'm working on an admin tool that sends out e-mails to the list with the
list option commands.

If someone has not subscribed ever before, and they try to send in a "set
option" email, it won't work, right?  Will they receive an error message?
Like if they try to "go on vacation" and they aren't even subscribed?

Will changing your Mailman password via (body="password badpass goodpass")
cause a confirmation email to be sent to the user?

If someone is subscribed and they send _another_ subscription request
(body="subscribe goodpass digest") will Mailman just go ahead and process
it, overwriting their existing options, or will it generate an error
message?

Is there any kind of queue?  Can subsequent emails be processed once the
first email has come through, or do you have to wait?  For example:
body = subscribe g00dpass
then
body = set nomail on g00dpass

Any timely help on this matter would be VERY appreciated. I'm trying to do
this today and tomorrow, so I need answers soon.

Aleksandra




From deckm at cleansoft.com  Tue Mar 20 23:55:49 2001
From: deckm at cleansoft.com (Michael Deck)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:55:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Newbie) Qmail and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0103201309050.412-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting
 .com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320115523.04b57100@mail.cleansoft.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320155350.0513fb60@pop3.micron.net>

Rob, something's still not right. I assume you're running this as mailman 
but then what permissions to you have in /var/qmail/alias to allow mailman 
to write to it? I tried doing it as sudo (giving mailman sudo priv) but 
then the databases in mailman get created as uid root which screws it up 
too. A chown -R of everything in /home/mailman made *that* problem go away 
but now it hangs forever in bin/add_members.

At 01:11 PM 3/20/01 -0600, M. Robert Martin wrote:

>Here's the code I use for creating new aliases using qmail and
>mailman: (Note that I keep mailman in /var/mailman, not /home/mailman, so
>you should adjust accordingly.)
>
># cat /var/qmail/alias/qmail-newlist
>#!/bin/sh
>aliasdir="/var/qmail/alias"
>if [ $# = 1 ]; then
>     i=$1
>     echo Making new mailing list
>     /var/mailman/bin/newlist $i
>     echo Making aliases for $i...
>     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" >
>\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i
>     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
>\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-admin
>     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
>\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-owner
>     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
>\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-owner-$i
>     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" >
>\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-request
>fi
>
>hope it helps some,
>
>rob martin
>
>
>On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael Deck wrote:
>
> > I crave pardon for being a Mailman and Qmail newbie. I have installed 
> Qmail
> > on a Mandrake 7.2 system and it seems to work as far as I've tested it. I
> > installed Mailman and, after wrestling with the usual permissions problem,
> > check_perms seems OK.
> >
> > When I create a new list with newlist, it tells me to create some aliases.
> > I'm not sure how to do this. More particularly, I'm not sure *where* to
> > create them. For list 'test3' I've tried creating
> >
> > .qmail-test3
> >
> > in ~/home/mailman, but then Qmail says there's no such user when I mail to
> > test3 at cleansoft.net. I also tried creating
> >
> > .qmail-test3
> >
> > in /var/qmail/alias
> >
> > but then Qmail routes all the mail for test3 at cleansoft.net into
> > /home/mailman/Mailbox.
> >
> > This has gotta be a really dumb question but could someone help me out?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >    -Mike
> >
> > Michael Deck
> > Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >





From rob at 2guyshosting.com  Wed Mar 21 00:24:07 2001
From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:24:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Newbie) Qmail and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320155350.0513fb60@pop3.micron.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0103201717590.412-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting.com>

michael,

for right or wrong, i run this as root, and the resulting files end up
owned by root group qmail. the file permissions are 644.

i've always set mailman to have no password, and thus be unable to log in.

does anyone know, are these practices wrong or unsafe?

rob martin

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael Deck wrote:

> Rob, something's still not right. I assume you're running this as mailman 
> but then what permissions to you have in /var/qmail/alias to allow mailman 
> to write to it? I tried doing it as sudo (giving mailman sudo priv) but 
> then the databases in mailman get created as uid root which screws it up 
> too. A chown -R of everything in /home/mailman made *that* problem go away 
> but now it hangs forever in bin/add_members.
> 
> At 01:11 PM 3/20/01 -0600, M. Robert Martin wrote:
> 
> >Here's the code I use for creating new aliases using qmail and
> >mailman: (Note that I keep mailman in /var/mailman, not /home/mailman, so
> >you should adjust accordingly.)
> >
> ># cat /var/qmail/alias/qmail-newlist
> >#!/bin/sh
> >aliasdir="/var/qmail/alias"
> >if [ $# = 1 ]; then
> >     i=$1
> >     echo Making new mailing list
> >     /var/mailman/bin/newlist $i
> >     echo Making aliases for $i...
> >     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" >
> >\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i
> >     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
> >\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-admin
> >     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
> >\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-owner
> >     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" >
> >\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-owner-$i
> >     echo "|preline /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" >
> >\ /$aliasdir/.qmail-$i-request
> >fi
> >
> >hope it helps some,
> >
> >rob martin
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael Deck wrote:
> >
> > > I crave pardon for being a Mailman and Qmail newbie. I have installed 
> > Qmail
> > > on a Mandrake 7.2 system and it seems to work as far as I've tested it. I
> > > installed Mailman and, after wrestling with the usual permissions problem,
> > > check_perms seems OK.
> > >
> > > When I create a new list with newlist, it tells me to create some aliases.
> > > I'm not sure how to do this. More particularly, I'm not sure *where* to
> > > create them. For list 'test3' I've tried creating
> > >
> > > .qmail-test3
> > >
> > > in ~/home/mailman, but then Qmail says there's no such user when I mail to
> > > test3 at cleansoft.net. I also tried creating
> > >
> > > .qmail-test3
> > >
> > > in /var/qmail/alias
> > >
> > > but then Qmail routes all the mail for test3 at cleansoft.net into
> > > /home/mailman/Mailbox.
> > >
> > > This has gotta be a really dumb question but could someone help me out?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >    -Mike
> > >
> > > Michael Deck
> > > Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> 
> 
> 




From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Mar 21 00:31:34 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs error
Message-ID: <3AB7E853.E74648E9@isu.edu>

I received this today when the Mail Reminders to Admins about pending
requests ran today
"0 16 * * */user/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs)

Any solution to this error below?

raceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in
NumRequestsPending
    self.__opendb()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
ValueError: bad marshal data

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Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Mar 21 04:32:32 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:32:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320222819.16656x-100000@comet.connix.com>

I'm a bit slow.. i've done things in the wrong order...

I installed mailman (newest version) i'm running VA enhanced RH 6.2.4...

mailman installed fine.. i created a test list... unfortunately, I went to
it's website, added a user account and sent a test mail to the list from
that user account before I realized just what I was supposed to do with
that list of aliases...

so I added the aliases to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases

any mail i send to the test list comes back as "Returned mail: Service
unavailable"

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"
    (expanded from: <newtest at monica.threeofus.com>)

sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"... Service unavailable


I'm not quite sure how to interpret this message... 

anyone have any advice for me?

TIA,

J.



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From vps at pobox.com  Wed Mar 21 04:42:06 2001
From: vps at pobox.com (Van Sederburg)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:42:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the To: address
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010320213224.00a345b0@mailhost.directlink.net>

I provide a mailman mailing list for an organization that has their own 
domain, but of course the mailing list is *not* a part of that domain. 
i.e., the list is for group at them.com, but the list resides at mydomain.com.

To make it easy to send mail to the list, they have an alias set up at 
them.com that forwards mail directly to the mailing list at mydomain.com, 
which makes it look like the list is at their site. That enables their 
members to just address mail to "list at them.com" and not need to worry that 
the list isn't actually at "them.com".

However, if somebody uses the "official" list address at mydomain.com, then 
that's what the To: address shows in the message everyone receives, which 
looks odd to certain easily agitated users.

Is there any way I can intercept the incoming mail, and if it is explicitly 
to list at mydomain.com, change the To: address to list at them.com before it 
goes out so it looks like they used the alias?

It's really just a "looks" thing, but it would be nice.

Thanks for any help.

Van Sederburg




From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Mar 21 05:04:07 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:04:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hooray for me.. fixed one problem.. now this:
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320230328.16656z-100000@comet.connix.com>

ok, i started all over again.. fixed the GID problem.. now this:


   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post atrium"... Service unavailable

any pointers on this one?

J.



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From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Mar 21 05:19:53 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:19:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320231825.16656A-100000@comet.connix.com>

I'm looking through the faq and the archives of this list for a fix for
this.. so far no go.. i've already  run securelinux_fix.py to no avail..

what am I missing... PLEASE HELP!

J.



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From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Wed Mar 21 05:24:52 2001
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hooray for me.. fixed one problem.. now this:
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320230328.16656z-100000@comet.connix.com>; from jfreeman@connix.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:04:07PM -0500
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320230328.16656z-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <20010320232452.A18850@raleigh.ibm.com>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:04:07PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> ok, i started all over again.. fixed the GID problem.. now this:
> 
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post atrium"... Service unavailable
> 
> any pointers on this one?
> 
> J.
> 

Try "ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper"

Thanks for saying Please. 

-- 
Scott



From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Mar 21 05:32:45 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:32:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ok, found the note in INSTALL about smrsh/sendmail
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320233155.16656F-100000@comet.connix.com>

is this the correct thing to do?

cd /etc/smrsh

ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper ./

?

someone please tell me if that is correct or not...

Thanks,

J.



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From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Mar 21 05:33:48 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:33:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hooray for me.. fixed one problem.. now this:
In-Reply-To: <20010320232452.A18850@raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320233304.16656G-100000@comet.connix.com>

Thank you Scott...

I really do appreciate it... it would be great if this much information
existed at that point in the INSTALL file...

Thanks again..


J.


On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Scott
Russell wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:04:07PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > ok, i started all over again.. fixed the GID problem.. now this:
> > 
> > 
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post atrium"... Service unavailable
> > 
> > any pointers on this one?
> > 
> > J.
> > 
> 
> Try "ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper"
> 
> Thanks for saying Please. 
> 
> -- 
> Scott
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Mar 21 05:37:01 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:37:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] THANK YOU DAN MICK and SCOTT RUSSELL
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320233533.16656H-100000@comet.connix.com>

Thank you for helping me get over the last hurdle in getting mailman up
and running...  

I sincerely appreciated it...

best wishes,

J.


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From deckm at cleansoft.com  Wed Mar 21 05:38:07 2001
From: deckm at cleansoft.com (Michael Deck)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db changes ownership
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320213247.04a42c40@mail.cleansoft.com>

I'm sure this is a configuration problem somewhere but, I managed to get 
everything working nicely though there were a few steps that weren't in the 
book. $prefix is /home/mailman, and my Apache server says Group=nobody. So 
I tried

   ./configure --with-ownergroup=mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman 
--with-cgi-gid=nobody

But this failed to send mail, with a log in qmail saying it expected 509 
(nofiles) got 512 (mailman). So I tried

   ./configure --with-ownergroup=mailman --with-mail-gid=nofiles 
--with-cgi-gid=nobody

This works after doing two things that feel unnatural. First, since the 
configure and make are being done sudo, all the files under $prefix have 
owner root. So I chown -R mailman . in the mailman directory. Ok, now I can 
create a list, send a subscribe from the web interface, and get confirm 
request. But when I reply to the confirm request, nothing happens. I tried 
list_members and I get

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "bin/list_members", line 141, in ?
     main()
   File "bin/list_members", line 115, in main
     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
     self.Load()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
     fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test2/config.db'

I look at config.db and its ownership has switched back to 'nobody'. If I 
chown it and re-send my confirmation, everything works and the list manages 
fine. But the next subscribe request hoses it again.

I feel close -- what's the secret?

-Mike


Michael Deck
Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.   





From callcenter at ramshyam.com  Wed Mar 21 07:08:03 2001
From: callcenter at ramshyam.com (callcenter at ramshyam.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:38:03 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outsourced CallCenter Services - Tt
Message-ID: <200103210608.f2L683332483@rscl.ramshyam.com>

Hello,

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code, on your web page and your 24x7 Online Chat 
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    registration before 15 March 2001.
==============================================================
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From jcrey at uma.es  Wed Mar 21 08:05:00 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:05:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question...
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1010320222819.16656x-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <3AB8529C.5D026B62@uma.es>

"Joshua S. Freeman" wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit slow.. i've done things in the wrong order...
> 
> I installed mailman (newest version) i'm running VA enhanced RH 6.2.4...
> 
> mailman installed fine.. i created a test list... unfortunately, I went to
> it's website, added a user account and sent a test mail to the list from
> that user account before I realized just what I was supposed to do with
> that list of aliases...
> 
> so I added the aliases to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases
> 
> any mail i send to the test list comes back as "Returned mail: Service
> unavailable"
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"
>     (expanded from: <newtest at monica.threeofus.com>)
> 
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post newtest"... Service unavailable
> 
> I'm not quite sure how to interpret this message...
> 
> anyone have any advice for me?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> J.
> 
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>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
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>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From nancys at silvercarrot.com  Wed Mar 21 15:06:11 2001
From: nancys at silvercarrot.com (Nancy Stevenson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:06:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Html
Message-ID: <3AB8B553.CE3587F7@silvercarrot.com>

Hi,

We are thinking of using mailman for our list management.  Can you send
html messages with Mailman? Do you have to be a linux pro to use
Mailman?  Are there any limitations to Mailman?


Thanks,

Nancy




From mc2575 at mclink.it  Wed Mar 21 16:15:33 2001
From: mc2575 at mclink.it (mc2575 at mclink.it)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:15:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 domain, mailman and postfix
Message-ID: <004701c0b219$c6529000$fa00a8c0@homelan.org>

I have a linux serevr with 2 domain name redirect at the same ip address.

I run Mailman + postfix in one of the domain.

I can use the same mailman + postfix to create a mailing list in the other
domain?
I have read the "man 5 virtual" but I have not understood much.

 Is a How To available for my problem?

Thanks advancely
Albero Marcedone, Italy








From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Mar 21 15:38:15 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:38:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Html
In-Reply-To: <3AB8B553.CE3587F7@silvercarrot.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010321092652.049b7020@internet.idrc.ca>

At 09:06 AM 2001/03/21 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>We are thinking of using mailman for our list management.  Can you send
>html messages with Mailman? Do you have to be a linux pro to use
>Mailman?  Are there any limitations to Mailman?

Hello Nancy,

Mailman, like most other mailing list managers, will send mail out as it is 
received. If someone sends an email with HTML, the message should get sent 
with HTML (unless you apply a filter to discard it).

The term "pro" is subjective, I think, but you should have someone who is 
well-versed enough with Linux to be able to install the product according 
to the instructions and be able to respond to various technical issues that 
come up. The more knowledge the person has of the environment, the better 
they'll be able to support Mailman.

There are limitations to every product, including Mailman (I'm still 
looking for piece of software that will function as expected and do my 
laundry, too ;-). There is a wish list on the Mailman website and that will 
indicate what niceties are not in the current release. If none of them are 
of great importance to you, Mailman may very well suit your needs.

- Kevin








From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 16:26:01 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:26:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Html 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nancy Stevenson <nancys@silvercarrot.com> 
   of "Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:06:11 EST." <3AB8B553.CE3587F7@silvercarrot.com> 
Message-ID: <E14fkUr-00086B-00@rioja.localnet>

nancys at silvercarrot.com said:
> We are thinking of using mailman for our list management.  Can you
> send html messages with Mailman?

Mailman will handle HTML and any other type of mail without problem 
when sending it out to the list however there are 2 caveats:-

 1. If you use the mail interface to subscribe/unsubscribe/change-option
s
    etc, then you need to send plain text mail.
    In general this is a very minor problem and can be pretty much
    ignored (most people aren't aware there is a mail command 
interface).

 2. The bundled archiver, pipermail, does not handle non-plain-text or
    attachments of any type at all well.  You can get round this by
    using an external archiver such as MHonArc, but that makes the
    setup and maintenance more complex.
    This is likely to be a bigger issue for you.
 
	Nigel.

-- 
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From mandrake at dragon.org  Wed Mar 21 16:42:25 2001
From: mandrake at dragon.org (Cameron Mandrake)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:42:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving old data from a list.
Message-ID: <NEBBKFBJIDLAIJLEAHLEGECDCEAA.mandrake@dragon.org>

Hello,

I am new to Mailman.  I was previously using smartlist and archiving my
lists by hand.  I have all the original mbox files for the list.  Is it
possible to convert these old archives to the current archive format?

-Cameron Mandrake




From mendeda at quincy.edu  Wed Mar 21 18:41:57 2001
From: mendeda at quincy.edu (David Mendez)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:41:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan and Attachments
Message-ID: <NDBBJGIFKLKPHDLBIICJAEBDCIAA.mendeda@quincy.edu>

We have been using MailMan and our list-administrator wanted to know if
MailMan will show an attachement to her before she sends it out.  We know
that MailMan will send the attachment and clients will read it just fine,
but she is unable to view the attachmnet when she is on the web reviewing a
message before she sends it out.  It shows the usual web page, but at the
bottom where the attachement or message will be, she sees the encoded
gibberish.  Is it possible for her to see the attachement or does MailMan
not have the functionality to do so??  Thanks.

Dave Mendez
mendeda at quincy.edu




From fritz at vtg.at  Wed Mar 21 18:42:34 2001
From: fritz at vtg.at (Fritz Thomas (VTG))
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:42:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Message-ID: <8D0C388E362DD211AC0300A0C96029DE744F6E@mail.intra.cnv.at>

Hi there!

I've got a mailinglist with about 200 subscribers and get the following
logentries when qrunner wants to deliver the queued mail to the subscribers:

~/mailman/logs/smtp shows the following entries:

Mar 21 18:10:00 2001 (30558) All recipients refused: please run connect()
first
Mar 21 18:10:00 2001 (30558) smtp for 154 recips, completed in 120.047
seconds


~/mailman/logs/smtp-failure has 154 lines like this:

Mar 21 18:10:00 2001 (30558) -1 foo at bar.com (ignore)

after about 40 seconds:
/var/log/maillog (sendmail 8.11.2 with Trend Interscan in front)

Mar 21 18:10:42 foo sendmail[30562]: f2LH80G30562: lost input channel from
localhost [127.0.0.1] to Daemon0 after rcpt


And because the mail can not be delivered, it won't get out of the queue and
so qrunner tries to send it all
the time.

Any hints?

Thanks in advance

Thomas



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Wed Mar 21 20:14:11 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:14:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping spam off open lists
In-Reply-To: <200103210608.f2L683332483@rscl.ramshyam.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010321110853.02c6f8f0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
will be sent to a moderator for approval?

If so, can *this* list please be appropriately configured?

If you want to let non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that 
I personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
adding a simple filter such as if the non-subscriber's post mentions 
"mailman", let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes to the 
moderator?

It shouldn't be THAT hard for someone who writes mailing list software to 
come up with an easy and simple way to keep spammers off their own 
software-users mailing list.

jc


On 10:08 PM 3/20/01, a spammer sent wrote:
 >
 >Hello,
 >
 >Let me just take a minute of your time....
 >
 >24x7 Online Chat Support  must always have been a
<snip>
 >This is a one time mail, you need not send
 >REMOVE / UNSUBSCRIBE information.
 >	
 >callcenter at ramshyam.com
 >
 >
 >------------------------------------------------------
 >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
 >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Mar 21 20:17:37 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:17:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC or algorithm for creation of Message-ID
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010321141102.049b9b80@internet.idrc.ca>

Hi,

Does anyone on the list know of an RFC or, better yet, an "official" 
algorithm to use for the creation of a message's Message-ID: header value? 
I'm gating web forums to Mailman lists and need to generate Message-IDs for 
messages created via the web interface. I need to insert the ID in a forum 
DB field and deposit it into the outgoing message.

Thanks,
Kevin




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Mar 21 20:43:25 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:43:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan and Attachments 
In-Reply-To: Message from "David Mendez" <mendeda@quincy.edu> 
   of "Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:41:57 CST." <NDBBJGIFKLKPHDLBIICJAEBDCIAA.mendeda@quincy.edu> 
References: <NDBBJGIFKLKPHDLBIICJAEBDCIAA.mendeda@quincy.edu> 
Message-ID: <2407.985203805@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:41:57 -0600 
David Mendez <mendeda at quincy.edu> wrote:

> We have been using MailMan and our list-administrator wanted to
> know if MailMan will show an attachement to her before she sends
> it out.  We know that MailMan will send the attachment and clients
> will read it just fine, but she is unable to view the attachmnet
> when she is on the web reviewing a message before she sends it
> out.  It shows the usual web page, but at the bottom where the
> attachement or message will be, she sees the encoded gibberish.
> Is it possible for her to see the attachement or does MailMan not
> have the functionality to do so??  Thanks.

Shye can use the moderation interface to email herself a copy of the
message, at which point she can review the attachment.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Mar 21 20:51:16 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:51:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RFC or algorithm for creation of Message-ID
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010321141102.049b9b80@internet.idrc.ca>; from kmccann@bellanet.org on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 02:17:37PM -0500
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010321141102.049b9b80@internet.idrc.ca>
Message-ID: <20010321135116.R9047@mallorn.com>

> Does anyone on the list know of an RFC or, better yet, an "official" 
> algorithm to use for the creation of a message's Message-ID: header value? 
> I'm gating web forums to Mailman lists and need to generate Message-IDs for 
> messages created via the web interface. I need to insert the ID in a forum 
> DB field and deposit it into the outgoing message.

Hi Kevin,

   Take a look at RFC 822 -- it describes the Message-ID: header.

   If I remember correctly, it's in the form of 

      <atom>@<atom>

   and should be unique.

   Most sites choose to do

      <unique identifier>@example.com

   (replacing example.com with their domain name).  The unique identifier
   is usually generated based on the current time and process id, i.e.

      time() . $$

   in perl.  It can be left as base 10, converted to base 16, run through
   md5sum to create a 32-bit number, etc...

Chris



From brownboy at orangeage.com  Thu Mar 22 06:47:14 2001
From: brownboy at orangeage.com (R e i d O d a)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:47:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how does Mailman store users
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103212142040.25032-100000@straylight.highplainsdrifter.org>

hi,

i'm thinking of integrating Mailman into a system which stores users in a
mysql database.  i'm wondering how Mailman stores users and if you have
any advice on how to make this happen smoothly.  i'd like for
subscribe/unsubscribe email messages also change the database.  

any advice would be greatly appreciated!

-reid




From anab.diez at si.upct.es  Thu Mar 22 13:39:19 2001
From: anab.diez at si.upct.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ana_Bel=E9n_D=EDez_Barreiro?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:39:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman's configuration
References: <E14czJg-0006BP-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <00ef01c0b2cd$1fdeaa60$2f2980d4@azl.upct.es>

I finished to install Mailman 2.0.1 but I like know how I be sure that the
user id under which muy CGI scripts run is not in the mailman group
(according to file INSTALL, 4.Final system set-up)

Thank you.

Ana D?ez Barreiro





From James.Madill at duke.edu  Thu Mar 22 16:08:42 2001
From: James.Madill at duke.edu (James.Madill at duke.edu)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:08:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting who sends out monthly reminders?
Message-ID: <OFDB5B0450.589F85E5-ON85256A17.0052B470@mc.duke.edu>

Is there a configuration parameter that will allow me as the site 
administrator to have mailman send out the monthly subscription reminders 
using the list owner E-mail address (i.e. mailman-users-owner at python.org) 
instead of the site owner (mailman-owner at python.org)?

I am continually getting messages (replies to the reminders) from list 
subscribers wanting me to perform list administration (unsubscribes and 
such), which should really go to the administrators of those lists.

-- James

      o o o o o o o . . .   _______________________ _______=======_T___
    o      _____            |James Madill         | |Duke Univ Med Ctr|
 >.][__n_n_| D[  ====|____  |james.madill at duke.edu| | (919) 286-6384  |
  (________|__|_[____/____]_|_____________________|_|_________________|
 _/oo  O-O-O  `  oo     oo  'o^o^o           o^o^o` 'o^o           o^o`
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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From sweilnau at ietf.org  Thu Mar 22 16:46:09 2001
From: sweilnau at ietf.org (Stanley Weilnau)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:46:09 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: To upgrade or not to upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <12656.985064346@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.05.10103221041550.443-100000@action-nt.cnri.reston.va.us>

I have a the same question about upgrading from Version 1.x.  However, I
have live lists and have made changes to some of the code and to the html
pages.  The servers are running Solaris 2.6.   

Is there a recommended way of cutting over?  I plan on moving the 
installation to a test machine and attempting to migrate this machine to
Version 2.x to see what the problems might be. 

Stanley Weilnau


On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:57 -0600 
> Bill Addington <billa at at-psi.com> wrote:
> 
> > We are currently running version 1.x of Mailman with no real lists
> > in place other than tests.  I feel we should upgrade to the latest
> > version before cranking this thing up.  Our platform is Red Hat
> > version 6.1.  My question is: Is there a simple upgrade path to
> > the latest version of Mailman from where we now stand, or would I
> > be better off in unloading the older version and installing the
> > latest?  Thanks in advance for any help!  Bill Addington
> 
> Given that you have no extant lists or other working installations
> the two are largely synonymous.  In your case I'd ted to a fresh
> install -- that way I'd get a chance to educate myself (and
> document) on exactly what I did to get it working.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From James.Madill at duke.edu  Thu Mar 22 17:25:56 2001
From: James.Madill at duke.edu (James.Madill at duke.edu)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp EOM marker problems
Message-ID: <OFC34D7C88.367501BE-ON85256A17.00599D29@mc.duke.edu>

Earlier this week two messages were sent to seperate lists on the Mailman 
server I maintain.  Each contained the smtp EOM (End Of Message) marker, a 
lone period on  a line, within the message.

It appears that when the message was sent out (using sendmail 8.11.1), 
sendmail cut the message short at the EOM marker.  That is unfortunate, 
but not the problem.  The problem is that there was enough text after the 
EOM that Mailman never dequeued the message.  As a result, a truncated 
copy of the messages was sent out every minute until I was able to remove 
them from the mailman/qfiles directory.

I am able to reproduce the problem on demand.  However, messages with 
little text after the EOM, the message was dequeued properly.

Can anyone shed some light as to how to eliminate this problem?  I don't 
care if the message is sent out truncated.  It is the multiple messages 
that is the problem.

-- James

      o o o o o o o . . .   _______________________ _______=======_T___
    o      _____            |James Madill         | |Duke Univ Med Ctr|
 >.][__n_n_| D[  ====|____  |james.madill at duke.edu| | (919) 286-6384  |
  (________|__|_[____/____]_|_____________________|_|_________________|
 _/oo  O-O-O  `  oo     oo  'o^o^o           o^o^o` 'o^o           o^o`
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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Thu Mar 22 17:51:29 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:51:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp EOM marker problems 
In-Reply-To: Message from James.Madill@duke.edu 
   of "Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:25:56 EST." <OFC34D7C88.367501BE-ON85256A17.00599D29@mc.duke.edu> 
Message-ID: <E14g8J7-0002fB-00@rioja.localnet>

James.Madill at duke.edu said:
> It appears that when the message was sent out (using sendmail 8.11.1),
>  sendmail cut the message short at the EOM marker.  That is
> unfortunate,  but not the problem.  The problem is that there was
> enough text after the  EOM that Mailman never dequeued the message.
> As a result, a truncated  copy of the messages was sent out every
> minute until I was able to remove  them from the mailman/qfiles
> directory.

