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Today's Topics:

   1. Is it possible (Yanek Korff)
   2. Re: Is it possible (J C Lawrence)
   3. RE: Is it possible (Yanek Korff)
   4. Re: Is it possible (Brian Bilbrey)
   5. RE: Is it possible (Yanek Korff)
   6. AOL User Posts and =20 Problem (WeRBikers at aol.com)
   7. Re: AOL User Posts and =20 Problem (JC Dill)
   8. Not sending mail FIXED (Mike T. Gholson)
   9. RE: Not sending mail FIXED (Mike T. Gholson)
  10. Re: AOL User Posts and =20 Problem (J C Lawrence)
  11. Misdirected links on Administration Web Pages (installed
on OS X) (Raul)
  12. list subscriptions (Con Wieland)
  13. Re: list subscriptions (Chris Halverson)

Message: 1
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From: Yanek Korff <yanek at cigital.com>
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400
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to disable peoples' ability to subscribe if we set up a server
to do nothing
but handle mail archives?

-Yanek.

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On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400
Yanek Korff <yanek at cigital.com> wrote:

> to disable peoples' ability to subscribe if we set up a
server to
> do nothing but handle mail archives?

Sure, just don't enable the request/etc aliases.

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From: Yanek Korff <yanek at cigital.com>
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Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:47:31 -0400
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Well the problem is people are going to the web site, entering
their login
information and receiving something from the server saying reply to
confirm.
So the user thinks it's working.  No email goes to blah-request
until the
user attempts to confirm, at which point it bounces...  If
"Subscribe Here"
weren't on the web page, that would be a whole lot cleaner.

-Yanek.

-----Original Message-----
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On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400
Yanek Korff <yanek at cigital.com> wrote:

> to disable peoples' ability to subscribe if we set up a
server to
> do nothing but handle mail archives?

Sure, just don't enable the request/etc aliases.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:08:21 -0700
From: Brian Bilbrey <bilbrey at orbdesigns.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible
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On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 01:47:31PM -0400, Yanek Korff wrote:
> Well the problem is people are going to the web site,
entering their login
> information and receiving something from the server saying reply to
confirm.
> So the user thinks it's working.  No email goes to
blah-request until the
> user attempts to confirm, at which point it bounces...  If
"Subscribe Here"
> weren't on the web page, that would be a whole lot cleaner.

Then edit the contents of the web pages, remove that option.

from the admin/listname page, the link for doing this is in the second
column, marked * Edit the HTML for the public list pages

then edit the General list information page, remove the bits
that
provide subscription capablility, save and Bob's yer uncle.

regards,

.brian

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From: Yanek Korff <yanek at cigital.com>
To: 'Brian Bilbrey' <bilbrey at orbdesigns.com>,
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Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:54:41 -0400
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This cannot be done on a global scale?

-Yanek.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 01:47:31PM -0400, Yanek Korff wrote:
> Well the problem is people are going to the web site,
entering their login
> information and receiving something from the server saying
reply to
confirm.
> So the user thinks it's working.  No email goes to
blah-request until the
> user attempts to confirm, at which point it bounces...  If
"Subscribe
Here"
> weren't on the web page, that would be a whole lot cleaner.

Then edit the contents of the web pages, remove that option.

from the admin/listname page, the link for doing this is in the second
column, marked * Edit the HTML for the public list pages

then edit the General list information page, remove the bits
that
provide subscription capablility, save and Bob's yer uncle.

regards,

.brian

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Message: 6
From: WeRBikers at aol.com
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:18:40 EDT
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] AOL User Posts and =20 Problem
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Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I find no answer in
the FAQ or in
the GNU List Manangement Guide for v2.0 ... my apologies if
this is
repetitious. This pertains to version 2.0 of Mailman as
implemented on pair
Networks www.pairlist.net -- I have pursued emails to pair
support to no
solution, as have my posts to the pairList specific newsgroup.