[You didn't mention the Mailman version you run... I guess it must be a 
V2 of some sort due to the qfiles mentions - I'm using 2.0.3 and so a 
couple of comments below might be wrong if you are running anything 
much earlier]

I at first assumed you are injecting mail with SMTP and that the SMTP 
handler was broken... however a look at smtplib.py shows that it does 
double leading periods on lines, and so that is as it should...

In which case you must be using the Sendmail.py interface.  I've 
commented on this on the list before... I personally wouldn't trust any 
mail I wanted to get out to this handler.

The practice of terminating a message with a single period is part of 
SMTP, but some unix dumb MUAs used it too... and some sendmail's hence 
also do it :-(
I'm very lucky in having no sendmail instances and no sendmail 
documentation here, so can't check the option you need to prevent this 
behaviour - however exim's sendmail compatibility mode uses -oi to do 
this.

You appear to have 2 options in this:-
  1. Change the definition of SENDMAIL_CMD in your site defaults and
     add a -oi flag (although I would check this first).

  2. Move to SMTP injection.... it has so many advantages

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From yua at artlover.com  Thu Mar 22 17:09:11 2001
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:09:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages not going to list
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010318211928.03d57160@backupcentral.com>
Message-ID: <000901c0b2ea$745cbce0$803c7180@yua>

> But in a virtual host environment, I don't have root and I don't have 
> control over the mail aliases file.  All mail for 'test' gets 

You need to ask your service provider to do it for you.  BTW, you need
their permisison to run mailman stuff anyway.

Alex




From rfile at radicon.com  Thu Mar 22 17:58:50 2001
From: rfile at radicon.com (Rodney File)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:58:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman
Message-ID: <NEBBJKOFPMHOOBBEOHHHIECICFAA.rfile@radicon.com>

My webhost provider has moved all of my accounts to new
servers and currently going through a software retraining
curve.  Nothing like learning to use all new software with
only a few days before the new servers go live.  

What is the simplest way to setup mailman to be used as a
newsletter mailing list only?  I want the administrator to
be the only one to be able to send to the group.  I do not
want any replies to be resent to the group.

Thanks for your help.

Rodney 




From ross at willow.seitz.com  Thu Mar 22 18:27:35 2001
From: ross at willow.seitz.com (Ross Vandegrift)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting with Mailman
Message-ID: <20010322122735.A5936@ip149.seitz.com>

Hello all,

	I poked around the mailman website, and saw that Mailman supports virtual hosting.  Mad cool stuff.  So I set up
virtual hosting sendmail, but I can't find any documentation for virtual hosting with Mailman.  Where can I find some literature?

Ross Vandegrift
coolio at tmbg.org
ross at willow.seitz.com



From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Thu Mar 22 22:16:57 2001
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowed Senders
Message-ID: <200103222116.QAA28500@storm.nando.net>

Is there a way to allow an entire domain to send but not others?

I would like to allow *@nandomedia.com to send to my mailing list, but
not *.foo.org.

--Neil




From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Mar 22 22:39:01 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce handler - maybe needs tweaking?
Message-ID: <3ABA70F5.A4EF0AEC@nleaudio.com>

Hello,

I just diagnosed a problem today that I found by looking at the /mailman/logs/bounce file.  I kept seeing in there:

> address tcsound at core.com not a member.

I did find an address in the membership of: tcsound at megsinet.com, so I tried sending a message to that address.  Here's the results:

> The original message was received at Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:37:48 -0500 (EST)
> from ns.nlenet.net [64.65.206.24]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <tcsound at megsinet.com>
>     (reason: service unavailable)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> mail.local: unknown name: tcsound at core.com
> 554 5.0.0 <tcsound at megsinet.com>... Service unavailable

Obviously Mailman's bounce handlers picked up the core.com part, but didn't pick up the megsinet.com address, which is what was bouncing from the list.  Can this be fixed?

Bob



From kathleen at augustmail.com  Fri Mar 23 03:43:22 2001
From: kathleen at augustmail.com (Kathleen Weaver)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:43:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host problems
Message-ID: <200103222043220220.0F059B9D@augustmail.com>

I've got Mailman setup on a virtual host.

A List works fine on the main domain, but if I try to set up a list on a virtual domain, the list messages go to default email address for the site, instead of being posted on the list.

That list worked fine until I moved it to the virtual server addresses, and now the mail is going only to the default address  (the one missaddressed stuff goes to).

Thanks in advance for the help.


kathleen







From rcarolino at paete.org  Fri Mar 23 05:03:09 2001
From: rcarolino at paete.org (Rey Carolino)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest
Message-ID: <000101c0b34e$2c759be0$b864fea9@ryan>

Hi!

We are using Mailman for our mailing list service through www.site5.com

is it possible for us to force the creation of the digest via an e-mail
command?

thanks,

Rey Carolino
email: rcarolino at paete.org


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From rcarolino at paete.org  Fri Mar 23 05:08:29 2001
From: rcarolino at paete.org (Rey Carolino)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:08:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: delivery failure
Message-ID: <000801c0b34e$eb7358c0$b864fea9@ryan>

Hi!

We are using Mailman for our mailing list service through www.site5.com

is it possible for us to force the creation of the digest via an e-mail
command?

thanks,

Rey Carolino
email: rcarolino at paete.org




From gvsmony at inapp.com  Fri Mar 23 05:44:52 2001
From: gvsmony at inapp.com (Mony)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:14:52 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail man
Message-ID: <002e01c0b354$0172cf20$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>

Hai,
 I have installed mailman-2.0.3. I added a new list. I dont have a web server running on the machine on which mailman was installed. 

 How can i modify the miling list members in the list i created?


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From remmy at cistron.nl  Fri Mar 23 05:54:31 2001
From: remmy at cistron.nl (Remco Rijnders)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:54:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
Message-ID: <20010323055431.W12162@winter>

Hello all,

I am trying to get Mailman compiled and installed from source and
experiencing some difficulties with it. I've created a testlist but
when I try to access the given URL I receive an internal server error.

According to the documentation this means that the GID or UID
permissions are wrong. Nothing gets logged to the syslog though and in
the httpd error log is the following:

-----
[Thu Mar 22 23:37:58 2001] [error] [client 213.84.15.171] Premature
end of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
-----

What I fail to understand though is when I su to nobody (the ID the
httpd processes run with) and then execute

-----
[nobody at spring mailman-2.0.3]$ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo test
-----

that I get perfect HTML output as I would expect.

Could it be that I have made a symlink from /home/starchat/www/mailman
to /home/mailman/cgi-bin that is messing things up for me?

When I copy the cgi-bin directory from the mailman home dir to under
the starchat/www/cgi-bin directory I can access the page (though still
with an error:  )

-----
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
-----

Can anyone let me know what I am doing wrong? I've run out of ideas
myself.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Sincerely yours,

Remco Rijnders

-- 
ICQ: 760542, Tel: (+31) 6 11316573, http://www.webconquest.com
-*- Zippy's revelation of the moment: -*-
Did I do an INCORRECT THING??



From perrylynch at lbd.org  Fri Mar 23 06:00:46 2001
From: perrylynch at lbd.org (Perry Lynch)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:00:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host problems
In-Reply-To: <200103222043220220.0F059B9D@augustmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010322235702.01d83c08@big.lbd.org>

I am having similar problems!   I started out running my web server 
(apache) for just one site, and got Mailman running pretty well, then 
added  a second site via virtual hosting.  Now I can't get to the admin 
pages. I get a very generic web page that says there is a config error and 
that the System Admin should check the logs.

Does anyone have an idea about this? My mail lists are running fine, but 
nobody can get to the admin pages!  Running mandrake 7.2, Mailman 2.03, 
postfix.

Thanks!
Perry

At 08:43 PM 3/22/2001 -0600, Kathleen Weaver wrote:
>I've got Mailman setup on a virtual host.
>
>A List works fine on the main domain, but if I try to set up a list on a 
>virtual domain, the list messages go to default email address for the 
>site, instead of being posted on the list.
>
>That list worked fine until I moved it to the virtual server addresses, 
>and now the mail is going only to the default address  (the one 
>missaddressed stuff goes to).
>
>Thanks in advance for the help.
>
>
>kathleen
>
>
>
>
>
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From Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 10:10:51 2001
From: Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk (Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK])
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:10:51 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole
Message-ID: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83B9@SCFTUKX1>

When I confirm the subscription to a mailing list I am setting up or try to
post to it I get no response. No error, nothing appears on the list, no new
subscribers in the list, zip. I have set up /etc/virtusertable and
/etc/aliases correctly, as far as I can tell, and if I change the lines in
/etc/aliases that say (for an example mailing list called "news") from...

mailman: <my admin email address>
mailman-owner: mailman
news: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post news"
news-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner news"
news-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd news"
news-owner: news-admin

...to say...

mailman: <my admin email address>
mailman-owner: mailman
news: <my home email address>
news-admin: <my home email address>
news-request: <my home email address>
news-owner: news-admin

...then I do indeed get the subscription requests and posts directed back to
me. So Sendmail must be doing it's stuff OK. So why doesn't Mailman respond?

Mailman is installed as user "mailman" with prefix "/home/mailman/".

Regards,
Simon Blandford.



From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Fri Mar 23 10:22:28 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:22:28 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole
In-Reply-To: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83B9@SCFTUKX1>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231017100.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Did you set up the crontab ?
I suggest that you try :

<python home>/bin//python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner


(I had the same problem when I tried mailman at the first time ... and
 forgot to set up the crons for mailman user)

Phil.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK] wrote:

> When I confirm the subscription to a mailing list I am setting up or try to
> post to it I get no response. No error, nothing appears on the list, no new
> subscribers in the list, zip. I have set up /etc/virtusertable and
> /etc/aliases correctly, as far as I can tell, and if I change the lines in
> /etc/aliases that say (for an example mailing list called "news") from...
>
> mailman: <my admin email address>
> mailman-owner: mailman
> news: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post news"
> news-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner news"
> news-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd news"
> news-owner: news-admin
>
> ...to say...
>
> mailman: <my admin email address>
> mailman-owner: mailman
> news: <my home email address>
> news-admin: <my home email address>
> news-request: <my home email address>
> news-owner: news-admin
>
> ...then I do indeed get the subscription requests and posts directed back to
> me. So Sendmail must be doing it's stuff OK. So why doesn't Mailman respond?
>
> Mailman is installed as user "mailman" with prefix "/home/mailman/".
>
> Regards,
> Simon Blandford.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>






From Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 10:24:17 2001
From: Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk (Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK])
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:24:17 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole
Message-ID: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83BA@SCFTUKX1>

Hi Phil,

Yes I am sure I did this. I even checked that cron was set up after, I will
double check again though.

Thanks,
Simon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Rodriguez
[mailto:Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com]
Sent: 23 March 2001 09:22
To: Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK]
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole



Did you set up the crontab ?
I suggest that you try :

<python home>/bin//python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner


(I had the same problem when I tried mailman at the first time ... and
 forgot to set up the crons for mailman user)

Phil.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK] wrote:

> When I confirm the subscription to a mailing list I am setting up or try
to
> post to it I get no response. No error, nothing appears on the list, no
new
> subscribers in the list, zip. I have set up /etc/virtusertable and
> /etc/aliases correctly, as far as I can tell, and if I change the lines in
> /etc/aliases that say (for an example mailing list called "news") from...
>
> mailman: <my admin email address>
> mailman-owner: mailman
> news: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post news"
> news-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner news"
> news-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd news"
> news-owner: news-admin
>
> ...to say...
>
> mailman: <my admin email address>
> mailman-owner: mailman
> news: <my home email address>
> news-admin: <my home email address>
> news-request: <my home email address>
> news-owner: news-admin
>
> ...then I do indeed get the subscription requests and posts directed back
to
> me. So Sendmail must be doing it's stuff OK. So why doesn't Mailman
respond?
>
> Mailman is installed as user "mailman" with prefix "/home/mailman/".
>
> Regards,
> Simon Blandford.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Fri Mar 23 10:25:46 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:25:46 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
In-Reply-To: <20010323055431.W12162@winter>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231024130.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

You can have a look to $prefix/logs/error ... maybe.


Phil.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Remco Rijnders wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am trying to get Mailman compiled and installed from source and
> experiencing some difficulties with it. I've created a testlist but
> when I try to access the given URL I receive an internal server error.
>
> According to the documentation this means that the GID or UID
> permissions are wrong. Nothing gets logged to the syslog though and in
> the httpd error log is the following:
>
> -----
> [Thu Mar 22 23:37:58 2001] [error] [client 213.84.15.171] Premature
> end of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> -----
>
> What I fail to understand though is when I su to nobody (the ID the
> httpd processes run with) and then execute
>
> -----
> [nobody at spring mailman-2.0.3]$ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo test
> -----
>
> that I get perfect HTML output as I would expect.
>
> Could it be that I have made a symlink from /home/starchat/www/mailman
> to /home/mailman/cgi-bin that is messing things up for me?
>
> When I copy the cgi-bin directory from the mailman home dir to under
> the starchat/www/cgi-bin directory I can access the page (though still
> with an error:  )
>
> -----
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
> but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> -----
>
> Can anyone let me know what I am doing wrong? I've run out of ideas
> myself.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Remco Rijnders
>
> --
> ICQ: 760542, Tel: (+31) 6 11316573, http://www.webconquest.com
> -*- Zippy's revelation of the moment: -*-
> Did I do an INCORRECT THING??
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From alessio at albourne.com  Fri Mar 23 10:45:36 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:45:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Notification to unsubscribed users
Message-ID: <3ABB1B40.2E81F709@albourne.com>

Is it possible to remove the notification of unsubscription?

This is my situation: I have a number of distribution lists generated
after database queries. Via cron, I run a script that obtain the lists
of addresses for the list and update it using sync_members.

The send_welcome_msg is set to No so users are not notified when added
to the specific list, but whenever they are moved to a different list,
they receive a message they cannot understand stating they've been
removed from a list. I don't find any option to set to change this
behaviour, is it possible to set it?

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at albourne.com
APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 10:54:27 2001
From: Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk (Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK])
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:54:27 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole
Message-ID: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83BC@SCFTUKX1>

One question for anyone who might know...

Why isn't qrunner mensioned in the "install" document?


Regards,
Simon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Rodriguez
[mailto:Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com]
Sent: 23 March 2001 09:22
To: Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK]
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole



Did you set up the crontab ?
I suggest that you try :

<python home>/bin//python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner


(I had the same problem when I tried mailman at the first time ... and
 forgot to set up the crons for mailman user)

Phil.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK] wrote:

> When I confirm the subscription to a mailing list I am setting up or try
to
> post to it I get no response. No error, nothing appears on the list, no
new
> subscribers in the list, zip. I have set up /etc/virtusertable and
> /etc/aliases correctly, as far as I can tell, and if I change the lines in
> /etc/aliases that say (for an example mailing list called "news") from...
>
> mailman: <my admin email address>
> mailman-owner: mailman
> news: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post news"
> news-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner news"
> news-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd news"
> news-owner: news-admin
>
> ...to say...
>
> mailman: <my admin email address>
> mailman-owner: mailman
> news: <my home email address>
> news-admin: <my home email address>
> news-request: <my home email address>
> news-owner: news-admin
>
> ...then I do indeed get the subscription requests and posts directed back
to
> me. So Sendmail must be doing it's stuff OK. So why doesn't Mailman
respond?
>
> Mailman is installed as user "mailman" with prefix "/home/mailman/".
>
> Regards,
> Simon Blandford.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From stu at ekins.net  Fri Mar 23 15:44:53 2001
From: stu at ekins.net (Stu Ekins)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:44:53 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users being disabled.
Message-ID: <BJEKLFPEBALNOFGGKCJAOEKLCCAA.stu@ekins.net>

Hi all,

One of the lists on my server currently has in excess of 1000 users. Every
so often, some users have their delivery automatically disabled for no
apparent reason, although it seems to happen after they post. So far it
seems only to be happening to digest members but it may be that regular list
members have simply not complained.

I'd say there are about 5 or 6 accounts that are regularly affected in this
way and perhaps a couple more that have had it happen just once or twice.

The box is RedHat 7.0 with mailman 2.0.1 	and using a sendmail version 8.11

Has anybody had any similar problems? The logs show very little that I can
see -- although the affected users all appear in the bounce log from time to
time, so do many others who don't get disabled. That said, I only ever see
"first" for the affected users, not "first fresh". Does anybody know how the
bouncing stuff works in detail?

Any help appreciated,

Stu.




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Mar 23 16:35:32 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 23 Mar 2001 16:35:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translation of web page.
In-Reply-To: "a.marcedone@portamagica.it"'s message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:29:45 +0100"
References: <NOBBKHIIOLGMGDBHABJOKEEDCBAA.admin@netts.com>
	<005501c0b0aa$f48d3e40$fa00a8c0@homelan.org>
Message-ID: <lzg0g45whn.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

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"a.marcedone at portamagica.it" <alberto at portamagica.it> writes:

> I have try to translate in italian language the "listinfo" and the other page of Mailman.
> 
> But in the page are some messages that are NOT in the html code.
> 
> E.g.: Afther the e-mail address. and before the password, at the end of the html message
> mailman add: . Once a month, your password will be emailed to you as a reminder.
> 
> Where are this small messages to translate it?

~/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py

 Gru? Detlef Neubauer

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From jens at jsconsult.dk  Fri Mar 23 16:54:21 2001
From: jens at jsconsult.dk (Jens W. Skov)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:54:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Plesk
Message-ID: <PGEDLDJGIMGMJMFBFHDGCEEMEIAA.jens@jsconsult.dk>

Has anyone succeded in installing Mailman on a boc running Plesk?

- Jens W. Skov - JS Consult
- Phone:  45884077 / 23254077
- E-Mail: jens at jsconsult.dk
- Web: http://www.jsconsult.dk http://jnet.dk
- FASTNETTELEFONI TIL LAVPRIS? EXTRA LAV K?BENHAVNERTAKST?





From sweetsue at sweethomes.com  Fri Mar 23 17:06:13 2001
From: sweetsue at sweethomes.com (Susanne Bullo)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:06:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Plesk
References: <PGEDLDJGIMGMJMFBFHDGCEEMEIAA.jens@jsconsult.dk>
Message-ID: <02c201c0b3b3$2ff11320$f30dbbd0@address.com>

I would like to hear feedback on this as well.

Susanne Bullo
Sweet Homes Web Services
http://www.sweethomes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jens W. Skov" <jens at jsconsult.dk>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:54 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Plesk


> Has anyone succeded in installing Mailman on a boc running Plesk?
>
> - Jens W. Skov - JS Consult
> - Phone:  45884077 / 23254077
> - E-Mail: jens at jsconsult.dk
> - Web: http://www.jsconsult.dk http://jnet.dk
> - FASTNETTELEFONI TIL LAVPRIS? EXTRA LAV K?BENHAVNERTAKST?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Fri Mar 23 18:06:03 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:06:03 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231801200.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Hello,

I'm now testing mailman-2.0.3, it's working well, but each minute
 I'm receiving an email (see below).
Maybe this problem more a Python problem ?
I've installed Python from a package, and could find no informations
 about $PYTHONHOME.

Did someone had this problem ?


Thank's for your answers.

Phil.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:00:03 +0100 (MET)
From: root <root>
Subject: cron

Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>
Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]


*************************************************
Cron: The previous message is the standard output
      and standard error of one of your crontab commands:

/opt/python/bin//python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner





From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Fri Mar 23 18:12:22 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:12:22 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from Majordomo to Mailman ?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231806050.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Hello,

I'm actually testing Mailman, maybe to replace Majordomo on my server.
My questions are the following :
 - will Mailman be able to manage 700 or more mailing lists ? (is it
    reasonable ?)
 - how can I migrate all my lists (I can write scripts, but I won't
    migrate more than 700 lists by hand !!)


Thank you for you help,

Phil ;)




From mrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Mar 23 19:56:56 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:56:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc
Message-ID: <20010323125656.Y670@mrbill.net>

I've got some fairly high-traffic mailing lists (sunmanagers, with ~3K 
members, sunhelp with ~1K, and 3 or 4 others with ~500 members).

Upgraded to Python 2.0 this morning, and recompiled/reinstalled 
mailman 2.0.3 along with it (had already been running this version,
but I figure recompiling/installing it along with the new python
wouldnt hurt).  I started getting a lot *more* of these in 
/usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner than normal:

Mar 23 10:47:06 2001 (29208) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:48:03 2001 (29234) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:49:01 2001 (29246) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:50:04 2001 (29272) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:51:02 2001 (29300) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:52:02 2001 (29313) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:53:03 2001 (29325) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:54:02 2001 (29336) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 10:55:03 2001 (29381) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 11:01:03 2001 (29527) Could not acquire qrunner lock

At this point, I looked at the crontab, and changed the qrunner
line to this (I figured it was trying too often):

# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
1,15,30,45 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

Now, I'm seeing this in qrunner:

Mar 23 11:15:03 2001 (29811) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/
32cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
Mar 23 11:30:04 2001 (199) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 11:45:02 2001 (426) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32
cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
Mar 23 12:01:04 2001 (784) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 12:15:02 2001 (1043) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/3
2cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
Mar 23 12:30:04 2001 (1422) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Mar 23 12:45:02 2001 (1644) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/3
2cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'

Mail is getting through, although sometimes mail I sent to a small list
(< 100 members) might take 5-6 hours to arrive - and this is to my account
on the *local machine*.  Any suggestions?  Seems I've been seeing these
delays since upgrading > 2.0.1.  

MTA is Sendmail 8.11.x, local delivery agent for local mail is procmail.
OS is Solaris 8, on a 300Mhz SPARC AXe-based machine with 128MB of RAM,
and plenty of drive space.

Thanks.

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Fri Mar 23 20:10:53 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:10:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "could not acquire qrunner lock", etc
In-Reply-To: <20010323125656.Y670@mrbill.net> from "Bill Bradford" at Mar 23, 2001 12:56:56 PM
Message-ID: <200103231910.MAA24948@mail.commercedata.com>

Sounds like you've got some permissions set wrong, Bill.  Having qrunner
run once a minute works pretty well, btw.  It keeps the queue small and the
overhead is minimal.

Dave Klingler

> 
> I've got some fairly high-traffic mailing lists (sunmanagers, with ~3K 
> members, sunhelp with ~1K, and 3 or 4 others with ~500 members).
> 
> Upgraded to Python 2.0 this morning, and recompiled/reinstalled 
> mailman 2.0.3 along with it (had already been running this version,
> but I figure recompiling/installing it along with the new python
> wouldnt hurt).  I started getting a lot *more* of these in 
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner than normal:
> 
> Mar 23 10:47:06 2001 (29208) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:48:03 2001 (29234) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:49:01 2001 (29246) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:50:04 2001 (29272) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:51:02 2001 (29300) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:52:02 2001 (29313) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:53:03 2001 (29325) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:54:02 2001 (29336) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 10:55:03 2001 (29381) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 11:01:03 2001 (29527) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> 
> At this point, I looked at the crontab, and changed the qrunner
> line to this (I figured it was trying too often):
> 
> # Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
> 1,15,30,45 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> Now, I'm seeing this in qrunner:
> 
> Mar 23 11:15:03 2001 (29811) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/
> 32cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
> 21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
> Mar 23 11:30:04 2001 (199) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 11:45:02 2001 (426) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32
> cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
> 21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
> Mar 23 12:01:04 2001 (784) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 12:15:02 2001 (1043) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/3
> 2cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
> 21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
> Mar 23 12:30:04 2001 (1422) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Mar 23 12:45:02 2001 (1644) Exception reading qfile: /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/3
> 2cc45c1b567ea4a21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560
> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/32cc45c1b567ea4a
> 21478ea362d26fe7cfae5560.db'
> 
> Mail is getting through, although sometimes mail I sent to a small list
> (< 100 members) might take 5-6 hours to arrive - and this is to my account
> on the *local machine*.  Any suggestions?  Seems I've been seeing these
> delays since upgrading > 2.0.1.  
> 
> MTA is Sendmail 8.11.x, local delivery agent for local mail is procmail.
> OS is Solaris 8, on a 300Mhz SPARC AXe-based machine with 128MB of RAM,
> and plenty of drive space.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Bill
> 
> -- 
> Bill Bradford
> mrbill at mrbill.net
> Austin, TX
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Mar 23 20:44:25 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:44:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from Majordomo to Mailman ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231806050.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>; from Philippe_Rodriguez@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:12:22PM +0100
References: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231806050.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <20010323114425.D8241@magic.merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:12:22PM +0100, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm actually testing Mailman, maybe to replace Majordomo on my server.
> My questions are the following :
>  - will Mailman be able to manage 700 or more mailing lists ? (is it
>     reasonable ?)

Sourceforge has 10,000+ mailman lists :-)

I turned off the list of all list options though:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/

I also turned off the list command that you can send by mail.

In both cases it's because mailman gets way too slow when it has to generate
that list  of lists, and  it's also to  discourage spammers to  do something
evil with the list of lists.

>  - how can I migrate all my lists (I can write scripts, but I won't
>     migrate more than 700 lists by hand !!)

Run newlist from a shell script and then run add_members -n file listname
in a shell loop.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From danielcs at ufba.br  Fri Mar 23 21:48:37 2001
From: danielcs at ufba.br (Daniel Carlos Souza de Jesus)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:48:37 -0300 (GRNLNDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman2.0.3 on AIX4.2
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.30.0103231738300.25042-100000@canudos.ufba.br>

Hello,

I am trying to install mailman 2.0.3 on AIX 4.2 with apache-1.3.19 and
Python 2.0. My hardware is a RS/6000 G30.

My webserver is running with group nobody and I configured the mailman
with --with-cgi-gid=nobody.

The following error occurs when I try to run mailman in my browser:

"Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not
match the gid as set by the Web server. The most likely cause is that
Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL
instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure
option. This entry is being stored in your syslog:
Permission denied"

What's the problem ???


Daniel Carlos
Universidade Federal da Bahia
Brazil






From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Mar 23 21:50:31 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:50:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migration from Majordomo to Mailman ?
In-Reply-To: <20010323114425.D8241@magic.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 11:44:25AM -0800
References: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231806050.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com> <20010323114425.D8241@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20010323125030.H8241@magic.merlins.org>

On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 11:44:25AM -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:12:22PM +0100, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm actually testing Mailman, maybe to replace Majordomo on my server.
> > My questions are the following :
> >  - will Mailman be able to manage 700 or more mailing lists ? (is it
> >     reasonable ?)
> 
> Sourceforge has 10,000+ mailman lists :-)
> 
> I turned off the list of all list options though:
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/
> 
> I also turned off the list command that you can send by mail.

I forgot: in mailman 2.0, you want to turn off HTML archiving (mm_cfg.py) or
qrunner won't be able to keep up with posts
(this is being fixed in mm 2.1)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From tep at SDSC.EDU  Fri Mar 23 22:30:31 2001
From: tep at SDSC.EDU (Tom Perrine)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:30:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
References: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231806050.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com> <20010323114425.D8241@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <200103232130.NAA03849@lart>

I have a mailing list that I've run for about 8 years.  It started as
a sendmail alias, and eventually moved to Majordomo.

I'm moving to Mailman and I'd like to inject all the old messages into
the Mailman databases.

I have the messages as mbox (or files that can be converted to mbx).

Any suggestions?  I though about just procmailing them into the new
list addresses, but that will generate new unwanted Received: lines as
well as other unwanted headers...

I'm not afraid of any programming language, so if I need to cut code,
so be it :-)

--tep



From mandrake at dragon.org  Fri Mar 23 22:41:09 2001
From: mandrake at dragon.org (Cameron Mandrake)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:41:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
In-Reply-To: <200103232130.NAA03849@lart>
Message-ID: <NEBBKFBJIDLAIJLEAHLEEEEHCEAA.mandrake@dragon.org>

I had asked the same question a few days ago.  I found stuff in the
documentation about the 'arch' program, which will rebuild your archives
from an mbox, but it doesn't say anything about stuff that had come from the
list prior to migration to the software.

I may just try arch on an old mbox and see how it works.  I'll let you know
what I find.

-Cameron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tom Perrine
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:31 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
>
>
> I have a mailing list that I've run for about 8 years.  It started as
> a sendmail alias, and eventually moved to Majordomo.
>
> I'm moving to Mailman and I'd like to inject all the old messages into
> the Mailman databases.
>
> I have the messages as mbox (or files that can be converted to mbx).
>
> Any suggestions?  I though about just procmailing them into the new
> list addresses, but that will generate new unwanted Received: lines as
> well as other unwanted headers...
>
> I'm not afraid of any programming language, so if I need to cut code,
> so be it :-)
>
> --tep
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Mar 23 22:44:52 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:44:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole
Message-ID: <200103232142.NAA10800@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> One question for anyone who might know...
> 
> Why isn't qrunner mensioned in the "install" document?

It is:

    - IMPERATIVE!  IMPORTANT!  DO THIS!  YOU'LL BE SORRY IF YOU DON'T!

      Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
      for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or
      whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
      step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
      executing these commands:

          % su - mailman
          % cd $prefix/cron
          % crontab crontab.in




From jerrya at jerrya.net  Fri Mar 23 22:47:24 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:47:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKFBJIDLAIJLEAHLEEEEHCEAA.mandrake@dragon.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103231544140.12404-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

I haven't done exactly what you're asking about, but I THINK you should be
able to: create the list; move the mbox into the appropriate place in
~/arch/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox ; run ~/bin/arch listname.

Try that with a test list and smaller mbox file, to keep the time down
while you're figuring it out. arch can take a long time with a large mbox
file.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Cameron Mandrake wrote:

> I had asked the same question a few days ago.  I found stuff in the
> documentation about the 'arch' program, which will rebuild your archives
> from an mbox, but it doesn't say anything about stuff that had come from the
> list prior to migration to the software.
> 
> I may just try arch on an old mbox and see how it works.  I'll let you know
> what I find.
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tom Perrine
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:31 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
> >
> >
> > I have a mailing list that I've run for about 8 years.  It started as
> > a sendmail alias, and eventually moved to Majordomo.
> >
> > I'm moving to Mailman and I'd like to inject all the old messages into
> > the Mailman databases.
> >
> > I have the messages as mbox (or files that can be converted to mbx).
> >
> > Any suggestions?  I though about just procmailing them into the new
> > list addresses, but that will generate new unwanted Received: lines as
> > well as other unwanted headers...
> >
> > I'm not afraid of any programming language, so if I need to cut code,
> > so be it :-)
> >
> > --tep
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From jerrya at jerrya.net  Fri Mar 23 22:54:52 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:54:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103231544140.12404-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103231554141.12404-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jerry Adlersfluegel wrote:

> I haven't done exactly what you're asking about, but I THINK you should be
> able to: create the list; move the mbox into the appropriate place in
> ~/arch/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox ; run ~/bin/arch listname.
    ^^^^

Oops. Make that archives, not arch.


> 
> Try that with a test list and smaller mbox file, to keep the time down
> while you're figuring it out. arch can take a long time with a large mbox
> file.
> 
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Cameron Mandrake wrote:
> 
> > I had asked the same question a few days ago.  I found stuff in the
> > documentation about the 'arch' program, which will rebuild your archives
> > from an mbox, but it doesn't say anything about stuff that had come from the
> > list prior to migration to the software.
> > 
> > I may just try arch on an old mbox and see how it works.  I'll let you know
> > what I find.
> > 
> > -Cameron
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Tom Perrine
> > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:31 PM
> > > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a mailing list that I've run for about 8 years.  It started as
> > > a sendmail alias, and eventually moved to Majordomo.
> > >
> > > I'm moving to Mailman and I'd like to inject all the old messages into
> > > the Mailman databases.
> > >
> > > I have the messages as mbox (or files that can be converted to mbx).
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?  I though about just procmailing them into the new
> > > list addresses, but that will generate new unwanted Received: lines as
> > > well as other unwanted headers...
> > >
> > > I'm not afraid of any programming language, so if I need to cut code,
> > > so be it :-)
> > >
> > > --tep
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From jeffr at odeon.net  Fri Mar 23 22:57:16 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr at odeon.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:57:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new mailman user
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103231527260.6523-100000@odeon.net>

Heya folks,

I've been working on setting up a test box as I'm hoping to migrate from a
sendmail/majordomo/uw-imap sytem to a postfix/mailman/cyrus-imap system.

I've got postfix installed and using cyrus-imap for local delivery.  It
appears to be working correctly (I can send and receive e-mail both local
to the test server and from other boxes on the internet).

I then installed mailman, which seemed to go fine.  I can set up lists
and access the web interface.  However, when a message is sent to my test
list it gets bounced back to the sender.  /var/log/maillog shows the
following:

Mar 23 15:27:15 locutus 
postfix/pipe[11534]: E139233F12: to=<test at locutus.odeon.net>, relay=cyrus, 
delay=2, status=bounced (data format error) 


My entry in master.cf for cyrus is the following (which may not even be
relevent):

cyrus     unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
    flags=R user=cyrus argv=/usr/cyrus/bin/deliver -m ${extension} ${user}


In searching the mailing list archives I came across some references to
the 'data format error' in relation to DNS inconsistencies, and I was
wondering if mailman tries to do a reverse lookup which might be failing,
as my non-mailman email traffic to/from this test box is still working.

Are there any other relevant config files that I should provide?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated,

Jeff
jeffr at odeon.net




From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Fri Mar 23 23:36:49 2001
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:36:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new mailman user
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103231527260.6523-100000@odeon.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103231527260.6523-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <mpjnbt423lnevkhhor1kjqaa4t961i0n55@4ax.com>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:57:16 -0600 (CST), <jeffr at odeon.net> wrote:

>
>Heya folks,
>
>I've been working on setting up a test box as I'm hoping to migrate from a
>sendmail/majordomo/uw-imap sytem to a postfix/mailman/cyrus-imap system.
>
>I've got postfix installed and using cyrus-imap for local delivery.  It
>appears to be working correctly (I can send and receive e-mail both local
>to the test server and from other boxes on the internet).
>

You need to tell postfix to use /etc/aliases file for forwarding
messages and then put the lines that mailman tells you when it creates
the list into the /etc/aliases file and run newaliases.

It took me ages to realise, because the documentation doesn't tell
you, that mail never gets delivered to cyrus-imap.  The lines in the
aliases file pipes the mail into a wrapper program


Alan

alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk
http://www.chandler.u-net.com
http://www.chandler.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk



From tep at SDSC.EDU  Sat Mar 24 00:32:08 2001
From: tep at SDSC.EDU (Tom Perrine)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:32:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103231544140.12404-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
	(message from Jerry Adlersfluegel on Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:47:24 -0600
	(CST))
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103231544140.12404-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
Message-ID: <200103232332.PAA04155@lart>

>>>>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:47:24 -0600 (CST), Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya at jerrya.net> said:

    Jerry> I haven't done exactly what you're asking about, but I THINK you should be
    Jerry> able to: create the list; move the mbox into the appropriate place in
    Jerry> ~/arch/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox ; run ~/bin/arch listname.

    Jerry> Try that with a test list and smaller mbox file, to keep the time down
    Jerry> while you're figuring it out. arch can take a long time with a large mbox
    Jerry> file.

This *seems* to be working.  Of course, I found out the hard way that
my mail archiver was on crack in 1994;  I've never even seen some of
the message formats in this old archive file.

Other than that, "arch" *seems* to be doing the right thing.

--tep



From jeffr at odeon.net  Sat Mar 24 02:57:37 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr at odeon.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:57:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new mailman user
In-Reply-To: <mpjnbt423lnevkhhor1kjqaa4t961i0n55@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103231952420.8680-100000@odeon.net>

Well, here's more information on my setup...

Here's a snippet from my aliases file:

#mailman aliases
mailman:        jeffr
mailman-owner:  mailman

## odeon_test mailing list
## created: 23-Mar-2001 mailman
odeon_test:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post odeon_test"
odeon_test-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
odeon_test"
odeon_test-request:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd odeon_test"
odeon_test-owner:        odeon_test-admin


and here's a snippet from my main.cf file:

alias_maps = dbm:/etc/aliases


newaliases has been run, but the problem persists.

Thanks,

Jeff


On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Alan Chandler wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:57:16 -0600 (CST), <jeffr at odeon.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >Heya folks,
> >
> >I've been working on setting up a test box as I'm hoping to migrate from a
> >sendmail/majordomo/uw-imap sytem to a postfix/mailman/cyrus-imap system.
> >
> >I've got postfix installed and using cyrus-imap for local delivery.  It
> >appears to be working correctly (I can send and receive e-mail both local
> >to the test server and from other boxes on the internet).
> >
> 
> You need to tell postfix to use /etc/aliases file for forwarding
> messages and then put the lines that mailman tells you when it creates
> the list into the /etc/aliases file and run newaliases.
> 
> It took me ages to realise, because the documentation doesn't tell
> you, that mail never gets delivered to cyrus-imap.  The lines in the
> aliases file pipes the mail into a wrapper program
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk
> http://www.chandler.u-net.com
> http://www.chandler.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From remmy at cistron.nl  Sat Mar 24 05:23:48 2001
From: remmy at cistron.nl (Remco Rijnders)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 05:23:48 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103231024130.2314-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103240522530.26846-100000@picard.cistron.nl>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:

> You can have a look to $prefix/logs/error ... maybe.

Hi Phil,

I looked at the logfile and though it exists, it is as empty as it can be
:/

Any other suggestions?

Remmy

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From doug at lathi.net  Sat Mar 24 05:59:14 2001
From: doug at lathi.net (Doug Alcorn)
Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host problems
In-Reply-To: "Kathleen Weaver"'s message of "Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:43:22 -0600"
References: <200103222043220220.0F059B9D@augustmail.com>
Message-ID: <87vgozu5i5.fsf@home.lathi.net>

"Kathleen Weaver" <kathleen at augustmail.com> writes:

> A List works fine on the main domain, but if I try to set up a list
> on a virtual domain, the list messages go to default email address
> for the site, instead of being posted on the list.

I think this is an MTA problem.  I had the same thing with sendmail.
In a virtual hosting scenario, all the aliases are defined in the
virtuserstable (including the catchall); but the mailman aliases are
defined in the 'aliases' file.  The problem was that the sendmail
catchall was getting evaluated before the actual aliases.  

What I did was define an alias different than the actual list name.
For instance if the list is 'my-list at your.domain', I put an entry in
the virtusertable for 'my-list at your.domain' equal to 'my-list-alias'.
Then in the aliases file I setup the standard aliases as are spit out
from the make list command but with my-list-alias instead of my-list.

It looks like you might be running smail as opposed to sendmail.  I'm
sure the procedure is different.  This is just what I had to do to get
it to work with sendmail.  You should probably look at the order the
aliases get evaluated with your MTA.
-- 
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From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Sat Mar 24 06:51:37 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:51:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Host problems
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010322235702.01d83c08@big.lbd.org> from "Perry Lynch" at Mar 23, 2001 12:00:46 AM
Message-ID: <200103240551.WAA02788@mail.commercedata.com>

I'm running virtual domains using virtfs.  My method of doing it sounds ugly,
but I've gotten to the point where it's easy to set up and works pretty well.

For those of you who haven't used virtfs, it's basically a set of scripts that
uses chroot to set up virtual domains.  It uses a few megs of disk space per
domain, but I don't think that's a large price to pay.

Basically I keep two versions of Mailman in each domain.  One is for the MTA
that runs in the chrooted environment and has no idea that it doesn't own
the machine.  That one is compiled in /home/mailman, and I just grab a copy 
of it every time I set up a new domain.  I do a "make" in an unchrooted shell
for /home/mailman, then I copy that version over to /virtualdomain/home/mailman
each time I do an install and run "make install".

The other version is strictly for Apache.  Rather than run separate instances
of Apache, I run one and then use Apache's virtual domain mechanism, which
is excellent.  I build Mailman in the /virtualdomain/home/mailman.cgi directory,
then blow away all the directories that contain data and make symbolic links
to the data directories in the /virtualdomain/home/mailman directory while 
NOT in a chrooted environment.

So now I have two copies of mailman, one that thinks it owns the machine and
runs off the virtual domain's MTA, and one that really only contains the cgi 
stuff and runs in the regular unchrooted environment.  They both use the
same data so everything's synced up, but the right site names are compiled
in so that none of the scripts get mixed up.  I hope that the web setup stuff
will get separated into its own configuration some day, so that one could 
set a different cgi path without having two separate copies of Mailman.

There's one more thing you need to do, and that's to make sure that the 
virtual machine's relevant user and group ids (mailman, MTA and cgi) match 
the master machine's relevant user and group ids.  If you don't sync these
up you'll have lots of mysterious little problems. 

Hope that helps!
Dave Klingler

> I am having similar problems!   I started out running my web server 
> (apache) for just one site, and got Mailman running pretty well, then 
> added  a second site via virtual hosting.  Now I can't get to the admin 
> pages. I get a very generic web page that says there is a config error and 
> that the System Admin should check the logs.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea about this? My mail lists are running fine, but 
> nobody can get to the admin pages!  Running mandrake 7.2, Mailman 2.03, 
> postfix.
> 
> Thanks!
> Perry
> 
> At 08:43 PM 3/22/2001 -0600, Kathleen Weaver wrote:
> >I've got Mailman setup on a virtual host.
> >
> >A List works fine on the main domain, but if I try to set up a list on a 
> >virtual domain, the list messages go to default email address for the 
> >site, instead of being posted on the list.
> >
> >That list worked fine until I moved it to the virtual server addresses, 
> >and now the mail is going only to the default address  (the one 
> >missaddressed stuff goes to).
> >
> >Thanks in advance for the help.
> >
> >
> >kathleen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> --=====================_231208550==_.ALT
> Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> <html>
> I am having similar problems!&nbsp; <i> </i>I started out running my web
> server (apache) for just one site, and got Mailman running pretty well,
> then added&nbsp; a second site via virtual hosting.&nbsp; Now I can't get
> to the admin pages. I get a very generic web page that says there is a
> config error and that the System Admin should check the logs.<br>
> <br>
> Does anyone have an idea about this? My mail lists are running fine, but
> nobody can get to the admin pages!&nbsp; Running mandrake 7.2, Mailman
> 2.03, postfix.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks!<br>
> Perry<br>
> <br>
> At 08:43 PM 3/22/2001 -0600, Kathleen Weaver wrote:<br>
> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I've got Mailman setup on a virtual
> host.<br>
> <br>
> A List works fine on the main domain, but if I try to set up a list on a
> virtual domain, the list messages go to default email address for the
> site, instead of being posted on the list.<br>
> <br>
> That list worked fine until I moved it to the virtual server addresses,
> and now the mail is going only to the default address&nbsp; (the one
> missaddressed stuff goes to).<br>
> <br>
> Thanks in advance for the help.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> kathleen<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ------------------------------------------------------<br>
> Mailman-Users maillist&nbsp; -&nbsp; Mailman-Users at python.org<br>
> <a href="http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users" eudora="autourl">http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users</a>
> </blockquote></html>
> 
> --=====================_231208550==_.ALT--
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From rpavonar at cisco.com  Sat Mar 24 08:42:27 2001
From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:42:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] module problem
Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20010324164216.00bdd8e0@localhost>

I'm having a problem getting the Japanese version of Mailman 2.0.3 to run, 
but it's not a Japanese language problem. Basically, there's a module that 
works right when I run Python via the CLI but not when it's run as a CGI. I 
read the FAQ. Didn't help.

The Japanese version uses the module kconv to convert between the encoding 
schemes used internally by Linux (euc) and e-mail (jis). I assume I 
installed the module properly because it's required to create a list 
through bin/newlist, and I can do it either as root or mailman.

After creating the list, I can access the list's page via a Web browser. 
The problem is when I try to subscribe I get the "We're sorry, we hit a 
bug!"error message. The error log file is below.

Why can Python find the module via the command line but not when it's run 
as a CGI? I assume the answer has something to do with file permissions or 
search paths, but I need some pretty specific directions on how to fix it. 
I've check the FAQ and the text in cgi.py and didn't find anything useful.

Yes, this is my first time using Python. Yes, I already asked on the 
Japanese Mailman list. The advice I got was to try using mod_snake. I got 
it to work, but not with Mailman.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to fix this for a 
week now.

Mar 23 16:48:10 2001 admin(22780): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(22780): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.3+J1 -----]
admin(22780): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(22780): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(22780):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(22780):     main()
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 53, in main
admin(22780):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 164, in process_form
admin(22780):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 1017, in AddMember
admin(22780):     HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(self, msg)
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 186, in DeliverTo
User
admin(22780):     return DeliverToList(mlist, msg, msgdata)
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 152, in DeliverTo
List
admin(22780):     pipeline = do_pipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 81, in do_pipelin
e
admin(22780):     mod = __import__('Mailman.Handlers.' + modname)
admin(22780):   File "../Mailman/Handlers/to_jis.py", line 3, in ?
admin(22780):     import kconv,sys,re,base64,string
admin(22780): ImportError: No module named kconv
admin(22780): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(22780): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Nov 28 2000, 14:34:21)  [GCC 2.95.2 19
991024 (release)]
admin(22780): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(22780): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(22780): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(22780): sys.path       = /usr
admin(22780): sys.platform   = linux-i586
admin(22780): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(22780):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/httpd/html
admin(22780):   SERVER_ADDR: 64.104.41.28
admin(22780):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(22780):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 112
admin(22780):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(22780):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/httpd/html/test
admin(22780):   REMOTE_ADDR: 171.68.225.134
admin(22780):   HTTP_COOKIE: test:admin=
admin(22780):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(22780):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: ja,en
admin(22780):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(22780):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(22780):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.75 [ja] (Win98; U)
admin(22780):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: Shift_JIS,*,utf-8
admin(22780):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg
, image/png, */*
admin(22780):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/test
admin(22780):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(22780):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
admin(22780):   PATH_INFO: /test
admin(22780):   HTTP_HOST: academy-if.cisco.com
admin(22780):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(22780):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.14 Server at academy-if.ci
sco.com Port 80</ADDRESS>


admin(22780):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(22780):   SERVER_ADMIN: rpavonar at cisco.com
admin(22780):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 (Unix)  (Trustix Secure Linux/Lin
ux)
admin(22780):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(22780):   HTTP_REFERER: http://academy-if.cisco.com/mailman/listinfo/test
admin(22780):   SERVER_NAME: academy-if.cisco.com
admin(22780):   REMOTE_PORT: 41018







From alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk  Sat Mar 24 10:09:26 2001
From: alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk (Alan Chandler)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new mailman user
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103231952420.8680-100000@odeon.net>
References: <mpjnbt423lnevkhhor1kjqaa4t961i0n55@4ax.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103231952420.8680-100000@odeon.net>
Message-ID: <uroobts6flu5sid69dgnr08u8pd9fn4k10@4ax.com>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:57:37 -0600 (CST), <jeffr at odeon.net> wrote:

>
>Well, here's more information on my setup...
>
...>
>and here's a snippet from my main.cf file:
>
>alias_maps = dbm:/etc/aliases
>
>

I have 

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

but otherwise the equivalent.

I don't really understand the difference between the two - I assume
newaliases will build your dbm file - for me it has built

/etc/aliases.db



Alan

alan at chandlerfamily.org.uk
http://www.chandler.u-net.com
http://www.chandler.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk



From gpst at ciojjk.com  Sat Mar 24 01:53:05 2001
From: gpst at ciojjk.com (gpst at ciojjk.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:53:05
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Going Platinum
Message-ID: <809.841302.791564@herewego>

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From arikkertdekoe at vianetworks.nl  Sat Mar 24 13:02:50 2001
From: arikkertdekoe at vianetworks.nl (arikkertdekoe at vianetworks.nl)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:02:50 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination check
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10103241251110.1641-100000@surf.iae.nl>

Hello mailman-users,

We have setup a mailman mailinglist viasecurity at lists2.iae.nl. Works fine.
We want the users to approach this list by the name
eindhoven.viasecurity at vianetworks.nl which forwards to
viasecurity at lists2.iae.nl.
Mailman however always checks the To: address and asks the administrator
for approval because of the implicit destination.
I could not just change the the listname (using the administrator user
interface) to prevent this.

What's the quickest solution or workaround and still use the
eindhoven.viasecurity at vianetworks.nl address ?

Andre





From dckinder at legalcarr.com  Sat Mar 24 16:38:11 2001
From: dckinder at legalcarr.com (Duncan Kinder)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:38:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for Dummies
Message-ID: <002a01c0b478$6fef41c0$02010101@duncan>

Hi.

The web hosting service  I signed up with is using Mailman to allow people
to set up mailings lists.

Accordingly,  I am seeking to learn a little more about it, as I propose to
establish both an interactive mailing list, such as this one, and a regular
bulletin type of mailing list that people can subscribe to and which
broadcasts messages on, say, a weekly basis.

If some one could point me to some introductory documentation that lays out
the ins and outs, some basic FAQs, I would appreciate it.



Duncan C. Kinder
dckinder at legalcarr.com





From rpavonar at cisco.com  Sat Mar 24 15:25:36 2001
From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:25:36 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem compiling Mailman on Trustix
Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20010324232534.00bbf9a0@localhost>

I *can* compile Mailman on Trustix 1.2 as root. I can't as any other user.

richpav at academy-if /tmp/mailman-2.0.3+J1$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 1.5.2
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot 
create executables.

My first guess was that gcc's permissions are too restrictive, but that 
doesn't appear to be the case.

-rwxr-xr-x   2 root     root        84124 Nov 28 02:41 /usr/bin/gcc*

cpp looks OK too.

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       113052 Nov 28 02:41 
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-trustix-linux/2.95.2/cpp*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           48 Mar  6 23:59 /lib/cpp 
-> ../usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-trustix-linux/2.95.2/cpp*

Obviously glib-devel is installed, otherwise I wouldn't be able to compile 
as root.
I checked all the files in gcc and gcc-c++ RPMS, and all executable files 
are executable by owner, group and everyone. (rpm -ql gcc | xargs ls -l | less)

If I can only compile as root, can I fix the problem by changing the 
ownership of some of the files in /home/mailman afterwards? I tried chown 
-R mailman /home/mailman but that broke it completely.

Thanks,

Rich 




From barry at digicool.com  Sat Mar 24 18:47:27 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:47:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] module problem
References: <4.3.2-J.20010324164216.00bdd8e0@localhost>
Message-ID: <15036.56751.167318.29200@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RMP" == Richard M Pavonarius <rpavonar at cisco.com> writes:

    RMP> Why can Python find the module via the command line but not
    RMP> when it's run as a CGI? I assume the answer has something to
    RMP> do with file permissions or search paths, but I need some
    RMP> pretty specific directions on how to fix it.  I've check the
    RMP> FAQ and the text in cgi.py and didn't find anything useful.

It's almost definitely a search path (or in Python parlance sys.path)
problem.  When run from the command line, Python implicitly imports
site.py which among other things, adds a bunch of directories to
sys.path.  You don't say where you installed kconv, but let's assume
it's in the default Python 2.0 location of
/usr/local/lib/python2.0/site-packages.

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
% python
Python 2.0 (#14, Feb 15 2001, 23:45:39) 
[GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)] on linux2
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys
>>> sys.path
['', '/home/bwarsaw/env/python', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/site-packages/PIL']
-------------------- snip snip --------------------

Under normal CLI, you can obviously see the site-packages directory
there, and thus the kconv module would be found.  Now, for performance, Mailman
starts all the cron and CGI scripts with "python -S" to avoid loading
site.py -- which can slow down invocation of Python.  Let's look at
sys.path now...

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
% python -S
Python 2.0 (#14, Feb 15 2001, 23:45:39) 
[GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)] on linux2
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import sys
>>> sys.path
['', '/home/bwarsaw/env/python', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/plat-linux2', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/lib-tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.0/lib-dynload']
-------------------- snip snip --------------------

No site-packages, and thus no kconv!

You've got a bunch of options for fixing this.  You could drop kconv
(or a symlink) into one of the paths that will always be on your
sys.path, e.g. /usr/local/lib/python2.0.  Or you could hack
Mailman/mm_cfg.py to add the proper directory onto sys.path, e.g.

import sys
sys.path.append(os.path.join(sys.prefix, 'lib', 'python'+sys.version[:3],
                             'site-packages'))

[Aside to Thomas Wouters: /this/ is my interim solution for mimelib in
2.1a1 :)]

Or you could just remove the -S option from the cron and CGI
invocations.  Doing it for cron is easy, just remove the -S's from
cron/crontab.in and reload it.  Doing it for CGI is trickier because
you have to hack src/common.c and recompile the C wrappers.  Plus,
this will slow down normal operation because of all the other work
site.py does.

Personally, I would (and did! :) add the sys.path hack to mm_cfg.py.

-Barry



From phade at powerweb.de  Sat Mar 24 21:59:09 2001
From: phade at powerweb.de (Frank Gadegast)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:59:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question: german mailman available ?
Message-ID: <3ABD0A9D.6235FEFB@powerweb.de>

Hi,

did somebody translate mailman to German so far ?
Is there a config script, with variables I can change easily ?

Kind regards, Frank
--
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Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast             mailto:frank at powerweb.de
Otto-Nagel-Str. 1a                                fon: +49 331 2370780
14467 Potsdam, Germany                            fax: +49 331 2370781
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From phade at powerweb.de  Sat Mar 24 22:00:08 2001
From: phade at powerweb.de (Frank Gadegast)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:00:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete single mailings as admin ?
Message-ID: <3ABD0AD8.68517038@powerweb.de>

Hi,

how can I remove e.g. testmails and junk easily ?

Kind regards, Frank
--
PHADE Software - PowerWeb                       http://www.powerweb.de
Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast             mailto:frank at powerweb.de
Otto-Nagel-Str. 1a                                fon: +49 331 2370780
14467 Potsdam, Germany                            fax: +49 331 2370781
======================================================================
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  Platz im Netz     Speicherplatz UND freiem Uebertragungsvolumen.



From phade at powerweb.de  Sat Mar 24 22:03:39 2001
From: phade at powerweb.de (Frank Gadegast)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:03:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change outfit of he Archive HTML-Pages ?
Message-ID: <3ABD0BAB.2AFB66B0@powerweb.de>

Hi,

there is a admin for changing the users HTML-pages, ok.
But how can I change the outfit of the archive index pages ?
Like to have different fonts and headings.

Sorry, Im not really familiar with python.

I changed in the source Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py and re-installed.
When sending a mail to the list, the index.html of the list
was corrupted.

Is there an error log, when somethings goes wrong ?

How do I re-compile the HyperArch.py ?

Kind regards, Frank
--
PHADE Software - PowerWeb                       http://www.powerweb.de
Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast             mailto:frank at powerweb.de
Otto-Nagel-Str. 1a                                fon: +49 331 2370780
14467 Potsdam, Germany                            fax: +49 331 2370781
======================================================================
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  Platz im Netz     Speicherplatz UND freiem Uebertragungsvolumen.



From phade at powerweb.de  Sat Mar 24 22:05:05 2001
From: phade at powerweb.de (Frank Gadegast)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:05:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search function for mailman archive ?
Message-ID: <3ABD0C01.9B1E789C@powerweb.de>

Sorry, last question.

Is there a search function for the archives somehow ?
Pretty annoying to read through all subject of all months
when looking for something special ...

Kind regards, Frank
--
PHADE Software - PowerWeb                       http://www.powerweb.de
Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast             mailto:frank at powerweb.de
Otto-Nagel-Str. 1a                                fon: +49 331 2370780
14467 Potsdam, Germany                            fax: +49 331 2370781
======================================================================
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  Platz im Netz     Speicherplatz UND freiem Uebertragungsvolumen.



From yua at artlover.com  Sun Mar 25 17:29:32 2001
From: yua at artlover.com (Alex Yu)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:29:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103240522530.26846-100000@picard.cistron.nl>
Message-ID: <000201c0b540$67bfa080$efba1842@yua>

> I looked at the logfile and though it exists, it is as empty 
> as it can be

Did you compile with web server's uid and gid?

Alex





From ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org  Sun Mar 25 18:34:24 2001
From: ashraf at isb.sdnpk.org (Muhammad Ashraf)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:34:24 +0500 (PKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103252128350.28758-100000@ns1-isb.sdnpk.org>

there is sigle entry in cron.like
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
hopefully on one time reminder should come to admin but actully it is not
happening with my server running mailman.Cron send two times reminder to
admin at 5 PM.same is for monthly password reminder

we are unable to trace the problem.

any one knows about this 

If no one here knows about it, very strange for me.

-- 
    Regards,
Hope remains forever
Ashraf      
 AIE

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From stu at ekins.net  Sun Mar 25 19:19:37 2001
From: stu at ekins.net (Stu Ekins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:19:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest users have mail delivery disabled.
Message-ID: <BJEKLFPEBALNOFGGKCJAKELBCCAA.stu@ekins.net>

Apologies for the resend, but I've not seen my original post of this come
through yet.

One of the lists on my server currently has in excess of 1000 users. Every
so often, some users have their delivery automatically disabled for no
apparent reason, although it seems to happen after they post. So far it
seems only to be happening to digest members but it may be that regular list
members have simply not complained.

I'd say there are about 5 or 6 accounts that are regularly affected in this
way and perhaps a couple more that have had it happen just once or twice.

The box is RedHat 7.0 with mailman 2.0.1 	and using a sendmail version 8.11

Has anybody had any similar problems? The logs show very little that I can
see -- although the affected users all appear in the bounce log from time to
time, so do many others who don't get disabled. That said, I only ever see
"first" for the affected users, not "first fresh". Does anybody know how the
bouncing stuff works in detail?

Any help appreciated,

Stu.




From hermag at excite.com  Mon Mar 26 04:02:38 2001
From: hermag at excite.com (hermag at excite.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:02:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free?
Message-ID: <200103260205.f2Q1xlck017414@sm8.texas.rr.com>


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From gary at goodbooksandmore.com  Mon Mar 26 04:23:27 2001
From: gary at goodbooksandmore.com (Gary Harris)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:23:27 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter
Message-ID: <000001c0b59b$bddf4be0$6b94ed18@j3i1u7>

Greetings,

Can someone tell me the EASIEST way to make mailman mailing lists "one
way newsletters" only?  I see it can be done, but not as simple as
with smartlist.  Am I missing something?


Thanks

Gary Harris
Arctic Barnabas Ministries
PO Box  3035
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
www.arcticbarnabas.org


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From rodeored at netstep.net  Mon Mar 26 04:50:53 2001
From: rodeored at netstep.net (Rodeo Red)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:50:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing Re:s in replies
Message-ID: <3ABEAE8C.81AB598E@netstep.net>

I'm using mailman with a web interface. I don't have access to the
installation files.

I set up mailman and it was working fine then it started stripping out
the Re: in the replies. 

a subject posted as:  Re:widgits
becomes: widgits

I probably changed something but I don't know what would have done that.
How do I get my Re:s back 
?
Also I don't see anyway to allow the user to include the text they are
replying to in theri repliues ? Is this possible with mailman ? 

-Red



From Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk  Mon Mar 26 09:14:47 2001
From: Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk (Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK])
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:14:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole
Message-ID: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83C3@SCFTUKX1>

Yes I did that.
Actually running qrunner manually didn't fix the problem either.
I have also checked that wrapper is expecting the Mail GID and that Mail is
running that GID.
Still Mystified.

Thanks,
Simon.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Mick [mailto:dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM]
Sent: 23 March 2001 21:45
To: mailman-users at python.org; Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/posts disappear into black hole



> One question for anyone who might know...
> 
> Why isn't qrunner mensioned in the "install" document?

It is:

    - IMPERATIVE!  IMPORTANT!  DO THIS!  YOU'LL BE SORRY IF YOU DON'T!

      Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
      for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or
      whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
      step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
      executing these commands:

          % su - mailman
          % cd $prefix/cron
          % crontab crontab.in



From efernandezor at antena3tv.es  Mon Mar 26 09:28:03 2001
From: efernandezor at antena3tv.es (efernandezor at antena3tv.es)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:28:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Server's list change
Message-ID: <OF92DDA801.1C28E17D-ONC1256A18.00432F9E@antena3tv.es>

Hi again.

Sorry, I want to know how change one list of machine, but I don't want to
put all users again. I want to change the list and the list's users at
time.

Do you know ??

Thanks very much.




From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Mon Mar 26 11:57:47 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:57:47 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103240522530.26846-100000@picard.cistron.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103261049080.14410-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Maybe ...

Is your logs/error file writable ?
Did you run bin/check_perms -f (with root user) after installing mailman ?

I think the link is not the problem, but what URL do you use to access
 your pages. The first one you should try is
 http://<you.server.dom.ain>/mailman/admin
And you should have sthg like
           ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/
 to configure your http server.

No other idea at the moment,


Phil.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Remco Rijnders wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:
>
> > You can have a look to $prefix/logs/error ... maybe.
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I looked at the logfile and though it exists, it is as empty as it can be
> :/
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Remmy
>
> --
> Remco Rijnders, ICQ: 760542 | Linux picard 2.2.16 is up 48 days, 17:25
> http://www.starchat.net/    | Reporter: Mr Gandhi, what do you think of
> Phone:    (+31) 70 3467809  |           Western Civilization?
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>





From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Mon Mar 26 12:01:29 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:01:29 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] implicit destination check
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10103241251110.1641-100000@surf.iae.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103261100050.14410-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Can you "rewrite" the addresses on your MTA ? Maybe it's a solution.


Phil.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 arikkertdekoe at vianetworks.nl wrote:

>
> Hello mailman-users,
>
> We have setup a mailman mailinglist viasecurity at lists2.iae.nl. Works fine.
> We want the users to approach this list by the name
> eindhoven.viasecurity at vianetworks.nl which forwards to
> viasecurity at lists2.iae.nl.
> Mailman however always checks the To: address and asks the administrator
> for approval because of the implicit destination.
> I could not just change the the listname (using the administrator user
> interface) to prevent this.
>
> What's the quickest solution or workaround and still use the
> eindhoven.viasecurity at vianetworks.nl address ?
>
> Andre
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Mon Mar 26 15:55:52 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:55:52 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete single mailings as admin ?
In-Reply-To: <200103261002.MAA03188@www.powerweb.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103261453200.14634-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

# cd ${prefix}/archives/private/<list>
# mailx -f 2001-March.txt
 ...

And then remove (with "d") the email you don't want to keep.


Phil.
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______________________________________________________________________

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Frank Gadegast wrote:

> >
> >
> > ??
> >
> > Being mailman user on your server, you can use
> >  # $prefix/bin/rmlist testmails
> >  # $prefix/bin/rmlist junk
> >
> > Don't forget to remove corresponding lines from your
> >  [/etc|/etc/mail]/aliases and run "newaliases" if necessary.
>
> Aehm, I do not want to remove the list (that was clear that
> rmlist does that).
>
> I want to remove single mailings in the archives.
>
> Kind regards, Frank
>
>
> >
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Frank Gadegast wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > how can I remove e.g. testmails and junk easily ?
> > >
> > > Kind regards, Frank
> > > --
> > > PHADE Software - PowerWeb                       http://www.powerweb.de
> > > Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast             mailto:frank at powerweb.de
> > > Otto-Nagel-Str. 1a                                fon: +49 331 2370780
> > > 14467 Potsdam, Germany                            fax: +49 331 2370781
> > > ======================================================================
> > >   PowerWeb =          Deutschlands Pauschal-Webhoster mit freiem
> > >   Platz im Netz     Speicherplatz UND freiem Uebertragungsvolumen.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
>
>




From James.Madill at duke.edu  Mon Mar 26 16:05:19 2001
From: James.Madill at duke.edu (James.Madill at duke.edu)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?
Message-ID: <OF78FF93FB.D67E60DC-ON85256A1B.004CBC87@mc.duke.edu>

I had to do this for about 150 of the lists I have when I moved from 
Listserv to Mailman.  What I had to do was to write a script that would 
create the header line at the beginning of every mailman archived message. 
 It is in the format:

        From foo at bar.com  Mon Mar  5 16:26:12 2001

Once that was done, I was able to run mailman/bin/arch to generate the 
webified archives for each list.  (a note.  running mailman/bin/arch does 
not remove old archive information, so you will end up duplicating the 
individual messages (though they are not indexed (accessible) via the web 
pages).  If you don't remove the old webified archive messages first, you 
can use up considerable space on your drive.

-- James

      o o o o o o o . . .   _______________________ _______=======_T___
    o      _____            |James Madill         | |Duke Univ Med Ctr|
 >.][__n_n_| D[  ====|____  |james.madill at duke.edu| | (919) 286-6384  |
  (________|__|_[____/____]_|_____________________|_|_________________|
 _/oo  O-O-O  `  oo     oo  'o^o^o           o^o^o` 'o^o           o^o`
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
<http://www.duke.edu/~madil001/>




Tom Perrine <tep at SDSC.EDU>
Sent by: mailman-users-admin at python.org
03/23/01 16:30

 
        To:     mailman-users at python.org
        cc: 
        Subject:        [Mailman-Users] loading old messages into MailMan?


I have a mailing list that I've run for about 8 years.  It started as
a sendmail alias, and eventually moved to Majordomo.

I'm moving to Mailman and I'd like to inject all the old messages into
the Mailman databases.

I have the messages as mbox (or files that can be converted to mbx).

Any suggestions?  I though about just procmailing them into the new
list addresses, but that will generate new unwanted Received: lines as
well as other unwanted headers...

I'm not afraid of any programming language, so if I need to cut code,
so be it :-)

--tep

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From alessio at albourne.com  Mon Mar 26 17:42:14 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:42:14 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter
References: <000001c0b59b$bddf4be0$6b94ed18@j3i1u7>
Message-ID: <3ABF6356.98BE8F56@albourne.com>

Gary Harris wrote:

> Can someone tell me the EASIEST way to make mailman mailing lists "one
> way newsletters" only?

Create the list, go to the web interface, section "Privacy option", set 
"Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to Yes, "Restrict posting
privilege to list members?" to No, and put all addresses you wishes to
use in "Addresses of members accepted for posting".

You may also wish to tweak a little the messages sent when subscribing,
etc.

-- 
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Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

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From remmy at cistron.nl  Mon Mar 26 17:58:09 2001
From: remmy at cistron.nl (Remco Rijnders)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:58:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up mailman: Internal Server Error ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103261049080.14410-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>; from Philippe_Rodriguez@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:57:47AM +0100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103240522530.26846-100000@picard.cistron.nl> <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103261049080.14410-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>
Message-ID: <20010326175808.E25018@winter>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:57:47AM +0100, Philippe Rodriguez wrote:

> Maybe ...
> 
> Is your logs/error file writable ?

Yep:

[root at spring /home]# ls -l mailman/logs
total 4
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         0 Mar 20 06:54 error
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        74 Mar 22 04:10 smtp

> Did you run bin/check_perms -f (with root user) after installing mailman ?

[root at spring mailman]# bin/check_perms -f
No problems found


> I think the link is not the problem, but what URL do you use to access
>  your pages. The first one you should try is
>  http://<you.server.dom.ain>/mailman/admin

That would not work seeing how /home/mailman/cgi-bin is linked from
/home/starchat/mailman/ which is accessible through
http://www.starchat.net/mailman/

I've tried making http://mailman.webconquest.com/ to point directly at
/home/mailman/cgi-bin/ but that gives the same internal server error.

> And you should have sthg like
>            ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/
>  to configure your http server.

<VirtualHost 66.33.127.240>
<Directory /home/starchat/www/serversecure>
        Options +ExecCGI +FollowSymLinks
        AllowOverride All
</Directory>
ServerAdmin webmaster at starchat.net
DocumentRoot /home/starchat/www
ServerName starchat.net
ServerAlias www.starchat.net
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/starchat/www/cgi-bin/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Group nobody
ErrorLog logs/starchat.net.error_log
CustomLog logs/starchat.net.access_log wusage
</VirtualHost>

> No other idea at the moment,

Thanks for trying at least :)

I'll go outside now and dance around naked, hoping it might please the
gods of code.

Kind regards,

Remco

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Yow!  Is this sexual intercourse yet??  Is it, huh, is it??



From efernandezor at antena3tv.es  Mon Mar 26 18:31:46 2001
From: efernandezor at antena3tv.es (efernandezor at antena3tv.es)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:31:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cambio de Servidor de listas
Message-ID: <OF92DDA801.1C28E17D-ONC1256A18.00432F9E@antena3tv.es>

Hola.

Queremos cambiar todo el tema de las listas de servidor, es decir de
m?quina f?sica, pero queremos hacerlo con los usuarios directamente, no
tener que meterlos otra vez.

Sabe alguien como ??

Muchas Gracias.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Mar 26 18:47:46 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:47:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cambio de Servidor de listas
References: <OF92DDA801.1C28E17D-ONC1256A18.00432F9E@antena3tv.es>
Message-ID: <3ABF72B2.3DBBE44D@pcraft.com>

efernandezor at antena3tv.es wrote:

> Queremos cambiar todo el tema de las listas de servidor, es decir de
> m?quina f?sica, pero queremos hacerlo con los usuarios directamente, no
> tener que meterlos otra vez.
>
> Sabe alguien como ??

    Yeah, you can start by posting in English, not Spanish. :)

    This question has been posted, and explained before.  Moving lists
between machines.  I moved my lists from one to the other by installing
mailman first, and then copying the .db files and templates.  And I had to
run move_list on each list to fix the paths.

    DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying your move will go as easy as mine, so don't
quote me on that.

    AMK4

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From bousebata at yahoo.fr  Mon Mar 26 18:53:21 2001
From: bousebata at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?q?bousebata=20hicham?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:53:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demande d'inscription
Message-ID: <20010326165321.64738.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com>

   J'ai l'honneur de solliciter de votre bienveillance
 de bien vouloir accepter ma demande ci-dessus...

   Je porte a votre connaissance que je suis un jeune
 marocain ?g? de 20 titulaire de bac sciences
 exp?rimentales de l'ann? 2000,je poursuis mes etudes
 en BG1 (facult? des sciences),et je veux s'inscrire 
 dans votre ?tablissement...

   Dans l'attente de votre r?ponse favorable,veuillez 
agr?e monsieur,l'expression de mes sentiments
distingu?es.


N.B: 
Nom&Pr?nom:BOUSEBATA Hicham
Adresse: N?3 Km 2 ROUTE DE SEFROU FES 30000 MAROC


___________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!? -- Pour dialoguer en direct avec vos amis, 
Yahoo! Messenger : http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com



From sbai2 at voila.fr  Mon Mar 26 18:53:10 2001
From: sbai2 at voila.fr (sbai2 at voila.fr)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:53:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demande d'inscription
Message-ID: <GATDKM$II_3pBSZz6mhG88psiXpAelhjIn5tv6RbIyZLqw4iIin@voila.fr>

   J'ai l'honneur de solliciter de votre bienveillance
 de bien vouloir accepter ma demande ci-dessus...

   Je porte a votre connaissance que je suis un jeune
 marocain ?g? de 20 titulaire de bac sciences
 exp?rimentales de l'ann? 2000,je poursuis mes etudes
 en BG1 (facult? des sciences),et je veux s'inscrire 
 dans votre ?tablissement...

   Dans l'attente de votre r?ponse favorable,veuillez 
agr?e monsieur,l'expression de mes sentiments distingu?es.


N.B: 
Nom&Pr?nom :SBAI YOUNESS
Adresse : PTT CENTRE DE TAOUNATE TAOUNATE 34000 MAROC


__________________________________________________
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http://mail.voila.fr






From reb at taco.com  Mon Mar 26 19:15:20 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:15:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help rebuilding archives...
In-Reply-To: <GATDKM$II_3pBSZz6mhG88psiXpAelhjIn5tv6RbIyZLqw4iIin@voila.
 fr>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010326120602.02b49ec0@taco.com>

Hi!

I have a list that has to have its archives rebuilt. The problem is that
the first two years of archives do not exist in mbox format, as someone
trimmed the mbox file way back when. This portion of the archives only
exists in the regular text files, that the Mailman archiver created.

I tried appending those two years of files together and changing the initial
"From user at foo.bar" to "^N^NFrom user at foo.bar" to get Mailman to see
the files as mbox format files. My local unix mail program (mailx) sees
the file as having 2200 or so messages for these two years, but the
archiver does not. It only sees two messages in total from it.

When I concatenated the old file with the current mbox file (the old
archives first ;-) It sees the two messages from the first part of the
file and then correctly processes the current mbox part.

How can I either a) persuade the archiver to properly handle these
messages or b) modify the pipermail.pck file to have it see these
two years worth of archives and properly update the index file.

We are using Mailman 2.0b2. While I want to upgrade to 2.03, I'd
rather not screw up too much at once.

Any advice would be appreciated.

reb




From cognac at toppoint.de  Mon Mar 26 19:19:59 2001
From: cognac at toppoint.de (Andreas Czerniak)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:19:59 +0200
Subject: Change of Server of lists -- Re: [Mailman-Users] Cambio de Servidor
 de listas
In-Reply-To: <OF92DDA801.1C28E17D-ONC1256A18.00432F9E@antena3tv.es>
Message-ID: <37570000.985627199@czerny>

Here are the translated version from altavista.com:

In English:

             Hello. We want to change all the subject of the
             server lists, is to say of physical machine, but we
             want to do it with the users directly, not to have to
             put them again. Knows somebody like? Thank you
             very much.

right ?

Andreas.

-- On 26.03.2001 18:31:46 +0200 efernandezor at antena3tv.es wrote:

>
> Hola.
>
> Queremos cambiar todo el tema de las listas de servidor, es decir de
> m?quina f?sica, pero queremos hacerlo con los usuarios directamente, no
> tener que meterlos otra vez.
>
> Sabe alguien como ??
>
> Muchas Gracias.
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From bosco at physics.utoronto.ca  Mon Mar 26 19:33:58 2001
From: bosco at physics.utoronto.ca (Bosco Tsang)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:33:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to restrict list posting from within domain
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326123136.00adbd20@helios>

I am new to the administration of an existing mailman list server ...

I am wonder if it is possible to set it so that posting is only allow 
within the same domain? I can only found the restrict by list member option 
which seems not good enough. Any idea?

Bosco.

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Tel: (416)978-3818  Fax:(416)978-8221
Email: bosco at physics.utoronto.ca (or bosco.tsang at utoronto.ca)
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From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Mon Mar 26 19:33:25 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:25 -0800
Subject: More spam  :-(    Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to
  receive information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <200103260205.f2Q1xlck017414@sm8.texas.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 06:02 PM 3/25/01, hermag at excite.com wrote:

>Hello!
>
>Would you like to know how to register your pet online for free?

No, but I'd like to know what it takes to get this list configured so it 
stops allowing spammers to post to it.

It shouldn't be that hard for those who write mailing list software to 
program and configure their own "user's list" to only accept posts that are 
either A) from subscribers or B) have the list product (mailman) mentioned 
somewhere in the body of the post.

The fact that this hasn't been done makes the product in question (mailman) 
look less attractive to those who are considering using it...

jc




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Mar 26 19:46:29 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:46:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: More spam  :-(
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <3ABF8075.D93CBC07@pcraft.com>

JC Dill wrote:

> It shouldn't be that hard for those who write mailing list software to
> program and configure their own "user's list" to only accept posts that are
> either A) from subscribers or B) have the list product (mailman) mentioned
> somewhere in the body of the post.

    a) There are several automated bots that do subscriptions through a variety
of list servers.  Nothing will stop a post from coming through if that account
is subscribed.
    b) It is, in the footer and the subject tag

    AMK4

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From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Mon Mar 26 20:08:40 2001
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:08:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digests en masse
Message-ID: <15039.34216.178214.286170@sparkle.daimi.au.dk>



We've had a major problem with a digest which was sent in hundreds 
of copies; it started yesterday, sunday, at noon (when digests are 
being mailed). I found the digest 'stuck' in qfiles and, after removing 
it, along with all postings with the digest inside, it finally looked 
like the situation was back to normal.

My question is: what could cause this problem in the first place?
The first of (many) error messages shows:

Mar 25 12:01:01 2001 (10003) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman20/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pip
eline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman20/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 87, in process
    status = fp.close()
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

We're running Mailman 2.0.3, postfix_pl13-2 on redHat 6.2.

Regards
Kaja




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Mar 26 20:14:01 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:14:01 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free? 
In-Reply-To: Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com> 
   of "Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:25 PST." <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
Message-ID: <14363.985630441@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:33:25 -0800 
JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> wrote:

> The fact that this hasn't been done makes the product in question
> (mailman) look less attractive to those who are considering using
> it...

There is a logn standing tradition for support lists for products to
not be closed to non-subscribers.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Mar 26 20:34:07 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:34:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to restrict list posting from within domain
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326123136.00adbd20@helios>; from bosco@physics.utoronto.ca on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 12:33:58PM -0500
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010326123136.00adbd20@helios>
Message-ID: <20010326103407.L8241@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 12:33:58PM -0500, Bosco Tsang wrote:
> I am new to the administration of an existing mailman list server ...
> 
> I am wonder if it is possible to set it so that posting is only allow 
> within the same domain? I can only found the restrict by list member option 
> which seems not good enough. Any idea?

Not really, you have to use an external program like procmail to do that.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Mar 26 20:40:20 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:40:20 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to
	receive information on registering your pet online for free? 
In-Reply-To: <14363.985630441@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <B6E4CD14.74EB%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 3/26/01 10:14 AM, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:

> There is a logn standing tradition for support lists for products to
> not be closed to non-subscribers.

And ther's a long-standing tradition that this tradition causes people like
me to give up in disgust and leave, and when enough people leave, all you
have left are the spammers.



-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

I wish I could say your enthusiasm was contagious...




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Mon Mar 26 21:26:19 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:26:19 -0800
Subject: More spam  :-(    Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like toreceive 
 information on registering your pet online for free?
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <3ABF97DB.21CBF8B9@west.sun.com>


JC Dill wrote:
> 
> On 06:02 PM 3/25/01, hermag at excite.com wrote:
> 
> >Hello!
> >
> >Would you like to know how to register your pet online for free?
> 
> No, but I'd like to know what it takes to get this list configured so it
> stops allowing spammers to post to it.

Aren't there more important wars to fight?

I'd estimate I get one spam every three weeks from mailman-users.  I must
get one every two minutes from everywhere else.

> It shouldn't be that hard for those who write mailing list software to
> program and configure their own "user's list" to only accept posts that are
> either A) from subscribers or B) have the list product (mailman) mentioned
> somewhere in the body of the post.
> 
> The fact that this hasn't been done makes the product in question (mailman)
> look less attractive to those who are considering using it...

If you can reason from "the way this particular list is administered" to 
"the capabilities for administration", you're not reasoning correctly.



From aleksw at ameritech.net  Mon Mar 26 21:50:00 2001
From: aleksw at ameritech.net (Aleksandra Witkowska)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:50:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please help :)
Message-ID: <NEBBKIGFILOHKMDOPKJLAEFECCAA.aleksw@ameritech.net>

Dear List Users/Admins,

I'm in a bit of a quandary as to how to solve a problem regarding a list
admin tool. I'm working for a non-for-profit technology community trying to
help a team build a user-friendly admin tool for signing up for our
community.

We're trying to make a tool that tracks people who sign up and gives them a
login as well as signs them up to a list or two (at their discretion of
course :)

Now, I am not a Unix-program, but I have administered Mailman lists through
the web-interface admin tools. I would like to know a few things if
possible.

First off, we're sending commands to the list via-e-mail when a person
registers, but we've run into a couple serious hitches.

1.)Is there were a way to set nomail at the same time as subscription in the
same e-mail? Or another way to do this? For example (in the e-mail body to
the list):
 subscribe myPassWd nomail

I know the body above _doesn't_ work :(, but I have some hope for a
variation, since there IS the "subscribe myPassWd digest" possibility, which
means that Mailman CAN set SOME options during subscription.  Perhaps there
is some way the admin can customize the list that I am unaware of... if so,
how?

2.)Can a request email include ANY kind of notice to the list admin?  Like a
"comments" line?
subscribe myPassWd
    // set this person to nomail when approving

This way the admin goes in and sets the option if mailman can't.

I apologize if these are very basic questions, but I'm not a true list admin
(but a web programmer here :)

Thanks in advance for any light on this issue. If you can even point me to
some references/sources on this subject that would help too,

Aleksandra
aleksw at ameritech.net




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Mon Mar 26 22:34:07 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:34:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: More spam  :-(
In-Reply-To: <3ABF8075.D93CBC07@pcraft.com>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326103333.03af9d20@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 09:46 AM 3/26/01, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
 >JC Dill wrote:
 >
 >> It shouldn't be that hard for those who write mailing list software to
 >> program and configure their own "user's list" to only accept posts that are
 >> either A) from subscribers or B) have the list product (mailman) mentioned
 >> somewhere in the body of the post.
 >
 >    a) There are several automated bots that do subscriptions through a 
variety
 >of list servers.  Nothing will stop a post from coming through if that 
account
 >is subscribed.

In 3 years of list administration, including several large and active 
lists, I have *yet* to have a spammer subscribe (bot or no) to a list in 
order to send spam to it.  Theoretically it is possible, but in practice I 
have yet to see it done.  Do you have any evidence that this is what is 
actually happening in this case?

 >    b) It is, in the footer and the subject tag

First, any given post to the list should be matched against the list 
subscriber role.  If the post is from a subscriber, post it.  If the post 
is from a non-subscriber, subject content filtering (such as checking to 
see if the message mentions "mailman") should happen before the post is 
approved (automatically or manually) for being distributed to the list.  If 
a footer or list subject tag are added, that should happen after the post 
is approved for being distributed to the list.  So the footer and subject 
tag should have no impact on content filtering to determine if a 
non-subscriber post should be distributed to the list.

jc





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Mar 26 23:13:19 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:13:19 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
   of "Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:40:20 PST." <B6E4CD14.74EB%chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
References: <B6E4CD14.74EB%chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
Message-ID: <5774.985641199@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:40:20 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> On 3/26/01 10:14 AM, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
>> There is a logn standing tradition for support lists for products
>> to not be closed to non-subscribers.

> And ther's a long-standing tradition that this tradition causes
> people like me to give up in disgust and leave, and when enough
> people leave, all you have left are the spammers.

Umm, you'll notice that I didn't try and justify the tradition, just
observed its presence and apparent application to this instance.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dan at ssc.com  Mon Mar 26 23:48:52 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:48:52 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <5774.985641199@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 01:13:19PM -0800
References: <B6E4CD14.74EB%chuqui@plaidworks.com> <chuqui@plaidworks.com> <5774.985641199@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20010326134852.A12703@ssc.com>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 01:13:19PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:40:20 -0800 
> Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 3/26/01 10:14 AM, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
> >> There is a logn standing tradition for support lists for products
> >> to not be closed to non-subscribers.
> 
> > And ther's a long-standing tradition that this tradition causes
> > people like me to give up in disgust and leave, and when enough
> > people leave, all you have left are the spammers.
> 
> Umm, you'll notice that I didn't try and justify the tradition, just
> observed its presence and apparent application to this instance.

There's a middle ground.

For reasons of our own, we keep some of our lists open to posts
by non-subscribers.

A simple procmail front-end looks for "To:" or "Cc:" headers
mentioning the list.  Since most spamware is too stupid to
put these in, or else it is using third-party relay to 10,000
hapless victims, so a custom "To:" or "Cc:" is out of the
question, this excludes quite a bit of spam with one simple rule.

Mix in an RBL list or two, you're down to something not too bad,
even for an open-post mailing list.

Legitimate list mail that's been "Bcc:"ed or just forwarded
verbatim ("bounce" from mutt or elm) gets culled out, but 
the regulars get used to that, and of course if there are one
or two Weighty List Members who just can't manage that, they
can be exempted in the procmail rules.

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From mrbill at mrbill.net  Tue Mar 27 00:05:08 2001
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:05:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner.lock file date in future?
Message-ID: <20010326160508.G25338@mrbill.net>

This is just strange, but seems to be operating fine:

root at ohno:~> su - mailman
bash-2.03$ cd locks
bash-2.03$ ls -al
total 8
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar 26 16:01 .
drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman      512 Mar 23 10:21 ..
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       59 Mar 27  2001 qrunner.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       59 Mar 27  2001 qrunner.lock.ohno.mrbill.net.23449
bash-2.03$ date
Mon Mar 26 16:03:57 CST 2001

qrunner.lock was created *tomorrow* ?  

This happens even if I manually delete the lockfile.

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX



From alex at phred.org  Tue Mar 27 00:40:00 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:40:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive
 information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <20010326134852.A12703@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103261438560.52095-100000@phred.org>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Dan Wilder wrote:
> There's a middle ground.
> 
> For reasons of our own, we keep some of our lists open to posts
> by non-subscribers.
> 
> A simple procmail front-end looks for "To:" or "Cc:" headers
> mentioning the list.  Since most spamware is too stupid to
> put these in, or else it is using third-party relay to 10,000
> hapless victims, so a custom "To:" or "Cc:" is out of the
> question, this excludes quite a bit of spam with one simple rule.

Mailman supports this configuration out of the box, and in fact it is
the default.  I ran with it on my lists for quite a while, but got
sick at directly targetted SPAM (one which had a valid To or Cc) going
to my lists and I made them closed.

alex




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Mar 27 01:17:27 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:17:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner.lock file date in future?
Message-ID: <200103262315.PAA01764@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> root at ohno:~> su - mailman
> bash-2.03$ cd locks
> bash-2.03$ ls -al
> total 8
> drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      512 Mar 26 16:01 .
> drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman      512 Mar 23 10:21 ..
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       59 Mar 27  2001 qrunner.lock
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       59 Mar 27  2001 
qrunner.lock.ohno.mrbill.net.23449
> bash-2.03$ date
> Mon Mar 26 16:03:57 CST 2001
> 
> qrunner.lock was created *tomorrow* ?  

Yes.  

    def __touch(self, filename=None):
        t = time.time() + self.__lifetime
        try:
            # TBD: We probably don't need to modify atime, but this is easier.
            os.utime(filename or self.__tmpfname, (t, t))
        except OSError, e:
            if e.errno <> errno.ENOENT: raise

It's a method for determining if a lock is likely to be stale,
and therefore breakable.




From barry at digicool.com  Tue Mar 27 01:12:54 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:12:54 -0500
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free? 
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
	<14363.985630441@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <15039.52470.967399.437633@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> writes:

    JCL> There is a logn standing tradition for support lists for
    JCL> products to not be closed to non-subscribers.

There are a couple of issues to consider, some technical, some not.

First, I think there /is/ a use for open-posting lists like
mailman-users which do not limit postings just from members.  This is
a policy decision and if I change it, then I know we will lose newbies
because of the overhead.  I definitely don't want to lose guys like
Chuq from this list, but there's a trade-off and I figure Chuq knows
how to filter out the spam on his end (or just ignore it).  Limiting
posts to members /might/ make sense for mailman-developers though.

Second, while Mailman does spam detection, spammers have mutated and
are making their way around the defenses.  Easy stuff like catching
Bcc:'s and the like, we already do.  How do we improve the spam
detection in Mailman next?  (this is not a question mailman-users need
discuss -- take it to mailman-developers please!).

Third, there are certain spam filters that the MTA can apply that
should catch more stuff.  I thought that the Exim installation on
{python,zope}.org was all hooked up to RBL, etc., but since spam is
getting through, it may not be working.  I'm hoping Ethan, our MTA
administrator can give more information here.

>>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> writes:

    DM> I'd estimate I get one spam every three weeks from
    DM> mailman-users.  I must get one every two minutes from
    DM> everywhere else.

I'm also in approximately the same category (lots more spam from
elsewhere than mailing lists).  It's annoying but I just hit `d' and
ignore it.  That's not to say we can't or shouldn't improve the
situation on both the MTA and MLM sides.  But keeping mailman-users
open for posting from all is still the right decision I believe.

-Barry



From dan at ssc.com  Tue Mar 27 01:17:05 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:17:05 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103261438560.52095-100000@phred.org>; from alex@phred.org on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 02:40:00PM -0800
References: <20010326134852.A12703@ssc.com> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103261438560.52095-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <20010326151705.A13024@ssc.com>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 02:40:00PM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Dan Wilder wrote:
> > There's a middle ground.
> > 
> > For reasons of our own, we keep some of our lists open to posts
> > by non-subscribers.
> > 
> > A simple procmail front-end looks for "To:" or "Cc:" headers
> > mentioning the list.  Since most spamware is too stupid to
> > put these in, or else it is using third-party relay to 10,000
> > hapless victims, so a custom "To:" or "Cc:" is out of the
> > question, this excludes quite a bit of spam with one simple rule.
> 
> Mailman supports this configuration out of the box, and in fact it is
> the default.  I ran with it on my lists for quite a while, but got
> sick at directly targetted SPAM (one which had a valid To or Cc) going
> to my lists and I made them closed.

Which is why we only use such an arrangement for a few of our lists.
Where it makes sense.  No high-volume lists.

In fact, the lists in question happen to be tech support lists.  

The names of the lists are published, but the only subscribers are 
tech support folks.  Anybody can post.  The lists use a "Reply-To:" 
poster, and subscribers use "group" reply to make sure the follow-up 
gets both to the original poster and to the list.

One such list is <tag at ssc.com>.  It accepts Linux tech support
questions.  The proceedings of the list are summarized by an editor 
and published in the on-line magazine Linux Gazette, 
http://www.linuxgazette.com.

I wasn't aware of the out-of-box support for high-grading incoming
mail by its headers.  Time to look once again at upgrading our twenty 
or so majordomo lists to mailman.

-- 
Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com> 



From jeffr at odeon.net  Tue Mar 27 01:32:54 2001
From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr at odeon.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:32:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thanks for Mailman - Was Re: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users]
 Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for
 free?
In-Reply-To: <20010326151705.A13024@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103261726510.24010-100000@odeon.net>

I just converted from majordomo to mailman, and I'm a much happier admin
now because of it.  Postfix+Cyrus+webmail+Mailman fits my needs perfectly
and so far has been much easier to set up and manage than the previous
setup I was using (sendmail+imap+majordomo+majorcool+webmail).

My congratulations and thanks for such a robust mailing list product.

Jeff
jeffr at odeon.net

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Dan Wilder wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 02:40:00PM -0800, alex wetmore wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Dan Wilder wrote:
> > > There's a middle ground.
> > > 
> > > For reasons of our own, we keep some of our lists open to posts
> > > by non-subscribers.
> > > 
> > > A simple procmail front-end looks for "To:" or "Cc:" headers
> > > mentioning the list.  Since most spamware is too stupid to
> > > put these in, or else it is using third-party relay to 10,000
> > > hapless victims, so a custom "To:" or "Cc:" is out of the
> > > question, this excludes quite a bit of spam with one simple rule.
> > 
> > Mailman supports this configuration out of the box, and in fact it is
> > the default.  I ran with it on my lists for quite a while, but got
> > sick at directly targetted SPAM (one which had a valid To or Cc) going
> > to my lists and I made them closed.
> 
> Which is why we only use such an arrangement for a few of our lists.
> Where it makes sense.  No high-volume lists.
> 
> In fact, the lists in question happen to be tech support lists.  
> 
> The names of the lists are published, but the only subscribers are 
> tech support folks.  Anybody can post.  The lists use a "Reply-To:" 
> poster, and subscribers use "group" reply to make sure the follow-up 
> gets both to the original poster and to the list.
> 
> One such list is <tag at ssc.com>.  It accepts Linux tech support
> questions.  The proceedings of the list are summarized by an editor 
> and published in the on-line magazine Linux Gazette, 
> http://www.linuxgazette.com.
> 
> I wasn't aware of the out-of-box support for high-grading incoming
> mail by its headers.  Time to look once again at upgrading our twenty 
> or so majordomo lists to mailman.
> 
> 




From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Mar 27 02:07:03 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:07:03 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <15039.52470.967399.437633@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@digicool.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 06:12:54PM -0500
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> <14363.985630441@kanga.nu> <15039.52470.967399.437633@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010326160702.S8241@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 06:12:54PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Third, there are certain spam filters that the MTA can apply that
> should catch more stuff.  I thought that the Exim installation on
> {python,zope}.org was all hooked up to RBL, etc., but since spam is
> getting through, it may not be working.  I'm hoping Ethan, our MTA
> administrator can give more information here.

This, when use in exim, will cut down on a lot of spam (used on sf.net):
(you need exim 3.2x for sender_verify_hosts_callback)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Blackhole lists
rbl_domains = dialups.mail-abuse.org/reject : relays.mail-abuse.org/reject : bla
ckholes.mail-abuse.org/reject

# Refuse senders with bad envelope senders
sender_verify = true
sender_verify_reject = true

# Let's not verify anything coming from mailman
sender_verify_hosts = !127.0.0.1/8:0.0.0.0/0
receiver_verify_hosts = !127.0.0.1/8:0.0.0.0/0

# Enabling this would accept a bad envelope sender if the header sender is ok
# sender_verify_fixup = true

# Even better: refuse senders that do not exist (by asking the remote mail
# server). This adds a little load, but it's awesome -- Marc
sender_verify_hosts_callback = !127.0.0.1:!10.0.0.0/8:!*.sourceforge.net:/etc/mail/checksender/badsendinghosts:*
sender_verify_callback_domains = !sourceforge.net:!users.sourceforge.net:/etc/ma
il/checksender/baddomains:*
# Wait up to 90s for the remote mail server to answer
sender_verify_callback_timeout = 90s


# And if you are a true BOFH:
# Refuse messages with bad headers
headers_check_syntax = true
headers_sender_verify = true
headers_checks_fail = true
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Tue Mar 27 02:11:02 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:11:02 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to
  receive information on registering your pet online for free? 
In-Reply-To: <15039.52470.967399.437633@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
 <14363.985630441@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326152920.02ffbdd0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 03:12 PM 3/26/01, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
 >
 >>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> writes:
 >
 >    JCL> There is a logn standing tradition for support lists for
 >    JCL> products to not be closed to non-subscribers.
 >
 >There are a couple of issues to consider, some technical, some not.
 >
 >First, I think there /is/ a use for open-posting lists like
 >mailman-users which do not limit postings just from members.  This is
 >a policy decision and if I change it, then I know we will lose newbies
 >because of the overhead.

It sounds as if you are ignoring or overlooking my proposed solution which 
continues to let non-subscriber posts go through to the list unmoderated, 
when they contain keyword(s) indicative of an on-topic non-spam 
post.  Further, even if a post goes to the moderator, that doesn't mean it 
can't be approved and sent on to the list, all you have introduced is a 
slight delay.  This seems an acceptable tradeoff for avoiding the spam.  If 
someone doesn't want their post held up by a moderation process, they 
should subscribe, or use the appropriate keyword.

I fail to see how this would hurt newbies, or cause any significant 
overhead (beyond software development of what will be a very useful feature 
:-).

 >I definitely don't want to lose guys like
 >Chuq from this list, but there's a trade-off and I figure Chuq knows
 >how to filter out the spam on his end (or just ignore it).  Limiting
 >posts to members /might/ make sense for mailman-developers though.
 >
 >Second, while Mailman does spam detection, spammers have mutated and
 >are making their way around the defenses.  Easy stuff like catching
 >Bcc:'s and the like, we already do.  How do we improve the spam
 >detection in Mailman next?

Institute simple and easy content filtering.  If a non-subscriber post is a 
legitimate post about mailman, it is most likely to say "mailman" somewhere 
in the subject or body of the post (and even more likely when you tell them 
to specifically do so, when you give them the list address).  If so, allow 
it to go to the list, if not, bounce for moderation.  False positives will 
approach zero (I have a folder with 400 recent spams in it, none have 
"mailman" in the body), false negatives will be a small, but probably 
insignificant number.  For instance, some of the recent posts that weren't 
in English would have bounced (to the moderator(s)), but then again most 
subscribers to this list are unable to reply to those posts anyway.

Look at it another way - How do these non-subscribers find this list 
address in the first place?  Where they find the list address, note that 
the list has instituted an anti-spam measure and so non-subscriber posts to 
the list that fail to say "mailman" in the body of the message may be held 
for manual approval by the moderators rather than be immediately 
distributed to the list.  Since we already assume that those who really 
need to post (without first being subscribed) have found the list address 
through that source, and understand what they get when they post here, it's 
not a big stretch to also assume that if it's important to them to have 
their post *immediately* sent to the list membership (without waiting for 
it to be approved by a moderator), they will heed that simple notice.  Not 
to mention that most non-subscriber posts will automatically heed this 
notice anyway, due to the nature of the topic.

 >Third, there are certain spam filters that the MTA can apply that
 >should catch more stuff.  I thought that the Exim installation on
 >{python,zope}.org was all hooked up to RBL, etc., but since spam is
 >getting through, it may not be working.  I'm hoping Ethan, our MTA
 >administrator can give more information here.

IMHO, this is something that should be handled by the mailing list software 
itself, and thus the per-list "acceptable keyword" configuration would 
exist in the mailing list software config files for each list (alongside 
all the other per-list configuration settings).  Why make it difficult by 
involving the MTA?  That makes this task especially difficult for those who 
don't control the MTA, but do have control of their individual list config 
settings (such as when an ISP hosts the mailing list software and supplies 
list hosting services to their customer).

jc




From rpavonar at cisco.com  Tue Mar 27 02:30:23 2001
From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:30:23 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo+mhonarc to Mailman+mhonarc
Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20010327093022.00be9c80@localhost>

Where can I find information about the "hooks" for using mhonarc with Mailman?

We've been using majordomo+mhonarc, and I'd like to the archives to 
continue where they left off. If anyone has already done this, can you give 
me some ideas of what the procedure is?

 From what I've gathered so far, it's no longer possible to archive each 
message as it arrives. Instead, it has to be done periodically with a cron 
job. Is that right?

Thanks,

Rich 




From bob at nleaudio.com  Tue Mar 27 03:05:06 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Procmail recipies
References: <E14hfgY-000381-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3ABFE742.7B954730@nleaudio.com>

Hello,

I have a couple users on one of my lists that are not receiving any mail.  After doing a bunch of debugging, I have found that indeed the mail is getting to the destination server, but it looks like the destination server has a "catch-all" account that gets the mail, then has a procmail recipie that looks at the "To: " field, and forwards the message on to the appropriate person.

THe problem is that Mailman puts the list address in the "To: " field, and thus the message fails the procmail script.  What is the work-around for this situation?  I suspect blind CCs to the person would also fail - are there other situations where this configuration is poor?

Bob



From smackme at hardwaregroup.com  Tue Mar 27 03:35:11 2001
From: smackme at hardwaregroup.com (Jim Edwards)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:35:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trim headers
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326203421.00dbb100@hardwaregroup.com>

I just went to the latest mailman on a new server from1.02 on a different 
server. Where are all the headers come from? More importantly, where can I 
trim them?

IE:
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

trimmed to just

List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>


ps Sorry about that Bob, should have went to the list

Jim Edwards




From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Mar 27 05:38:38 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:38:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoresponder
Message-ID: <20010326193838.X8241@magic.merlins.org>

I setup the autoresponder for a list "thank you for submitting post, we will
review it, etc, etc..."

I have two problems with that.

1) The user gets one autoreply when the message hits the list and an
   approval message is fired off to the list admin, and then he/she gets
   a second autoreply when the message is approved

2) The subject says 'Auto-response for your message to "value of To: field"'
   when I'd like that to be configurable, or say 'your message to
   'listname'" (the To: field could be an alias of the list, and I'd like to
   see the real list name in there instead).
   I can probably patch mailman do to that though.

Any ideas about #1 ?

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From cht at ccil.org  Tue Mar 27 05:48:49 2001
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:48:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoresponder
In-Reply-To: <20010326193838.X8241@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103262247090.16624-100000@mercury.ccil.org>

Hi Marc,

Are you suggesting that some day we gol ouit and get a Big Mic?  

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> Marc
> -- 
> Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
>   
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:03:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] law
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From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Tue Mar 27 10:43:44 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:43:44 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo+mhonarc to Mailman+mhonarc
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2-J.20010327093022.00be9c80@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103271032280.1211-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

I can see two (simples) solutions :
 - use pipermail (included in mailman distribution) instead of mhonarc.
   Recent threads in this list explained how to get old mailboxes in
    pipermail.
 - create an alias "mhonarc-<mylist>@my.domain.com" on your server,
    make it subscribed to your list ... and desactivate the "Archival
    Option" in mailman.

Phil.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Richard M. Pavonarius wrote:

> Where can I find information about the "hooks" for using mhonarc with Mailman?
>
> We've been using majordomo+mhonarc, and I'd like to the archives to
> continue where they left off. If anyone has already done this, can you give
> me some ideas of what the procedure is?
>
>  From what I've gathered so far, it's no longer possible to archive each
> message as it arrives. Instead, it has to be done periodically with a cron
> job. Is that right?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From rpavonar at cisco.com  Tue Mar 27 11:21:31 2001
From: rpavonar at cisco.com (Richard M. Pavonarius)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:21:31 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching the mailman-users archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103271032280.1211-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp
 .com>
References: <4.3.2-J.20010327093022.00be9c80@localhost>
Message-ID: <4.3.2-J.20010327181458.00bef6d0@localhost>

>    Recent threads in this list explained how to get old mailboxes in
>     pipermail.

I'd much rather search old posts instead of writing new ones, but the 
search interface of this list doesn't seem to work as advertised.

"Archives of this list are searchable by using the general Python.Org 
search page (hint: select SIG archives, but turn off ftp, website, and starship)"

There is no checkbox for SIG archives. If I uncheck ftp, website, and 
starship, it thinks I'm obviously stupid and turns them all back on again 
before spewing out the search results.

BTW, from the dates on some of the Mailman-Users Archives (2024-April, 
etc.), it looks like pipermail relies on the time setting of the sender's 
machine instead of the server's.

Rich 




From t.busse at ifu.com  Tue Mar 27 14:33:29 2001
From: t.busse at ifu.com (Thorsten Busse)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:33:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: Could not acquire qrunner lock
Message-ID: <001b01c0b6ba$22883ce0$0100a8c0@hosty>

Hi,

surprisingly I get the following message in my qrunner-log since some hours:

Mar 27 10:42:04 2001 (17278) Could not acquire qrunner lock

Since then mailman does not deliver mails postet to the administrated lists.
Up to then there were no problems?! Mailman is running on a linux-system,
kernel 2.2.14.

I don't know what to do, any clue or hint is very welcome! Many thanks in
advance...

Cheers, Thorsten Busse





From wblogan at newcreature.org  Tue Mar 27 18:55:18 2001
From: wblogan at newcreature.org (Bill Logan)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only lists
Message-ID: <20010327115518.A6690@mach1.log.cabin>

Greetings. I could not find the answer to my question in the FAQ
or other documentation on the site. I beg your indulgence if I
have overlooked the answer in my haste to get already existing
lists configured on a new host.

Is it possible to create announce-only lists? If so, how do I do
it?

TIA,
Bill Logan



From aleksw at ameritech.net  Tue Mar 27 19:23:40 2001
From: aleksw at ameritech.net (Aleksandra Witkowska)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:23:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only lists
In-Reply-To: <20010327115518.A6690@mach1.log.cabin>
Message-ID: <NEBBKIGFILOHKMDOPKJLOEGCCCAA.aleksw@ameritech.net>

Yes, it is very possible -- I run one myself. Just limit the postings to key
e-mails, and not subscribers in the options pages. The restricted posting
access will make it "announce only."

THE QUESTION:
Is it possible to create announce-only lists? If so, how do I do
it?




From leif at neland.dk  Tue Mar 27 20:04:28 2001
From: leif at neland.dk (Leif Neland)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:04:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Skipping part of bounced adress (.AVP)
Message-ID: <017701c0b6e8$5e293280$6405a8c0@neland.dk>

We're using the Avpkeeper virusscanner.

Mail addressed to user at some.dom comes back as user at some.dom.AVP not found, when it bounces.

Is there a regular expression somewhere I can tweak to make mailman ignore the .AVP?

Leif




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Mar 27 22:12:48 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:12:48 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like toreceive 
 information on registering your pet online for free?
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
	 <14363.985630441@kanga.nu> <5.0.0.25.2.20010326152920.02ffbdd0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <3AC0F440.AE5C8C97@west.sun.com>


JC Dill wrote:

> It sounds as if you are ignoring or overlooking my proposed solution which
> continues to let non-subscriber posts go through to the list unmoderated,
> when they contain keyword(s) indicative of an on-topic non-spam
> post.  

I would estimate that 25% of my posts contain any keyword you might have on
your list.  Good luck generating any sort of useful list.

> Further, even if a post goes to the moderator, that doesn't mean it
> can't be approved and sent on to the list, all you have introduced is a
> slight delay. 

Who is it that's providing this free moderation service?  You?

> This seems an acceptable tradeoff for avoiding the spam.  If
> someone doesn't want their post held up by a moderation process, they
> should subscribe, or use the appropriate keyword.
> 
> I fail to see how this would hurt newbies, or cause any significant
> overhead (beyond software development of what will be a very useful feature
> :-).

It's equally obvious to me that it would not serve the purpose you intend,
and it's pretty obvious to me that it's a non-problem, in the Grand
Scheme.  Anti-spam measures are apparently addictive; no one can eat
just one.



From rsr at inorganic.org  Tue Mar 27 22:34:20 2001
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:34:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Proper" Handling of attachments
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0103271232280.7669-100000@fold>

I'm using Mailman 1.1.  

In 1.1, in archives, attachment handling is non-existent.  Is it at all
better in later version?  I'd love some sort of clickable link to the files
attached rather than simply having the Mime-encoded text in the body of the
message ...

-roy




From leif at neland.dk  Tue Mar 27 22:39:08 2001
From: leif at neland.dk (Leif Neland)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:39:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong sender host name.
Message-ID: <02a201c0b6fd$f92b00a0$6405a8c0@neland.dk>

I'm running mailman on the server lists.our.dom; mailman is configured to use this name.

However, while lists.our.dom resolves to this ip, this ip resolves back to ns2.our.dom, and messages go out as from some-list at ns2.our.dom

I guess this is really a sendmail problem.
Is "nocanonify" the right option to avoid this?

Leif
 



From jcdill at vo.cnchost.com  Tue Mar 27 22:40:20 2001
From: jcdill at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:40:20 -0800
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like
  toreceive  information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <3AC0F440.AE5C8C97@west.sun.com>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
 <14363.985630441@kanga.nu>
 <5.0.0.25.2.20010326152920.02ffbdd0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010327123137.02f54990@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 12:12 PM 3/27/01, Dan Mick wrote:
 >
 >
 >JC Dill wrote:
 >
 >> It sounds as if you are ignoring or overlooking my proposed solution which
 >> continues to let non-subscriber posts go through to the list unmoderated,
 >> when they contain keyword(s) indicative of an on-topic non-spam
 >> post.
 >
 >I would estimate that 25% of my posts contain any keyword you might have on
 >your list.  Good luck generating any sort of useful list.

You are a subscriber.  As such, your posts get passed through to the list 
before any keyword check would come into play.

 >> Further, even if a post goes to the moderator, that doesn't mean it
 >> can't be approved and sent on to the list, all you have introduced is a
 >> slight delay.
 >
 >Who is it that's providing this free moderation service?  You?

I'd much rather have to moderate and approve a few posts now and then than 
have the spam get through to hundreds of subscribers.  It's a task I've 
taken on for several other lists already.  It's part of doing my part to 
make the 'Net work.

 >> This seems an acceptable tradeoff for avoiding the spam.  If
 >> someone doesn't want their post held up by a moderation process, they
 >> should subscribe, or use the appropriate keyword.
 >>
 >> I fail to see how this would hurt newbies, or cause any significant
 >> overhead (beyond software development of what will be a very useful feature
 >> :-).
 >
 >It's equally obvious to me that it would not serve the purpose you intend,


The keyword filter software would serve the purpose intended if implemented 
as I suggested (specifically the part about mentioning, everywhere you give 
out the list submission address, that non-subscriber posts that fail to use 
the keyword might be held for moderation ).

Times change.  There once was a time when every mail server on the 'Net was 
an open relay and all was good.  Then the green card spam hit and nothing 
has been the same since.  There once was a time when every mailing list on 
the 'Net was hosted at MIT, via an alias, and to add yourself to a list you 
went and edited the alias file yourself.  Today we have mailing list 
servers because that method didn't scale.  There once was a time when you 
could run an open list and not worry about the results when non-subscribers 
posted to the list.  I believe that this too needs to change, now or very 
soon.  So I'm looking at how it can be changed to continue to fulfill the 
needs that are met with the current implementation, without causing undue 
problems associated with the change.

 >and it's pretty obvious to me that it's a non-problem, in the Grand
 >Scheme.  Anti-spam measures are apparently addictive; no one can eat
 >just one.

I subscribe to the theory that one is either a part of the problem or a 
part of the solution.  I believe that spam is an ever increasing 
problem.  Thinking about how to keep spam away from those who don't want to 
receive it (pretty much everyone) and thinking about how to implement said 
solutions in a way that causes the fewest inconveniences to everyone else, 
is part of how I work to be part of the solution.

jc




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Tue Mar 27 22:54:40 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong sender host name.
In-Reply-To: <02a201c0b6fd$f92b00a0$6405a8c0@neland.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0103271254200.28222-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Leif Neland wrote:
> I guess this is really a sendmail problem.
> Is "nocanonify" the right option to avoid this?

The rightest way is to use A records instead of CNAMEs.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From booboo11 at stargate.net  Wed Mar 28 02:52:35 2001
From: booboo11 at stargate.net (booboo11)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:52:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new member ahve a 92 100CS FWD
Message-ID: <000a01c0b721$65f172a0$af4a97d8@d8w4n0>

hello,to everyone in audiland,my name is Robert,i love audis,
and the peole who drive them i spent the last 3 days reading every archive thread by thread,its very interesting,and informative. i have some questions of my own i would like to
have your input on.first off, i own a 92 CS100FWD w/ aah
engine manufactured july of 92.I do have the famous engine
chatter that gets quieter when at full op. temp. I will live w/ this for now the other problem,however,i would like to fix asap.my electronic cc will not adjust heat temps. from 63F
thru HI setting is the same HOT!!!! this was ok thru winter but now spring is here{i hope}and i would like to keep it at 72F or so i did the odb and {2}error codes flash, 8.5 and 15.1i know this has to do w/ air flap but dont know where it is or what i can attempt to fix it HELP!!!your suggestions will be greatly appreciated i dont have bentleys,cant afford them thanks
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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Mar 28 04:02:06 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:32:06 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email based administration
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102052340100.612-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103280729240.2752-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 5, 2001 at 23:47, Satya wrote:

>http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

The email-based unsubscription via confirmation (and without
passwords) wrapper thingy is updated. Now with more bugfixes and more
bugs!

Mailman core developers, please tell me if this is still required.
Will mailman ever have an optional confirmation-based method instead
of password-based, as it does now?

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
SCSI: System Can't See it





From reb at taco.com  Wed Mar 28 03:55:10 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help rebuilding archives...
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010326120602.02b49ec0@taco.com>
References: <GATDKM$II_3pBSZz6mhG88psiXpAelhjIn5tv6RbIyZLqw4iIin@voila. fr>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327181135.02769ec8@taco.com>

At 12:15 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, Phydeaux wrote:
>I have a list that has to have its archives rebuilt. The problem is that
>the first two years of archives do not exist in mbox format, as someone
>trimmed the mbox file way back when. This portion of the archives only
>exists in the regular text files, that the Mailman archiver created.
>
>I tried appending those two years of files together and changing the initial
>"From user at foo.bar" to "^N^NFrom user at foo.bar" to get Mailman to see
>the files as mbox format files. My local unix mail program (mailx) sees
>the file as having 2200 or so messages for these two years, but the
>archiver does not. It only sees two messages in total from it.

For those with any interest in this, the problem seems to be that
Mailman sees the break between messages a bit differently than
most mail packages. A simple "^N^NFrom " isn't enough to convince
Mailman that a new message has started. Instead it also looks for
the date/time on the "From" line. Inside Mailbox.py is this nifty chunk of
code that appears to cause this behaviour:

    _fromlinepattern = r'From \s*\S+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d\d?\s+' \
                        r'\d\d?:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+\S+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$'


I have no idea what the actual RFC for mbox format states, but for
now I have solved the mbox format part of the problem...

Now, when I get to the HTML generation of I get this wonderful set of messages
that indicates it has a problem with November 1999. I've looked at the
messages and can't find anything different about them. October's index (and
all the other files created) appears fine. When it gets to November 1999 I get
this:

Updating HTML for article 3265
Updating index files for archive [1999-November]
Traceback (innermost last):
   File "bin/arch", line 128, in ?
     main()
   File "bin/arch", line 118, in main
     archiver.close()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 911, in close
     self.update_dirty_archives()# Update all changed archives
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 874, in 
update_dirty_archives
     self.update_archive(i)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 303, in 
update_archive
     parameters=self.__set_parameters(archive)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 224, in 
__set_parameters
     firstdate=self.database.firstdate(archive)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 188, 
in firstdate
     self.__openIndices(archive)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 237, 
in __openIndices
     self.__closeIndices()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 259, 
in __closeIndices
     index.close()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 167, 
in close
     fp.write(marshal.dumps(self.dict))
MemoryError

As always, any help/advice appreciated!

reb




From brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Mar 28 05:30:58 2001
From: brethour at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tanya Brethour)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:30:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Static hostname?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.1010327212545.5983B-100000@pecos.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

Hello,

I have kinda a weird question.. and I apologize if it seems silly.

I am using Mailman with Exim. I currently have Exim set up to use domain
X (ie: machine.test.com). Now, I will be switching to a new domain Y
(something.org). If I setup mailing lists while Exim is configured for
domain X. Will my mailing lists still function fine when switching to
domain Y? What exactly is static during the list creating? Is the domain
name static? 

So if I create test-list at machine.test.com, will this switch to
test-list at something.org or do I need to recreate the lists? Will mailman
change everything to use the new domain?

Once I switch to domain Y, domain X mail will no longer be captured by
this machine.. so I wont be supporting both. (it was used purely for
tranistion).

Thanks in advance!
Tanya




From mjs at blitz-technology.net  Wed Mar 28 07:28:15 2001
From: mjs at blitz-technology.net (Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:28:15 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make List Function
Message-ID: <20010328152815.A31300@blitz-technology.net>

What I am looking for is some way to add to the
http://www.yourdomain.com/mailman/listinfo page which lists all the
lists on my server, a form so people can create there own lists. 

Has anyone done anything like this before? 

alternativly a cgi or php script I can link to which will create the
lists would be fine.



thanks for any help you can come up with. 


-- 
Mitchell Smith

Blitz Technology

mjs at blitz-technology.net



God is real, unless declared as an integer.



From andy at strugglers.net  Wed Mar 28 08:00:01 2001
From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:00:01 +0100
Subject: More spam :-( Was Re: [Mailman-Users] Would you like to receive information on registering your pet online for free?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326152920.02ffbdd0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>; from mailman@vo.cnchost.com on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 04:11:02PM -0800
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010326092630.03aeda90@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> <14363.985630441@kanga.nu> <15039.52470.967399.437633@anthem.wooz.org> <5.0.0.25.2.20010326152920.02ffbdd0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20010328070001.B21424@gibbon.noc.strugglers.net>

JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> writes:

> It sounds as if you are ignoring or overlooking my proposed solution which 
> continues to let non-subscriber posts go through to the list unmoderated, 
> when they contain keyword(s) indicative of an on-topic non-spam 
> post.  Further, even if a post goes to the moderator, that doesn't mean it 
> can't be approved and sent on to the list, all you have introduced is a 
> slight delay.  This seems an acceptable tradeoff for avoiding the spam.  If 
> someone doesn't want their post held up by a moderation process, they 
> should subscribe, or use the appropriate keyword.

This sounds like a good idea, it would be nice to see such a
per-list option in a future version of mailman.

-- 
Andy Smith <andy at strugglers.net>

<Imightbeagiant> my legs are reallyy sore today , its from holding my
  dog between them for like 30 minutes



From Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com  Wed Mar 28 09:30:43 2001
From: Philippe_Rodriguez at bevoux.grenoble.hp.com (Philippe Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:30:43 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce only lists
In-Reply-To: <20010327115518.A6690@mach1.log.cabin>
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.31.0103280929410.4683-100000@bevoux.grenoble.hp.com>

Just have to specify allowed user for sending mails to the list to ... you ?


Phil.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Bill Logan wrote:

> Greetings. I could not find the answer to my question in the FAQ
> or other documentation on the site. I beg your indulgence if I
> have overlooked the answer in my haste to get already existing
> lists configured on a new host.
>
> Is it possible to create announce-only lists? If so, how do I do
> it?
>
> TIA,
> Bill Logan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From andreasp at qbcon.com  Wed Mar 28 10:27:02 2001
From: andreasp at qbcon.com (Andreas Pauley)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:27:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron Errors
Message-ID: <3AC1A056.5D3CF8CD@qbcon.com>

Hi,
We've been receiving strange errors from the mailman cron entries on our
newly setup list server.
Here are three examples.
Does anyone know wat this could be?

Thanks,
Andreas.

Subject: Cron <mailman at lsd> /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner

  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 1
    N???ROA~?3&M?Fpython
     ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax


Subject: Cron <mailman at lsd> /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 1, in ?
    #! /usr/bin/env python
NameError: There is no variable named 'ILNDIJBPGLJO'

Subject: Cron <mailman at lsd> /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/gate_news

  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 1
    R><FONT COLOR="#python
      ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
-- 
... Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer,
my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental.  Any
resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. 
The
question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them
is left as an exercise for the reader.  The question of the existence of
the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient.  (A
discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the
scope
of this article.)




From JEWELLS at JMFINC.COM  Wed Mar 28 10:12:24 2001
From: JEWELLS at JMFINC.COM (Joseph E. Wells)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:12:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix: All recipients refused
Message-ID: <71D0E8711696D311B7D300508B556E994930@NTS1>

OK, this is my first Mailman install, so please be kind :^).

I'm running Mailman 2.0.3 and Postfix 20010228 on RedHat 7. I've been
through all of the docs that I can find, but no luck so far. I know that
Postfix can send and receive mail without Mailman involved. But posts to
Mailman sit in the queue and I get messages in /home/mailman/logs/smtp: All
recipients refused (111, 'Connection refused') and in ...logs/smtp-failure:
-1 username at domain.tld (ignore) for each email address in the list.

Any thoughts? I'm pretty sure I compiled Mailman with the right mail-gid,
/etc/aliases looks good and I keep running newaliases to make sure. Is the
111 in the error message a port number? If so, what on earth is using
sunrpc?

Any guidance (or educated guesses) would be most welcome.

Thanks,
Joe Wells



From chris at spener.net  Wed Mar 28 14:22:24 2001
From: chris at spener.net (Christian SPENER)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:22:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug report, or not? i hope this helps
Message-ID: <01032814222402.01304@dukeshome>

got this when i go to the admin page of a list
debian potato
kernel 2.4.2

Bug in Mailman version 1.1Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. 
Thanks! Traceback:



Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
    cookie='admin')
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in 
WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range




Environment variables:



Variable

Value

 DOCUMENT_ROOT 

 /var/www 

 SERVER_ADDR 

 129.27.207.160 

 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 

 x-gzip; q=1.0, gzip; q=1.0, identity 

 SERVER_PORT 

 80 

 PATH_TRANSLATED 

 /var/www/matura-95 

 REMOTE_ADDR 

 212.17.107.128 

 SERVER_SOFTWARE 

 Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) Debian/GNU PHP/4.0.3pl1 

 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 

 CGI/1.1 

 UNIQUE_ID 

 OsHWn4Ebz6AAAAGYGbY 

 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 

 de, de_DE, en 

 REMOTE_PORT 

 33898 

 SERVER_NAME 

 zsstahl.tu-graz.ac.at 

 HTTP_CONNECTION 

 Keep-Alive 

 HTTP_USER_AGENT 

 Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.1.1; X11) 

 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 

 iso-8859-1;q=1.0, *;q=0.9, utf-8;q=0.8 

 HTTP_ACCEPT 

 text/*;q=1.0, image/png;q=1.0, image/jpeg;q=1.0, image/gif;q=1.0, 
image/*;q=0.8, */*;q=0.5 

 REQUEST_URI 

 /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/matura-95 

 PATH 

 /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin 

 QUERY_STRING 



 SERVER_PROTOCOL 

 HTTP/1.1 

 PATH_INFO 

 /matura-95 

 HTTP_HOST 

 zsstahl.tu-graz.ac.at 

 REQUEST_METHOD 

 GET 

 SERVER_SIGNATURE 



 SCRIPT_NAME 

 /cgi-bin/mailman/admin 

 SERVER_ADMIN 

 webmaster at zsstahl.tu-graz.ac.at 

 SCRIPT_FILENAME 

 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin 

 PYTHONPATH 

 /var/lib/mailman 

 HTTP_COOKIE 

 chuckmIMPlang=de 
-- 
Christian SPENER
email: chris at spener.net



From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Mar 28 15:29:17 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Make List Function
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010328080816.06f92ce0@internet.idrc.ca>

Mitchell,

There are a few steps to do what you want. Maybe there are better ways, but 
I use the "sudo" program to allow the web user ("nobody" on most systems) 
to issue the "newlist" mailman command as root. It also allows "nobody" to 
append to /etc/aliases and issue the "newaliases" command.

First, you can create a php form like so:

------------------------
form_newlist.php:
-------------------------
<?
         print ' <P>
         <TABLE BORDER=0>
         <TR>
         <TD COLSPAN=2 ALIGN="middle">
         <FONT FACE="Arial, Helvetica"><B>Add a List</B></FONT>
         </TD></TR>
         <FORM ACTION="act_newlist.php" METHOD="post">
         <TR>
         <TD>List name:</TD><TD><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="listname" 
SIZE="50"></TD>
         </TR>
         <TR>
         <TD>Admin Email</TD><TD><INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="adminemail" 
SIZE="50"></TD>
         </TR>
         <TR>
         <TD>Admin Password</TD><TD><INPUT TYPE="password" NAME="adminpass" 
SIZE="50"></TD>
         </TR>
         </TABLE>
         <INPUT TYPE="submit" VALUE="submit">
         </FORM> ';
?>
---

The above form, when submitted, will execute the script below:

-----------------------
act_newlist.php:
-----------------------
<?
// Issue newlist command, append output to /etc/aliases
$newlist = exec("/usr/local/bin/sudo  /home/mailman/bin/newlist --quiet 
--output=/etc/aliases$listname $adminemail $adminpass
",$alloutput,$returnvalue);

// Issue newaliases command
$newaliases = exec("/usr/local/bin/sudo  /usr/bin/newaliases");
print "List created.\n";
?>
-----

Notice that both the "newlist" and "newaliases" commands are prepended with 
the /usr/local/bin/sudo command.

To get sudo, go to http://www.courtesan.com/sudo

Once you have downloaded and installed it, create your sudoers file which 
will look like this:

-------------------
/etc/sudoers:
-------------------
# sudoers file.
#
# This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
#
# See the sudoers man page for the details on how to write a sudoers file.
#

# Host alias specification

# User alias specification

# Cmnd alias specification

# User privilege specification
root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
nobody ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/mailman/bin/newlist
nobody ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/newaliases

--------

If you want to create other forms to, say,  add members, delete lists, 
etc., just do the same kind of thing and remember to add the new commands 
to the sudoers file.

Be very careful about how you set up sudo. It's a great program but can be 
harmful if misused.

Hope this helps.

- Kevin




From cp at humanahom.com  Wed Mar 28 15:18:03 2001
From: cp at humanahom.com (cp at humanahom.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:18:03 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your culture
Message-ID: <E14iG5H-0003aK-00@mail.python.org>

We need to devide culture... yours too...
Please accept it, connecting you to www.humanahom.com

If you need further informations about us or our project, please connect you 
to our site or simply reply to this mail.

If culture doesn't interess you, choose "optout" option, by replying to this 
mail, with "optout" in its subject.

Best regards,
Christophe Parmentier





From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Mar 28 15:42:13 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Your culture
In-Reply-To: <E14iG5H-0003aK-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010328083624.06f98200@internet.idrc.ca>

At 01:18 PM 2001/03/28 +0000, cp at humanahom.com wrote:
>We need to devide culture... yours too...
>Please accept it, connecting you to www.humanahom.com

I don't really want to belabor the spam argument, but I really have to side 
with JC Dill and Chuck. Yes, I can press the delete button but it just 
seems exponentially more annoying when the spam is coming from a list I am 
subscribed to. Add to that the fact that it could be easily remedied but 
isn't for reasons that are, with all due respect, not very convincing.

Regards,
Kevin





From barry at digicool.com  Wed Mar 28 17:49:15 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:49:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help rebuilding archives...
References: <GATDKM$II_3pBSZz6mhG88psiXpAelhjIn5tv6RbIyZLqw4iIin@voila. fr>
	<5.0.2.1.0.20010327181135.02769ec8@taco.com>
Message-ID: <15042.2043.657194.549589@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "P" == Phydeaux  <reb at taco.com> writes:

    P> For those with any interest in this, the problem seems to be
    P> that Mailman sees the break between messages a bit differently
    P> than most mail packages. A simple "^N^NFrom " isn't enough to
    P> convince Mailman that a new message has started. Instead it
    P> also looks for the date/time on the "From" line. Inside
    P> Mailbox.py is this nifty chunk of code that appears to cause
    P> this behaviour:

    >> 'From \s*\S+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d\d?\s+' \
    >> r'\d\d?:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+\S+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$'

So far, all correct, at least for Mailman 2.0.x.

    P> I have no idea what the actual RFC for mbox format states, but
    P> for now I have solved the mbox format part of the problem...

There is no RFC, just "standard" practices.  The best description of
the issue I've found is contained in this url:

http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/content-length.html

Note that this is really a Python issue, since Mailman just uses the
mailbox module to split the mbox up.  I've actually refactored this
code in Python 2.1 to be more conformant with the note above and by
default Mailman 2.1 will use just 'From ' at the beginning of the line
to separate messages (making it exactly '\n\nFrom ' is harder given
the mailbox.py code, but the current implementation should be Good
Enough).

    P> MemoryError

Well, now this might be a different problem though.  Pipermail via
bin/arch slurps the entire archive into memory so if the archive is
big you could have this problem.  Have I mentioned that Pipermail
could use a good rewrite?  Volunteers are welcomed!  :)

-Barry



From reb at taco.com  Wed Mar 28 18:50:32 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help rebuilding archives...
In-Reply-To: <15042.2043.657194.549589@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <GATDKM$II_3pBSZz6mhG88psiXpAelhjIn5tv6RbIyZLqw4iIin@voila. fr>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010327181135.02769ec8@taco.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010328114859.020eb5c8@taco.com>

At 10:49 AM 3/28/2001 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>     P> MemoryError
>
>Well, now this might be a different problem though.  Pipermail via
>bin/arch slurps the entire archive into memory so if the archive is
>big you could have this problem.

I was finally able to regenerate the archives by doing it in two
slurps...

>Have I mentioned that Pipermail
>could use a good rewrite?  Volunteers are welcomed!  :)

;-)

reb




From msimon at simdol.com  Wed Mar 28 20:56:15 2001
From: msimon at simdol.com (Mathew Simon)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:56:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it a Bug ?
Message-ID: <000701c0b7b8$c4eb6300$0200a8c0@SIMDOL2>

Hi,

I am the administrator of a non-profit mailing list. First of all let me
thank you for letting us use a great product. Now let me explain the
problem.

I have a mailing list, with the following settings
1. Posting allowed only for the list members.

2. Temporarily we have put the list under moderation. In this setting, all
messages have to be approved by the list administrator.

a). Under the above settings, I was under the impression that all postings
by non-members would be automatically rejected, and only postings by
list-members would be displayed to the administrator for approval.

b). But recently we received a couple of unsolicited postings from
non-members. These postings by non-members were also LISTED FOR APPROVAL
along with the postings from members. This created some confusion.

c). I verified the mailing list's setting once again and I do not see any
obvious problems.

d). Is the above behavior is a Bug ?

I would appreciate a reply.

Thanks,
Mathew Simon
msimon at simdol.com





From ajones at axsone.com  Wed Mar 28 22:05:24 2001
From: ajones at axsone.com (Jones, Adrian)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:05:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird stuff
Message-ID: <4417661F91D5354996C29CDE68B680B62CD8DD@corpntex01.ctronsoft.com>

I had something weird happen today. I set up a new list for a client today.
They used it and the users are telling them that they are getting the same
message 35-50 times. Do you have any idea why this might have happened?

Adrian Jones
AUI-Technology
201-372-6071
ajones at AxsOne.com 
www.AxsOne.com 



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From Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk  Thu Mar 29 10:46:31 2001
From: Simon.Blandford at bss.co.uk (Blandford, Simon [BSS Audio UK])
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:46:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gets wrong HOME directory
Message-ID: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83D4@SCFTUKX1>

I get the following error message bouncing back when I try to post or
subscribe to a mailing list I set up on a Cobalt server. It is compliled to
use a local version of Perl 6 and is also compiled with a prefix.

It seems that wrapper is looking for /home/mailman/post in
/usr/local/majordomo and is obviously having problems. Why would it be doing
this and how do I fix it?


wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/local/majordomo/post failed: No such file
or directory
Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
HOME is HOME=/usr/local/majordomo,
PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin,
SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/local/majordomo/majordomo.cf
451 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post uknews"... Operating system error



From soros_gergo at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:09:56 2001
From: soros_gergo at yahoo.com (Gergo Soros)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:09:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper gets wrong HOME directory
References: <8B639EA607AFD311901D000629387063017F83D4@SCFTUKX1>
Message-ID: <011401c0b830$086d5da0$01000001@sgergo.hu>

> It seems that wrapper is looking for /home/mailman/post in
> /usr/local/majordomo and is obviously having problems. Why would it be doing
> this and how do I fix it?
> 
> 

See README.SENDMAIL:

--
For example, if you've installed Mailman in the standard location, you
can just execute these commands (you might have to do these as root):

    % cd /etc/smrsh
    % ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

One complication: if you're running Majordomo and Mailman
simultaneously (i.e. in the process of migrating from MD to MM :),
then you might have a small problem because Majordomo also uses a
program called `wrapper'.  In this case, Paul Tomblin suggests calling
the Mailman symlink `mailman_wrapper', and changing the alias entries
to call this instead of `wrapper'.  You might want to hack bin/newlist
to output this instead.
--

Gergo




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From Murat.Balkas at o2.net.tr  Thu Mar 29 11:49:25 2001
From: Murat.Balkas at o2.net.tr (Murat Balkas)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:49:25 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron error : gate_news, permission denied
Message-ID: <009501c0b835$8a3c9ee0$0c2ba8c0@muratbalkas>

Hi,

    I get this error almost every minute. If check the permissions I see
that config.db of all lists are owned by nobody ( web user ). Is it not
okey? Should I chown?

Your "cron" job on mail
/usr/local/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news

produced the following output:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/export/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/export/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/export/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/export/home/mailman/lists/test1/config.db'





From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Thu Mar 29 16:41:33 2001
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:41:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <009501c0b835$8a3c9ee0$0c2ba8c0@muratbalkas>
Message-ID: <3AC2E72D.7193.18B22A3@localhost>

It is getting about time to make my feature request (again).

The first and most important: Keep real names as well as rmail 
addresses. My real preference would be to use PostgreSQL (preferred) 
or MySQL for the list info database.

My second, and almost as important, request: Provide a way to specify 
the list domain name at the time of list creation instead of having 
to change it after creation. This causes confusion for users of 
virtual domains.

Thanks for a great product.

--Richard

------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Mar 29 17:46:29 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:46:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
References: <3AC2E72D.7193.18B22A3@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AC358D4.A21791C4@pcraft.com>

"Richard B. Pyne" wrote:

> My second, and almost as important, request: Provide a way to specify
> the list domain name at the time of list creation instead of having
> to change it after creation. This causes confusion for users of
> virtual domains.

    Don't see why you have to do that.  I run mailman across three
different vdomains and I never have to change the list domain name.  It
automatically knows what its (correct) vdomain is when it gets created.

    AMK4

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From Liveweblinks at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 29 16:47:16 2001
From: Liveweblinks at btinternet.com (Abigail Spencer)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:47:16
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
Message-ID: <E14ieh5-0001fP-00@mail.python.org>

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From jerome at levinux.org  Thu Mar 29 18:44:59 2001
From: jerome at levinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me=20Loisel?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:44:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and I18N?
Message-ID: <01032911445903.32028@levinux-lab>

Hi!

First, I would like to thank all Mailman developers. It is a great piece of 
software and I appreciate it. (Of course, I would also like to thank the 
Academy. But that is another story entirely.)

Is Mailman I18Ned? Has French localization been written yet? The webpage does 
not mention this: I have looked in the FAQ. I have also looked at the 
features list and the to-do list... And in my mind, I18N belongs in one of 
those two places. :-)

Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

J?r?me Loisel

-- 
J?r?me Loisel
L?vinux: GNU/Linux dans les communaut?s ? L?vis



From lcarter1 at cwctv.net  Thu Mar 29 19:59:25 2001
From: lcarter1 at cwctv.net (lcarter1 at cwctv.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:59:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1110 - 9 msgs
Message-ID: <051b00951171d31DTVMAIL11@smtp.cwctv.net>

unsubscribe



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From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Thu Mar 29 20:12:51 2001
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:12:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <3AC358D4.A21791C4@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3AC318B3.19294.24C9DAA@localhost>

You must be running IP virtual domains rather than named virtual 
domains. 

With named vrtual domains, mailing lists are always created defaulted 
to the domain where Mailman was originally installed (the machine's 
default domain) and then I have to log in to the admin page and 
change them to the correct domain for the list. The welcome message 
to the list owner shows the default domain rather than the domain for 
the list.

There are also some minor issues on the list of lists for a domain. 
If the domain is set to foo.com and the user browses to 
http://www.foo.com/mailman/listinfo they will not see the list but 
will if they browse to http://foo.com/mailman/listinfo.

On 29 Mar 2001, at 8:46, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> "Richard B. Pyne" wrote:
> 
> > My second, and almost as important, request: Provide a way to
> > specify the list domain name at the time of list creation instead of
> > having to change it after creation. This causes confusion for users
> > of virtual domains.
> 
>     Don't see why you have to do that.  I run mailman across three
> different vdomains and I never have to change the list domain name. 
> It automatically knows what its (correct) vdomain is when it gets
> created.
> 
>     AMK4

------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Thu Mar 29 20:18:01 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:18:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
Message-ID: <B6E8D879.56E%rob@prometheusmedia.com>

I have an idea, lets all spam the spammers.

Better yet, rebuild your sendmail to use the blackhole list and get these
arses on the black hole list.

Rob




From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Thu Mar 29 20:39:57 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:39:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKIGFILOHKMDOPKJLMEIBCCAA.aleksw@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <B6E8DD9D.574%rob@prometheusmedia.com>

on 3/29/01 12:42 PM, Aleksandra Witkowska at aleksw at ameritech.net wrote:

> Blackhole list?

When you use m4 to compile sendmail's config file, it has an option to check
the senders domain/ip against a list that is maintained against spammers -
who seem to have discovered the usefulness of this list.


Rob




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Mar 29 20:44:05 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:44:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
References: <3AC318B3.19294.24C9DAA@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AC38274.84169B5D@pcraft.com>

"Richard B. Pyne" wrote:

> You must be running IP virtual domains rather than named virtual
> domains.

    Nope, they're named virtual domains.


> With named vrtual domains, mailing lists are always created defaulted
> to the domain where Mailman was originally installed (the machine's
> default domain)

    I run named vdomains, to the same IP.  However, I do have a separate
installation for each vdomain (though they all run under ~mailman as
mailman.mailman)


> There are also some minor issues on the list of lists for a domain.
> If the domain is set to foo.com and the user browses to
> http://www.foo.com/mailman/listinfo they will not see the list but
> will if they browse to http://foo.com/mailman/listinfo.

    That's not mailman's fault, that's your web server's problem.
Misconfigured.

    AMK4

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From reb at taco.com  Thu Mar 29 21:03:31 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <B6E8D879.56E%rob@prometheusmedia.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010329140106.0282ae30@taco.com>

At 12:18 PM 3/29/2001 -0600, Robert Brandtjen wrote:
>I have an idea, lets all spam the spammers.
>
>Better yet, rebuild your sendmail to use the blackhole list and get these
>arses on the black hole list.

Why not turn moderation for the list ON -- so only subscribers can post?

Then, let a few of us approve posters that are held for the moderator.
That way the list owner will be happy that he doesn't have lots of extra
work and the rest of us can be happy without having to deal with lots of
spam.

The spam is *quite* easy for a human to detect. I hereby volunteer for
duty if called....

reb




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Thu Mar 29 21:01:04 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:01:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Keeping quoted digests off the list
In-Reply-To: <051b00951171d31DTVMAIL11@smtp.cwctv.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010329102328.03814180@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

One of my majordomo lists also has a digest option.  I have the following 
taboo header settings in the majordomo config file for that list:

         # taboo_headers        [regexp_array] (undef) <resend>
         # If any of the headers matches one of these regexps, then the
         # message will be bounced for review.
taboo_headers       <<  END
/^Content-Type:.*multipart.*/i
/^Content-Type:.*html.*/i
/^Subject:.*listname-digest.*/i
END

This very effectively stops someone from clicking "reply" to their copy of 
the digest, quoting the whole thing, adding whatever they add, and sending 
the whole thing off for distribution to the whole list.  Before their post 
is redistributed to the list, they must change the subject line, and if 
they remember to change the subject line my experience is that they will 
also remember to quote only the part that needs quoting, and to send their 
reply to the right address, etc.  Bingo, no more entire digests being 
quoted and sent back out to all the list subscribers.

(Also, no HTML or attachments will be allowed either, per the content-type 
filters, but that's a topic for another post.)

If desired, one can also add a taboo_body setting and match for the digest 
header text that also should never be quoted back in a properly trimmed 
reply (see example below).  That would catch the rare case (which hasn't 
occurred on my list yet, in over two years that I've been managing the 
list, with hundreds of subscribers and hundreds of posts a month) where the 
subject was changed, but the digest body was not properly trimmed when quoted.

Yes, this sort of content filtering causes occasional posts that were 
intended to be sent to the list to go to the moderator for approval, and 
delays their distribution to the list.  But all of those posts were sent in 
violation of the list rules (one of which is "change the subject line in 
your reply to the list, to the subject of the post in the digest you are 
replying to).  My position is that when a subscriber doesn't follow the 
list submission rules, (as outlined at the top of every digest they 
receive, in the fronter material for digests on my lists), they shouldn't 
complain that their post didn't immediately get redistributed to the list.

So...

Question #1

Is this possible with mailman?  Before I move my majordomo list to a new 
server with new mailing list software (mailman is the software I'm 
considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can configure that 
software to do the same things I can currently easily do with majordomo.  I 
don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with installing and 
configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do some of the 
critical things I need it to do.

Question #2

(wait for it...)  If it's possible with mailman, can it please be done to 
THIS LIST?

<observation>
You would think that someone who writes mailing list software would want to 
eagerly demonstrate how many things their software can easily do.  One 
effective way would be to configure their software to do those very things 
on their own lists....
</observation>

jc




On 09:59 AM 3/29/01, lcarter1 at cwctv.net wrote:
>From: <lcarter1 at cwctv.net>
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1110 - 9 msgs
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:59:25 +0100

>unsubscribe

<snip>

>Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org
>
>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         mailman-users-request at python.org
>
>You can reach the person managing the list at
>         mailman-users-admin at python.org




From orion at deathcon.com  Thu Mar 29 21:30:41 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:30:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron error : gate_news, permission denied
In-Reply-To: <009501c0b835$8a3c9ee0$0c2ba8c0@muratbalkas>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103291129220.16947-100000@mail.pirk.com>

Unless you are using the "gateway to news" functions in mailman,
this cron entry can be commented out or removed. Not sure why you
are getting the error, but commenting out the cron entry is a 
quick fix :-)

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Murat Balkas wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>     I get this error almost every minute. If check the permissions I see
> that config.db of all lists are owned by nobody ( web user ). Is it not
> okey? Should I chown?
> 
> Your "cron" job on mail
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news
> 
> produced the following output:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
>     process_lists(lock)
>   File "/export/home/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
>   File "/export/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/export/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
>     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
>   File "/export/home/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/export/home/mailman/lists/test1/config.db'
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From alex at phred.org  Thu Mar 29 21:41:48 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:41:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010329140106.0282ae30@taco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103291141200.52095-100000@phred.org>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Phydeaux wrote:
> The spam is *quite* easy for a human to detect. I hereby volunteer for
> duty if called....

In the past couple of weeks there have been many more messages 
complaining about the spam then spam itself...

alex




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Mar 29 21:49:23 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (chuq von rospach)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:49:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103291141200.52095-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>

On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 11:41  AM, alex wetmore wrote:

> In the past couple of weeks there have been many more messages
> complaining about the spam then spam itself...
>

yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue, too. Which is 
another reason to make the spam go away -- because it's not only noise 
in the system, it's noise that breeds other noise. And that other noise 
breeds discussions like this, where we're having a meta-argument about 
the noise complaining about the noise.... All of which does nothing 
useful except keep people from talking about what the list is about.




From dstcruz at southern.edu  Thu Mar 29 22:18:10 2001
From: dstcruz at southern.edu (dansan)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:18:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Reject
Message-ID: <20010329151810.A22239@dstcruz.public.southern.edu>

Dear gurus :)

Hey, I've been trying to convince the ppl at work that mailman would
be an awesome solution... just came across an "simple"? issue.  Is
there anyway to automatically reject mail coming from a specific
address (or domain?) without having to bother the list administrator
with it?

Thanks for any help...

-- 
>From the hands of -< dansan >-

------------------------------
Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that
counts can be counted.
		-- Albert Einstein



From swangdb at mail.auburn.edu  Thu Mar 29 22:47:03 2001
From: swangdb at mail.auburn.edu (David Swanger)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:47:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailan return address problem
Message-ID: <200103292047.OAA14308@peking.duc.auburn.edu>

I installed Mailman on a Sun Sparc server, Solaris 2.8.
The name of the server is:  
 
   aulist.duc.auburn.edu

So far it seems to work fine, EXCEPT...

I created a mailing list named test.  When I subscribed myself
to the test mailing list, I received a confirmation message.
The return address from this message was not correct, it
was:

   From: test-request at aulist.aulist.duc.auburn.edu
   
It should have been: 

   From: test-request at aulist.duc.auburn.edu

I have the following variable set for DEFAULT_HOST_NAME:

Defaults.py:DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'aulist'
mm_cfg.py:DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'aulist.duc.auburn.edu'


How can I fix this?


Thanks...

--
David Swanger
Office of Information Technology
Auburn University, AL
swangdb at mail.auburn.edu




From leif at neland.dk  Thu Mar 29 20:30:32 2001
From: leif at neland.dk (Leif Neland)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:30:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and I18N?
References: <01032911445903.32028@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <039301c0b898$16679200$6405a8c0@neland.dk>

> Is Mailman I18Ned? Has French localization been written yet? The webpage does 
> not mention this: I have looked in the FAQ. I have also looked at the 
> features list and the to-do list... And in my mind, I18N belongs in one of 
> those two places. :-)
> 
Feature request: The language should be selectable per mailing list.
I've got local Danish lists as well as international English lists.

I've translated the html for the Danish lists, but I can't have both Danish and English versions of the py's

Leif



From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Thu Mar 29 21:26:15 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:26:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010329140106.0282ae30@taco.com>
References: <B6E8D879.56E%rob@prometheusmedia.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010329112526.03814500@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 11:03 AM 3/29/01, Phydeaux wrote:

 >The spam is *quite* easy for a human to detect. I hereby volunteer for
 >duty if called....

<jc raises hand>

<ObAOL>

Me to!

</ObAOL>

jc

-- 
Real courtesy requires human effort and understanding.
Never let your machine or your habit send courtesy copies.




From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar 30 02:20:06 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Reject
In-Reply-To: <20010329151810.A22239@dstcruz.public.southern.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103291300330.16947-100000@mail.pirk.com>

I do not believe that mailman can do this by itself, but it
can be easily managed in sendmail. Read up on spam fitering
(spammers db file).

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, dansan wrote:

> Dear gurus :)
> 
> Hey, I've been trying to convince the ppl at work that mailman would
> be an awesome solution... just came across an "simple"? issue.  Is
> there anyway to automatically reject mail coming from a specific
> address (or domain?) without having to bother the list administrator
> with it?
> 
> Thanks for any help...
> 
> -- 
> >From the hands of -< dansan >-
> 
> ------------------------------
> Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that
> counts can be counted.
> 		-- Albert Einstein
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From jcrey at uma.es  Fri Mar 30 08:55:29 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:55:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and I18N?
References: <01032911445903.32028@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <3AC42DE1.D4566338@uma.es>

J?r?me Loisel wrote:
> 
> Is Mailman I18Ned?
Yes

> Has French localization been written yet?
No.
As I know...

> Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

Take a glance at http://joker.sci.uma.es/mailman/listinfo
and
ftp://ftp.uma.es/pub/mailman

Cheers
-- 
                          ___
                         / F \
                        [[[]]]]
                        ( O O )
   #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
   |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
   |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
   |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
   #----------------------------------------------#



From jcrey at uma.es  Fri Mar 30 08:55:29 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:55:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and I18N?
References: <01032911445903.32028@levinux-lab>
Message-ID: <3AC42DE1.D4566338@uma.es>

J?r?me Loisel wrote:
> 
> Is Mailman I18Ned?
Yes

> Has French localization been written yet?
No.
As I know...

> Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

Take a glance at http://joker.sci.uma.es/mailman/listinfo
and
ftp://ftp.uma.es/pub/mailman

Cheers
-- 
                          ___
                         / F \
                        [[[]]]]
                        ( O O )
   #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
   |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
   |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
   |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
   #----------------------------------------------#



From wra_eng at 2.pacific.net.id  Fri Mar 30 14:11:56 2001
From: wra_eng at 2.pacific.net.id (.)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:11:56 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20010330.12115626@mis.configured.host>




From gpirujo at pop3free.com  Fri Mar 30 04:36:58 2001
From: gpirujo at pop3free.com (Guillermo Pereyra Irujo)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:36:58 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie looking for documentation
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103292329480.313-100000@lfs.gpirujo.com.ar>

Hello everybody. I'm a new list manager and I'm looking for some
documentation to make some changes that I haven't been able to make
through the /mailman/admin/listname web interface.

I went to www.list.org, but the documentation there explains how all this
(already known in my case) stuff /mailman/admin/listname. For example, I
want to change the Reply-To: header and the addresses which listname-admin
and listname-owner point to, but it isn't described there, nor in the faq.

Could you tell me please where can I find a more complete doc? Thanks.

--
Guillermo Pereyra Irujo
Mar del Plata, Argentina
Linux User #207706





From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Fri Mar 30 16:18:54 2001
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:18:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <3AC38274.84169B5D@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3AC4335E.6504.44AF33B@localhost>

On 29 Mar 2001, at 11:44, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> "Richard B. Pyne" wrote:
> > With named vrtual domains, mailing lists are always created
> > defaulted to the domain where Mailman was originally installed (the
> > machine's default domain)
> 
>     I run named vdomains, to the same IP.  However, I do have a
>     separate
> installation for each vdomain (though they all run under ~mailman as
> mailman.mailman)

There is the difference, I run ONE copy of Mailman for the entire 
server. There should be no need to run a separate copy for each 
virtual domain.
 
> 
> > There are also some minor issues on the list of lists for a domain.
> > If the domain is set to foo.com and the user browses to
> > http://www.foo.com/mailman/listinfo they will not see the list but
> > will if they browse to http://foo.com/mailman/listinfo.
> 
>     That's not mailman's fault, that's your web server's problem.
> Misconfigured.

No, not msconfigured. Mailman looks at the FQDN when deciding what 
lists to show, not just the second level domain. Changing this 
behaviour COULD cause other undesirable effects though.

--Richard


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From barry at digicool.com  Fri Mar 30 17:54:11 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103291141200.52095-100000@phred.org>
	<200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>
Message-ID: <15044.44067.757106.274716@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "cvr" == chuq von rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    cvr> yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue,
    cvr> too.

Our Exim administrator has installed the filters suggested by Marc
Merlin (thanks Marc).  Let's see if that staunches the flow of spam.

-Barry



From barry at digicool.com  Fri Mar 30 17:56:32 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:56:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
References: <3AC38274.84169B5D@pcraft.com>
	<3AC4335E.6504.44AF33B@localhost>
Message-ID: <15044.44208.559161.623604@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> writes:

    RBP> There is the difference, I run ONE copy of Mailman for the
    RBP> entire server. There should be no need to run a separate copy
    RBP> for each virtual domain.
 
There should be no problem with this /except/ if you want lists with
the same name in different virtual domains.  That is the missing
feature that should be added to Mailman.

-Barry



From marcelob at unisel.com.ar  Fri Mar 30 18:34:55 2001
From: marcelob at unisel.com.ar (Marcelo Bitulka)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:34:55 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration of Mail man
Message-ID: <sac48b92.087@unisel.com.ar>

Hi, how can I set Mail man to configure it under web interface !

The software is already running over SCO platform....

Thanks in advance....

**********************************
      Marcelo S. Bitulka
Gerente de Soporte T?cnico
     Unisel Argentina S.A.
**********************************
   Visite www.unisel.com.ar
**********************************






From richard at unique-digital.co.uk  Fri Mar 30 18:45:07 2001
From: richard at unique-digital.co.uk (Richard Andersen)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:45:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter
Message-ID: <7D98E21D2413D511A9250002A5349AF0026729@UNIQUESBS>

To whom it may concern:

Our company is looking for a software solution to manage an e-mail
newsletter to our clients and other interested parties on a regular basis.
The letter will be fairly straight forward and go out in tens or possibly
hundreds, but certainly no bigger volume than that. We also want to be able
to manage the whole process internally once it has been set up.

Are you able to come up with a proposal in terms of price, time-line,
technical requirements etc, please?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Richard Andersen
Online Media Consultant
Unique Digital  
53 Corsica Street
London N5 1JT
t:  +44 (0)20 7354 5666
f: +44 (0)20 7354 1235
e: richard at unique-digital.co.uk


This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for
the use of the intended recipient. 





From mario at futuresource.com  Fri Mar 30 18:52:10 2001
From: mario at futuresource.com (Mario Pacheco)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:52:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
Message-ID: <006b01c0b939$c362cb40$43c201cf@VAIO>

I would like to put Mailman to use in an organization I'm 
doing some work for *however* there is too much resistance 
to the idea of requiring users to provide a password to 
unsubscribe.

Does Mailman have an option to not require a password
for the purposes of unsubscribing?

Are there any unofficial patches to change the code in
Mailman (presumably some Python file) to facilitate this
functionality?

Thanks,
-M
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From felipe at apex-ctr.com  Fri Mar 30 14:45:48 2001
From: felipe at apex-ctr.com (Felipe Sanchez Elich)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:45:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachs and list archive...
Message-ID: <01033012454804.05305@bubble.grupo-apex.es>

hello...
How can I see the attachs in the list archive in a correct format instead a 7 
bit text?

Thanks a lot

Felipe



From bob at nleaudio.com  Fri Mar 30 20:32:33 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
References: <E14j2H2-0006Ba-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3AC4D141.D3ED6A84@nleaudio.com>

See http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm



From ncantor at ShopEaze.com  Fri Mar 30 20:48:52 2001
From: ncantor at ShopEaze.com (Noah Cantor)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:48:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman to new server
Message-ID: <20010330104852.A7174@ShopEaze.com>

Hi all.

Last night i moved my mailman files from one server to another. I made a tar
of all the old files, did an scp to the new machine, untarred it, added the
appropriate users (mailman, apache) with the same uid and gids that they had
previously. whe i run check_list <listname> it tells me that the list is set
up correctly, and that the database is working. however, when i send mail to
that list, it gets stuck in the mailman queue, and eventually bounces back to
me telling me that the list doesn't exist. eventually i bandaided the problem
by NFS mounting the mailman directory onto the machine that it used to run on,
which solved the problem, but slowed down the mailing lists a considerable
amount, because now they have to go across an NFS mounted drive. what i was
wondering is if anybody has seen this before and has some idea of what i need
to do to get mailman working on the new server. personally, i suspect that
there's something wrong with the way apache is set up, but i can't find
anything wrong with it.

Thanks,

Noah



From rone at macromedia.com  Fri Mar 30 21:05:43 2001
From: rone at macromedia.com (Ron Echeverri)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com> from chuq von rospach
 at "Mar 29, 2001 11:49:23 am"
Message-ID: <20010330190543.2E47A2168@karach.macromedia.com>

chuq von rospach wrote:
  On Thursday, March 29, 2001, at 11:41  AM, alex wetmore wrote:
  > In the past couple of weeks there have been many more messages
  > complaining about the spam then spam itself...
  yup. and until the spam goes away, that'll continue, too. Which is 
  another reason to make the spam go away -- because it's not only noise 
  in the system, it's noise that breeds other noise.

I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply
control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we
should simply delete it.  I'm sure Barry is doing all he can to limit
the influx of crap, but there's little he can do about people whining.

rone
-- 
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UNIX Engineer		San Francisco ->b | 	Desk:	x2149
Macromedia, Inc.	                \ \ 	Cell:	+1-408-4250188
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Mar 30 21:11:58 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (chuq von rospach)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer
In-Reply-To: <20010330190543.2E47A2168@karach.macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com>

On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 11:05  AM, Ron Echeverri wrote:

> I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply
> control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we
> should simply delete it.  I

If you go home at night and smell gas, do you solve the problem by 
deciding to smoke outside from now on? Or do you call a repairman to fix 
the gas leak?




From ncantor at ShopEaze.com  Fri Mar 30 21:20:49 2001
From: ncantor at ShopEaze.com (Noah Cantor)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:20:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman to new server
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010330110255.02aa48f0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>; from jcdill@vo.cnchost.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:04:28AM -0800
References: <20010330104852.A7174@ShopEaze.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010330110255.02aa48f0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <20010330112049.A7333@ShopEaze.com>

i'm positive the email is going through the new machine, cause i checked the
queue on the new machine. when i first moved everything, i cleared the queue,
so there wouldn't be any ambiguity. all of the aliases are set up correctly on
the new machine. 
as far as i know, mailman is still running on the old machine... i never
turned it off, in any case.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:04:28AM -0800, JC Dill wrote:
> On 10:48 AM 3/30/01, Noah Cantor wrote:
>  >Hi all.
>  >
>  >Last night i moved my mailman files from one server to another. I made a tar
>  >of all the old files, did an scp to the new machine, untarred it, added the
>  >appropriate users (mailman, apache) with the same uid and gids that they had
>  >previously. whe i run check_list <listname> it tells me that the list is set
>  >up correctly, and that the database is working. however, when i send mail to
>  >that list, it gets stuck in the mailman queue,
> 
> Is mailman still running on the old machine?  Are you SURE the email you 
> are sending is going to (and being returned by) the new machine?  Did you 
> look at the logs of the new machine to see the mail stuck in the queue, and 
> then bounced back?
> 
>   and eventually bounces back to
>  >me telling me that the list doesn't exist. eventually i bandaided the problem
>  >by NFS mounting the mailman directory onto the machine that it used to 
> run on,
>  >which solved the problem, but slowed down the mailing lists a considerable
>  >amount, because now they have to go across an NFS mounted drive. what i was
>  >wondering is if anybody has seen this before and has some idea of what i need
>  >to do to get mailman working on the new server. personally, i suspect that
>  >there's something wrong with the way apache is set up, but i can't find
>  >anything wrong with it.
>  >
>  >Thanks,
>  >
>  >Noah
>  >
>  >------------------------------------------------------
>  >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>  >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar 30 21:57:09 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:57:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved mailman to new server
In-Reply-To: <20010330112049.A7333@ShopEaze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103301156160.24043-100000@mail.pirk.com>

Noah,

Check to make sure you added the "crontab" entries on the new
server. They are listed by running crontab -l as the user mailman.

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Noah Cantor wrote:

> i'm positive the email is going through the new machine, cause i checked the
> queue on the new machine. when i first moved everything, i cleared the queue,
> so there wouldn't be any ambiguity. all of the aliases are set up correctly on
> the new machine. 
> as far as i know, mailman is still running on the old machine... i never
> turned it off, in any case.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:04:28AM -0800, JC Dill wrote:
> > On 10:48 AM 3/30/01, Noah Cantor wrote:
> >  >Hi all.
> >  >
> >  >Last night i moved my mailman files from one server to another. I made a tar
> >  >of all the old files, did an scp to the new machine, untarred it, added the
> >  >appropriate users (mailman, apache) with the same uid and gids that they had
> >  >previously. whe i run check_list <listname> it tells me that the list is set
> >  >up correctly, and that the database is working. however, when i send mail to
> >  >that list, it gets stuck in the mailman queue,
> > 
> > Is mailman still running on the old machine?  Are you SURE the email you 
> > are sending is going to (and being returned by) the new machine?  Did you 
> > look at the logs of the new machine to see the mail stuck in the queue, and 
> > then bounced back?
> > 
> >   and eventually bounces back to
> >  >me telling me that the list doesn't exist. eventually i bandaided the problem
> >  >by NFS mounting the mailman directory onto the machine that it used to 
> > run on,
> >  >which solved the problem, but slowed down the mailing lists a considerable
> >  >amount, because now they have to go across an NFS mounted drive. what i was
> >  >wondering is if anybody has seen this before and has some idea of what i need
> >  >to do to get mailman working on the new server. personally, i suspect that
> >  >there's something wrong with the way apache is set up, but i can't find
> >  >anything wrong with it.
> >  >
> >  >Thanks,
> >  >
> >  >Noah
> >  >
> >  >------------------------------------------------------
> >  >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >  >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Fri Mar 30 22:22:18 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:22:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not?
In-Reply-To: <20010330190543.2E47A2168@karach.macromedia.com>
References: <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 11:05 AM 3/30/01, Ron Echeverri wrote:

 >I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should simply
 >control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the spam, we
 >should simply delete it.  I'm sure Barry is doing all he can to limit
 >the influx of crap, but there's little he can do about people whining.

As people who setup and manage mailing lists and mailing list servers and 
email servers, keeping spam off the lists *we setup* for our users is part 
of our job.  That's why discussing this issue IS useful, it gets tools made 
that automate that job, which is why we have mailing list software (like 
mailman, like majordomo) in the first place.  This list is merely an 
example.  Keeping spam off this particular list isn't nearly as important 
as being able to keep spam off similar lists, and determining if this can 
be easily done with mailman or not.

I keep bringing up this list merely because it seems to be pity that the 
list server software authors don't care more about configuring their OWN 
list to meet what I consider minimum list configuration requirements.

Perhaps that was a mistake, because I'm not nearly as concerned with the 
setup of this particular list as I am with whether I can configure mailman 
to setup MY lists the way I want them.  So far, none of my questions on 
this topic have been addressed by other subscribers of this list or by the 
software authors.

I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:

1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
will be sent to a moderator for approval?

Yes or No?

To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that I 
personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
implementing simple filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one 
or more keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes 
to the moderator?

Is this currently available, or not?

2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  Before I move my 
majordomo list to a new server with new mailing list software (mailman is 
the software I'm considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can 
configure that software to do the same things I can currently easily do 
with majordomo.  I don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with 
installing and configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do 
some of the critical things I need it to do.

Is this available, or not?

jc


-- 
Real courtesy requires human effort and understanding.
Never let your machine or your habit send courtesy copies.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Mar 30 23:10:34 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
References: <3AC4335E.6504.44AF33B@localhost>
Message-ID: <3AC4F64A.11523F5D@pcraft.com>

"Richard B. Pyne" wrote:

> No, not msconfigured. Mailman looks at the FQDN when deciding what
> lists to show, not just the second level domain. Changing this
> behaviour COULD cause other undesirable effects though.

    You have mailman installed as 'foo.com', so it never knows about the
'www' part.  Mailman is not responsible for how you set it up, it does what
you tell it to.  If you told it to install as 'www.foo.com', it will also
work that way.

    All of my lists sit on 'lists.vdomain.com' and they work just fine as
soon as I add a new list.  There is no editing to be done anywhere, no
domains to be changed, nothing.  None of them conflict with one another,
and I can have the same list name under several domains and everything
works just fine (as separate lists).  The web interface works the same
way.  I can hit 'abc-list' on any of the vdomains (provided it exists on
them) and it would be a different list.

    Another solution would be to tell your webserver to serve mailman
through www.foo.com if mailman only knows about foo.com.  Set a pass
through proxy.

    AMK4

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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From brokenstar at trnty.edu  Fri Mar 30 23:51:24 2001
From: brokenstar at trnty.edu (De Jong, Rich)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:51:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am have a problem with sendmail using wrapper.
Message-ID: <4119B8A863F7D211828D00A0CC25D91A0B2463@anna.trnty.edu>

Here is the error I'm recieving... any ideas?:

The original message was received at Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:27:49 -0600
from localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"
    (expanded from: testing-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing: Mailbox does not exist 
550 "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"... User unknown




----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
Rich De Jong
Computer Systems Analyst
Trinity Christian College
Phone: 708.239.4828   Fax: 708.239.3989   Email: rich.dejong at trnty.edu




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Mar 30 23:53:29 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:53:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not?
Message-ID: <200103302151.NAA06463@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:
> 
> 1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
> subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
> will be sent to a moderator for approval?
> 
> Yes or No?

Yes

> To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that I 
> personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
> in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
> question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
> implementing simple filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one 
> or more keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes 
> to the moderator?
> 
> Is this currently available, or not?

No (at least not without hacking SpamDetect.py or something similar)

> 2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
> are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  Before I move my 
> majordomo list to a new server with new mailing list software (mailman is 
> the software I'm considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can 
> configure that software to do the same things I can currently easily do 
> with majordomo.  I don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with 
> installing and configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do 
> some of the critical things I need it to do.
> 
> Is this available, or not?

Yes.  Automagically, the messages get held for moderation.  With
hacking of SpamDetect.py (in this case, just adding entries to a 
table), the messages can be rejected without commentary or further
action.




From javier at kjsl.com  Fri Mar 30 23:52:28 2001
From: javier at kjsl.com (Javier Henderson)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:52:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am have a problem with sendmail using wrapper.
In-Reply-To: <4119B8A863F7D211828D00A0CC25D91A0B2463@anna.trnty.edu>
References: <4119B8A863F7D211828D00A0CC25D91A0B2463@anna.trnty.edu>
Message-ID: <15045.28.730823.933000@bogon.kjsl.com>

De Jong, Rich writes:
 > Here is the error I'm recieving... any ideas?:
 > 
 > The original message was received at Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:27:49 -0600
 > from localhost
 > 
 >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
 > "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"
 >     (expanded from: testing-admin)
 > 
 >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 > |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing: Mailbox does not exist 
 > 550 "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"... User unknown

	Did you add the aliases to /etc/mail/aliases or whatever? Did
you tell sendmail about the new aliases file?

-jav



From orion at deathcon.com  Fri Mar 30 23:58:48 2001
From: orion at deathcon.com (Steve Pirk)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:58:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or
 not?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103301351080.24043-100000@mail.pirk.com>


Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com 
webops.com - disclaimer.com 
--

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote:
> 
> I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:
> 
> 1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
> subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
> will be sent to a moderator for approval?
> 
> Yes or No?

Yes. The settings are (these *may* be overkill :-):
Privacy Options:
Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine? NO
What steps are required for subscription? Confirm
Who can view subscription list? List Members
Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs? Yes
Must posts be approved by an administrator? No
Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) YES

These basic settings will keep the list private, and *any* posts by
a non-member go to the moderator (owner) for approval.

> 
> To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice that I 
> personally feel has dubious value, since their question might be answered 
> in a post to the list, perhaps in response to someone else asking the same 
> question, but they won't see it because they aren't subscribed), how about 
> implementing simple filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one 
> or more keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it goes 
> to the moderator?
> 
> Is this currently available, or not?
> 
Check the "RegX" settings at the bottom of the privacy options.

> 2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
> are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  Before I move my 
> majordomo list to a new server with new mailing list software (mailman is 
> the software I'm considering, obviously), it is a requirement that I can 
> configure that software to do the same things I can currently easily do 
> with majordomo.  I don't want to waste my time trying to futz around with 
> installing and configuring mailman before I learn that it won't let me do 
> some of the critical things I need it to do.
> 
> Is this available, or not?

Not sure, but some people have written extra filters to do things like
this. I think a search of the archives might be the only answer.

> 
> jc
> 

Steve
orion at deathcon.com Owner/Admin
deathcon.com - pirk.com
webops.com - disclaimer.com
--





From alex at phred.org  Sat Mar 31 00:43:35 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:43:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or
 not?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103301442070.52095-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, JC Dill wrote:
> I have 2 outstanding questions about mailman configuration options:

I've answered these before.

> 1)  Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone who is 
> subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a non-subscriber 
> will be sent to a moderator for approval?
> 
> Yes or No?

Yes.

> 2)  Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages that 
> are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?  

Headers yes, body no (at least with 2.01).

alex




From reb at taco.com  Sat Mar 31 00:47:34 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:47:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103301653420.26439-100000@Timberwolf.Provis
 ion.Net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010330174356.02b9ee88@taco.com>

At 05:14 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, Robert V. MacQuarrie wrote:
>Absolutely the best mailing list manager I have ever used! Thanks!
>
>One feature I'd love to see added would be an option to allow new list
>members to only view archives from there joining date. For example, if
>user joins or is added on 3.30.2001 then they should only be able to view
>archives dated from that date and not before.

I fail to see why this would be at all useful. I find it's great when users
peruse the archives because it at least offers some slim hope that
the same question is not brought up again and again and again...

>[...] 3 of the discussion forms I maintain require a discussion on if said
>user should be added on not and members get to voice their opinions and
>concerns before the new user is added (if everyone agrees). I'm sure there
>could be other reasons for an option such as this aswell.

Hey -- it's ancient history... if the data is there and the new list member
wants to see it he is *going* to find a way (like ask a friend who is
also on the list but who has been there longer) ... from my experience
the best thing to do is to let everyone know that what they say will
be "on record."

IMHO this is likely to be much more trouble than it is worth.

>Again, thanks for a great list manager!

Agreed!

reb




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 31 01:29:20 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:29:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer 
In-Reply-To: Message from chuq von rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
   of "Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:58 PST." <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com> 
References: <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com> 
Message-ID: <6892.985994960@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:58 -0800 
chuq von rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> On Friday, March 30, 2001, at 11:05 AM, Ron Echeverri wrote:

>> I disagree.  Since we can't control spammers, perhaps we should
>> simply control ourselves, and instead of complaining about the
>> spam, we should simply delete it.  I

> If you go home at night and smell gas, do you solve the problem by
> deciding to smoke outside from now on? Or do you call a repairman
> to fix the gas leak?

Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this one,
there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control and
alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 31 01:32:59 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:32:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not? 
In-Reply-To: Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com> 
   of "Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:22:18 PST." <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
References: <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>  <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
Message-ID: <13205.985995179@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:22:18 -0800 
JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> wrote:

> On 11:05 AM 3/30/01, Ron Echeverri wrote:
> 1) Does mailman have a configuration setting such that everyone
> who is subscribed to a list can post unmoderated, but email from a
> non-subscriber will be sent to a moderator for approval?

Yes.  This is an option under privacy options.

You can also configure a list so that only a named set of addresses
can post to the list, regardless of their subscription status.

> To let some non-subscribers post without moderation (a practice
> that I personally feel has dubious value, since their question
> might be answered in a post to the list, perhaps in response to
> someone else asking the same question, but they won't see it
> because they aren't subscribed), how about implementing simple
> filter so that if a non-subscriber's post mentions one or more
> keywords, let it through to the list unmoderated, otherwise it
> goes to the moderator?

This is currently not possible under Mailman alone.  It quite easy
to do however via, say, a combo of procmail and mailman.

> 2) Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages
> that are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?

Yes, within the minor limitations of regular expressions.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From CMurray at stargate.ca  Sat Mar 31 02:12:02 2001
From: CMurray at stargate.ca (Chris Murray)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:12:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading sendmail broke mailman
Message-ID: <sac4b053.039@groupwisemail.stargate.ca>

I just upgraded my list server from sendmail 8.9.3 to sendmail 8.11.3 and now I am getting errors from smrsh about wrapper not available for sendmail programs.

smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" ....

any ideas what I should look at to fix this? I have compiled into my cf support for smrsh and have a link in /etc/smrsh to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

Thanks - Chris

======================================
Chris Murray
Network Services Specialist
cmurray at stargate.ca
Ph: 604-606-8988   Fax: 604-606-8998

Stargate Connections, Inc.
http://www.stargate.ca/
======================================




From reb at taco.com  Sat Mar 31 02:24:30 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer 
In-Reply-To: <6892.985994960@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from chuq von rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com>
 <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com>
 <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010330191924.020f81d8@taco.com>

At 03:29 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this one,
>there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control and
>alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
>influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
>tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.

I think putting bombs on airplanes is WRONG! Allowing terrorists
to make us scared and control and alter our behaviour, thereby granting
them power and influence over us is fundamentally WRONG!
So, we should ignore them and ban all airport security systems
because that's just part of caving in to the terrorists' demands...

reb

"If I ignore the future, maybe it will go away!"




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Mar 30 19:36:49 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:06:49 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way users can unsubscribe without a password?
In-Reply-To: <006b01c0b939$c362cb40$43c201cf@VAIO>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103302306230.682-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Mar 30, 2001 at 10:52, Mario Pacheco wrote:

>I would like to put Mailman to use in an organization I'm 
>doing some work for *however* there is too much resistance 
>to the idea of requiring users to provide a password to 
>unsubscribe.

Will this do what you want?

http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.





From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 31 02:54:42 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:54:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer 
In-Reply-To: Message from Phydeaux <reb@taco.com> 
   of "Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:24:30 EST." <5.0.2.1.0.20010330191924.020f81d8@taco.com> 
References: <Message from chuq von rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com> <200103301910.f2UJAXX22818@lists.apple.com>  <5.0.2.1.0.20010330191924.020f81d8@taco.com> 
Message-ID: <17321.986000082@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:24:30 -0500 
reb  <Phydeaux> wrote:

> At 03:29 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this
>> one, there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control
>> and alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
>> influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
>> tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.

> I think putting bombs on airplanes is WRONG! Allowing terrorists
> to make us scared and control and alter our behaviour, thereby
> granting them power and influence over us is fundamentally WRONG!

Agreed.

> So, we should ignore them and ban all airport security systems
> because that's just part of caving in to the terrorists'
> demands...

Being cognizant of one's environment is one thing; thus awareness of
terrorist situations and methods of control for them is not an
unreasonable action.  Allowing terrorist threat to modify an
otherwise desirable and reasonable action is another.  Not looking
both ways when crossing the street is simply silly.  Not crossing
the street because the possiblity exists that one may be struck by a
vehicle is also silly.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Sat Mar 31 03:53:38 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:53:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer 
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010330191924.020f81d8@taco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103301743330.25282-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

Let's develop the analogy here...

An airport security system can be likened to restricting posts 
to list subscribers.  Sure, we all have to stand in line and 
occasionally empty our pockets before we can get on a plane.  
This is a minor inconvenience, but a lot less annoying than 
getting blown out of the sky.

If only subscribers could post to the list, then people would 
have to take the extra two minutes to subscribe before they post
their questions.  They could easily unsub or select nomail after
they get what they need.  This doesn't seem like much of a 
"penalty" to get the great support (for a free product!) that 
this list provides.

While we're on the subject...spammers, hackers and terrorists
should all be shot on sight.

- Dave


On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Phydeaux wrote:

> At 03:29 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >Without questioning the boundaries of topic or religion on this one,
> >there's also the argument that allowing spammers to control and
> >alter our behaviour, and thereby granting them that power and
> >influence over us is fundamentally WRONG and that doing so is
> >tantamount to kowtowing to terrorists.
> 
> I think putting bombs on airplanes is WRONG! Allowing terrorists
> to make us scared and control and alter our behaviour, thereby granting
> them power and influence over us is fundamentally WRONG!
> So, we should ignore them and ban all airport security systems
> because that's just part of caving in to the terrorists' demands...
> 
> reb




From reb at taco.com  Sat Mar 31 03:18:39 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:18:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Personal Trainer 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103301743330.25282-100000@nishi.banzuke.com
 >
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010330191924.020f81d8@taco.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010330201700.026ece98@taco.com>

At 05:53 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, Dave Melton wrote:

>Let's develop the analogy here...
>
>An airport security system can be likened to restricting posts
>to list subscribers.  Sure, we all have to stand in line and
>occasionally empty our pockets before we can get on a plane.
>This is a minor inconvenience, but a lot less annoying than
>getting blown out of the sky.
>
>If only subscribers could post to the list, then people would
>have to take the extra two minutes to subscribe before they post
>their questions.  They could easily unsub or select nomail after
>they get what they need.  This doesn't seem like much of a
>"penalty" to get the great support (for a free product!) that
>this list provides.

Also, *VOLUNTEER* list administrators could sort the
wheat from the chaff and allow legitimate posts from non-members
onto the list, removing the subscription requirement completely!

>While we're on the subject...spammers, hackers and terrorists
>should all be shot on sight.

To quote from the "Cult of father Darwin" list...

         Let us prey...

                 reb




From david at idiomatrix.com  Sat Mar 31 04:59:44 2001
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:59:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and CommunigatePro?
Message-ID: <B6EAB24F.A70%david@idiomatrix.com>

Does anyone have any experience using Mailman with CommunigatePro from
Stalker Software? CGPro also has some list functionality, but I am already
running a number of lists with Mailman that I am loathe to have to move (to
say nothing of the fact that the list functionality in CGPro costs money I
don't have...)

Please copy me directly as I'm a digester...

/david

--
david herren    |   In an Internet without doors,
shoreham, vt    |   who needs Windows or Gates?




From ii at cipete.ekilat.com  Sat Mar 31 06:39:02 2001
From: ii at cipete.ekilat.com (ii at cipete.ekilat.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:39:02 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & qmail sporadic message loss
Message-ID: <20010331113902.A2726@cipete.ekilat.com>

I run a set of mailing lists using mailman and qmail.  I've got the lists set up fine, everything is running smoothly, except that sometimes people complain that they didn't receive a particluar message, while others have received it.  It has happened on more than one list, and with different members, so I think mailman is suspect.

I've looked in the qmail and mailman logs but haven't been able to pick up any errors.  I've searched google, read the docs, and skimmed the last 3 motnhs of this mailing list with no luck.  Has anyone ever seen a problem like this, or can anyone point me in the right direction?  Thanks.

I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 - here are my versions:

ii at host:~$ uname -a
Linux host 2.2.14-va.4.4-i586 #1 Tue Sep 5 15:18:51 PDT 2000 i686 unknown
ii at host:~$ dpkg -l | pgrep '(mailman)|(qmail)|(python)|(apache)'
ii  apache         1.3.14-2       Versatile, high-performance HTTP server
ii  apache-common  1.3.14-2       Support files for all Apache webservers
ii  libapache-mod- 2.7.1-1        Strong cryptography for Apache
ii  libapache-mod- 2.7.1-1        Documentation for Apache module mod_ssl
ii  mailman        2.0final-1     Powerful, web based list processor
ii  python-base    1.5.2-10       An interactive object-oriented scripting lan
ii  python-zlib    1.5.2-10       A compression module for Python using zlib.
ii  qmail          1.03-14        Secure, reliable, efficient, simple mail tra
ii  qmail-src      1.03-14        Source only package for building qmail binar




From chris at greatbridge.com  Sat Mar 31 14:11:09 2001
From: chris at greatbridge.com (Chris Ryan)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading sendmail broke mailman
References: <sac4b053.039@groupwisemail.stargate.ca>
Message-ID: <004701c0b9db$ac706f80$0301010a@games>

Chris,

    You need to change you /etc/aliases files to point to the symlink
wrapper in /etc/smrsh so:

my-list: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post my-list"

    should be:

my-list: "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post my-list"

hope this helps.

Chris Ryan
chris at greatbridge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Murray <CMurray at stargate.ca>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:12 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading sendmail broke mailman


> I just upgraded my list server from sendmail 8.9.3 to sendmail 8.11.3 and
now I am getting errors from smrsh about wrapper not available for sendmail
programs.
>
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" ....
>
> any ideas what I should look at to fix this? I have compiled into my cf
support for smrsh and have a link in /etc/smrsh to
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
> ======================================
> Chris Murray
> Network Services Specialist
> cmurray at stargate.ca
> Ph: 604-606-8988   Fax: 604-606-8998
>
> Stargate Connections, Inc.
> http://www.stargate.ca/
> ======================================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jeanmichel.guiraud at freesbee.fr  Sat Mar 31 14:21:11 2001
From: jeanmichel.guiraud at freesbee.fr (jean michel guiraud)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:21:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000a01c0b9dd$1323d400$b84aa13e@wanadoo.fr>

i have found a source via-rhine.c on your server but i don t see the header file via-rhine.h included 
thank you for your answer 
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From lcarter1 at cwctv.net  Sat Mar 31 14:53:37 2001
From: lcarter1 at cwctv.net (lcarter1 at cwctv.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:53:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE:Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs
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no



On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:25:05 -0500 mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
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From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu  Sat Mar 31 15:50:04 2001
From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:50:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish List
In-Reply-To: <E14jKvB-0005PD-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010331074748.04ac31b0@cuip.uchicago.edu>

At 06:56 AM 3/31/01, mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>From: "Robert V. MacQuarrie" <robert at provision.net>
>To: Phydeaux <reb at taco.com>
>cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wish List
>I
>These are very small discussion lists with perhaps 20 to 30 members. One
>of the policies regarding membership is that what gets discussed on these
>lists are not to be discussed with non-members and is grounds for
>immediate removal.

The first rule of Fight Club   ...


--
Mitchell Marks
CUIP Tech Coordinator    http://cuip.uchicago.edu
CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project
5640 S Ellis Ave  AAC-045, Univ of Chgo, Chgo IL 60637

[Homer goes to Honest John's Computers store.]
Homer: I just need something to receive e-mail.
Salesman: [Whistles in surprise.] You'll need a top-of-the-line machine for 
that!
                         The Simpsons, 2001




From sabidussi at nextra.at  Sat Mar 31 16:00:21 2001
From: sabidussi at nextra.at (Menega Sabidussi)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:00:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trim/cut/delete (was RE:Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs)
References: <02e6a2045121f31DTVMAIL7@smtp.cwctv.net>
Message-ID: <3AC5E2F5.C707DF49@nextra.at>

[lcarter1 at cwctv.net wrote:]
> no

followed by the complete digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs.

was this a demonstration that blocking 
completely quoted digests does *not* work 
or what specifically was that "no" actually a reply to?

please remember to trim.
thank you.

kind regards,
menega sabidussi




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Sat Mar 31 17:07:11 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:07:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now
  or not? 
In-Reply-To: <13205.985995179@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com>
 <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
 <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com>
 <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010331065752.03142790@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 03:32 PM 3/30/01, J C Lawrence wrote:
 >
 >> 2) Is [content filtering on the headers or body, to block messages
 >> that are in reply to an entire digest] possible with mailman?
 >
 >Yes, within the minor limitations of regular expressions.

So, in other words, it would be trivially easy for someone using mailman to 
configure their list to reject a post that said:

         Mailman-Users digest, Vol

in the subject (a header), but not so easy to reject a post that said:

         Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to

in the body.

<rant>
I'm just not sure.  I mean, if it's that easy, why hasn't THIS LIST BEEN 
CONFIGURED TO DO JUST THAT?????
</rant>

How do I know you aren't misleading me?  If it's that easy, certainly this 
list would have been properly configured.  I mean, letting a totally 
useless subject line stand in a post to be redistributed to the list is 
really letting your list membership down.  IMHO, ever responsible list 
administrator MUST put in filters to ensure that posts that are submitted 
to their subscribers follow list rules, when filtering for such rules is an 
easy thing to do.  A subject like "Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 
#1115 - 16 msgs" is clearly a violation of RFC 1855, if not also a 
violation of the list's specific rules.

It really should be an automatic feature of the mailing list software, 
whenever you add a digest.  List owners shouldn't have to do anything to 
trigger this, and the default behavior should be to bounce the 
non-compliant post back to the author with an explanation about why it's 
being automatically rejected (just as bounced mail gets sent back with a 
reason when the MTA can't deliver it).

Bingo, no more problems with digest users forgetting their manners and 
sending entire digests back to the list, all using the useless (to the 
other list members) digest subject line.


On 04:53 AM 3/31/01, lcarter1 at cwctv.net wrote:
>no
>
>
>
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:25:05 -0500 mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
>From: mailman-users-request at python.org
>Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs
>Reply-to: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.3 (101270)
>MIME-version: 1.0
>Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
>boundary=63.102.49.29.506.16634.986041441.093.10336
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:25:05 -0500
>Return-Path: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
>Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org







From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Sat Mar 31 17:10:34 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:10:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trim/cut/delete (was RE:Mailman-Users
  digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs)
In-Reply-To: <3AC5E2F5.C707DF49@nextra.at>
References: <02e6a2045121f31DTVMAIL7@smtp.cwctv.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010331070744.031535d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 06:00 AM 3/31/01, Menega Sabidussi wrote:
 >[lcarter1 at cwctv.net wrote:]
 >> no
 >
 >followed by the complete digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs.
 >
 >was this a demonstration that blocking
 >completely quoted digests does *not* work

Is there an option to block completely quoted digests?  That would be sweet!

My question asking if I could do anything (within mailman) to block based 
on Body content was answered with a NO.  However, even simple subject 
(header) blocking should have blocked this, and the other complete digest 
post we received a day earlier, as well.

jc




From netman at home.com  Sat Mar 31 17:53:08 2001
From: netman at home.com (Given)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:53:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] malaria mailing list
Message-ID: <002c01c0b9fa$b0306ca0$5ca10118@alsv1.occa.home.com>

I can't tell, from your website, how to sign on to mailing list. Nor do I
understand why I am directed to the software for list managers, etc. Do I
need your software to be on a Mailman mailing list?

Yours for the possibility of perfect health and affinity for all people
through complete loving-acceptance of self and others.




From josh at ssimr.com  Sat Mar 31 19:24:04 2001
From: josh at ssimr.com (josh at ssimr.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:24:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a subdomain for each list
Message-ID: <20010331122404.A12658@ssimr.com>

I want to create each list so that it is its own subdomain. 

So in setting up the test list, while I now have

http://www.ssimr.com/mailman/listinfo/test 

and

what I want is the web interface to be its own domail. I'd like this
to happen whenever I create a list.

http://test.ssimr.com/

-- 
Josh Kuperman
josh at ssimr.com
http://www.ssimr.com



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 31 21:12:07 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:12:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] trim/cut/delete (was RE:Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs) 
In-Reply-To: Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com> 
   of "Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:10:34 PST." <5.0.0.25.2.20010331070744.031535d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
References: <02e6a2045121f31DTVMAIL7@smtp.cwctv.net>  <5.0.0.25.2.20010331070744.031535d0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
Message-ID: <20143.986065927@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:10:34 -0800 
JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> wrote:

> On 06:00 AM 3/31/01, Menega Sabidussi wrote:
>> [lcarter1 at cwctv.net wrote:]
>>> no
>> followed by the complete digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16 msgs.
>> 
>> was this a demonstration that blocking completely quoted digests
>> does *not* work

> Is there an option to block completely quoted digests?  That would
> be sweet!

The compleat digest was not quoted.  Instead it was attached as a
message/RFC822 MIME part.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Mar 31 21:47:22 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:47:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List configuration options, available now or not? 
In-Reply-To: Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com> 
   of "Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:07:11 PST." <5.0.0.25.2.20010331065752.03142790@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
References: <Message from JC Dill <mailman@vo.cnchost.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> <200103291948.f2TJm0X08655@lists.apple.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010330120955.02b3bb10@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>  <5.0.0.25.2.20010331065752.03142790@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> 
Message-ID: <15677.986068042@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:07:11 -0800 
JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com> wrote:

> On 03:32 PM 3/30/01, J C Lawrence wrote:

> So, in other words, it would be trivially easy for someone using
> mailman to configure their list to reject a post that said:
>          Mailman-Users digest, Vol
> in the subject (a header), but not so easy to reject a post that
> said:
>          Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
> in the body.

Yes on both counts.  A trivial procmail script or hand written
filter can of course make this easy/trivial on both sides..

> <rant>I'm just not sure.  I mean, if it's that easy, why hasn't
> THIS LIST BEEN CONFIGURED TO DO JUST THAT?????</rant>

I've been on the Mailman lists for a couple years now.  These last
couple attached digests were the first time I've seen a fully quoted
digest on the Mailman lists.  I've also never seen it on my lists,
tho I have on other lists.

As such my perceived (and even quantifiable) risk assessment is
quite low.

> How do I know you aren't misleading me?  

Install Mailman on a spare system and have a look for yourself.  

> If it's that easy, certainly this list would have been properly
> configured.  

No.  You are making an assumption for which there is little to no
supporting logic, especially within your specialised definition of
"properly".  From a SysAdm level one (typically) does what one
considers is necessary and wise.  However those are perceived values
based on personal judgement, so their actual per case definitions
tend to vary quite broadly.

> I mean, letting a totally useless subject line stand in a post to
> be redistributed to the list is really letting your list
> membership down.

I do it all the time, deliberately, having determined many years ago
that getting list members (or Usenet or RIME/ILink/FIDO/etc members
back when) to maintain subject lines was a lost cause.  I've taken
it off the list of things I'm going to attempt to mandate.

To make it more intersting I have several digest members who
regularly post replies to an entire digest, individually quoting,
trimming and attributing each message withing the digest they are
replying to, but leaving the Subject: header of their reply
untouched and pointing back to the digest.

> IMHO, ever responsible list administrator MUST put in filters to
> ensure that posts that are submitted to their subscribers follow
> list rules, when filtering for such rules is an easy thing to do.

While I generically agree, I look at it as a problem of risks
assessment and effort.  

I'm interested in maximal risk assuagement versus minimal effort.
There are a very large, certainly in the mid to high tens of
thousands of things I could do with my lists and systems with
individually trivial levels of effort that would remove various
risks.  I have absolute confidence that those tens of thousands of
items will remain over the next years, just as they have remained
for the past years.  The return on the effort required is just not
large enough.  The risk and the gain is too small, even given the
minimal size of the effort required.

So from my vantage, yes this is a nice idea, but the perceived risk
is very low and the motivation to spend the time and effort to make
that configuration across all my lists, and thus assume the burden
of documenting and maintaining it over time and upgrades is just not
present.  

Others of course vary, as you do.

> A subject like "Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1115 - 16
> msgs" is clearly a violation of RFC 1855, if not also a violation
> of the list's specific rules.

Humans rarely have a strong interest in abiding by such rules, and
in my specific case of the multiple replies within a single message,
my appeals to split them out into individual messages fall on ears
(few current MUAs support digest bursting) and it is considerable
extra work for them.  As it happens this really bugs me as the list
archives are a major value and research resource for the field and
such collapsed messages fail to participate fully in that that
value.

> It really should be an automatic feature of the mailing list
> software, whenever you add a digest.  List owners shouldn't have
> to do anything to trigger this, and the default behavior should be
> to bounce the non-compliant post back to the author with an
> explanation about why it's being automatically rejected (just as
> bounced mail gets sent back with a reason when the MTA can't
> deliver it).

Mailman is currently missing the ability to define filters which
result in the automatic dropping or rejection of matching mail.
Instead they are all held in the moderation interface.  This is
unfortunate, and there is considerable interest in changing it.
However, nobody has as yet been sufficiently motivated to submit a
patch for the feature.

Now, outside of that, yes, I agree that it is reasonable for the
default set of regexes to be extended with patterns that also match
digests.  Given that the current defaults are:

  # Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
  to: friend at public.com
  message-id: relay.comanche.denmark.eu
  from: list at listme.com
  from: .*@uplinkpro.com

indicating that the structure to support such defaults is already
present, this seems a pretty minimal effort problem.

> Bingo, no more problems with digest users forgetting their manners
> and sending entire digests back to the list, all using the useless
> (to the other list members) digest subject line.

When may we expect your patch?

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--