When an AOL user ... versions 4,5, and 6 inclusive, posts to a
pairList the
immediate postings are delivered and appear normal to those
users receiving
in MIME or plain text formats. The digest formats are quite
screwed up in
that they show the AOL members' posts with =20 strings at the
end of each
line, then a repeat of the entire post with some HTML tags
visible. I know
AOL's email interpretation of HTML is half-assed at best, but
this is not
tolerable in its present form. These quirks hold true
regardless of the
       setting for a given member receiving the Digest format in MIME or
       plain text.
       AOL users are not given the choice of sending plain text vs.
       HTML email. It
       sends in pseudo-HTML by default and this is unchangeable. The
       vast majority
       of subscribers to my particular list are AOL members, so this
       is quite a
       problem.

       Anyone have a solution?

       Regards,
       Daniel
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       To: WeRBikers at aol.com, mailman-users at python.org
       From: JC Dill <mailman at vo.cnchost.com>
       Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL User Posts and =20 Problem
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       On 12:18 PM 5/29/01, WeRBikers at aol.com wrote:
       >When an AOL user ... versions 4,5, and 6 inclusive, posts to a
       pairList the
       >immediate postings are delivered and appear normal to those
       users receiving
       >in MIME or plain text formats. The digest formats are quite
       screwed up in
       >that they show the AOL members' posts with =20 strings at the
       end of each
       >line, then a repeat of the entire post with some HTML tags
       visible. I know
       >AOL's email interpretation of HTML is half-assed at best, but
       this is not
       >tolerable in its present form. These quirks hold true
       regardless of the
       >setting for a given member receiving the Digest format in MIME or
       plain text.
       >AOL users are not given the choice of sending plain text vs.
       HTML email. It
       >sends in pseudo-HTML by default and this is unchangeable. The
       vast majority
       >of subscribers to my particular list are AOL members, so this
       is quite a
       >problem.

       A quick search of this list's archives for the word "demime"
       finds:

       <http://search.python.org/query.html?rq=0&col=lists&ht=0&qp
       =&qt=demime&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&la =&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&oq
       =&rq=0&si=1>

       If you didn't know about "demime", you could search on "remove mime"
       and find

       <http://search.python.org/query.html?col=lists&ht=0&qp=&qt
       =%22remove+mime%22&qs=&qc
       =&pw=100%25&ws=0&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&rq=0&si=1>

       which has a post that references it.

       This should get you started.

       jc  (posted and emailed)

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       I finally determined where to fix my problem.  As you
       might remember, I was having trouble with a basic installation of
       Mailman on my Redhat Linux 7.1 box.

       While sendmail was working on it's own....  Mailman was not
       sending mail through that particular MTA.  After creating a
       new group, it wasn't sending a confirmation email to the list owner
       (me).

       The fix:
       I added this line to my mm_cfg.py file:
       DELIVERY_MODULE     = 'Sendmail'

       It defaults to:
       DELIVERY_MODULE     = 'SMTPDirect'

       There is also a warning concerning the use of the Sendmail
       module.  I'd rather use the default config, but, I can't get
       it to work correctly.

       Does this lead some of you to a possible reason why SMTPDirect might
       not work?  I have no clue.  Seems like it's checking for something
       and not getting what it needs....

       [m]

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       Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Not sending mail FIXED
       Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:35:49 -0700
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<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
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The server isn't creating the list alias correctly.
When I try to subscribe, the confirmation message bounces
back to me.  Ugh.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike T. Gholson
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:32 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not sending mail FIXED

I finally determined where to fix my problem.  As you
might remember, I was having trouble with a basic installation of Mailman
on my Redhat Linux 7.1 box.

While sendmail was working on it's own....  Mailman was not
sending mail through that particular MTA.  After creating a
new group, it wasn't sending a confirmation email to the list owner (me).

The fix:
I added this line to my mm_cfg.py file:
DELIVERY_MODULE     = 'Sendmail'

It defaults to:
DELIVERY_MODULE     = 'SMTPDirect'

There is also a warning concerning the use of the Sendmail
module.  I'd rather use the default config, but, I can't get
it to work correctly.

Does this lead some of you to a possible reason why SMTPDirect might not
work?  I have no clue.  Seems like it's checking for something and not
getting what it needs....

[m]

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To: WeRBikers at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL User Posts and =20 Problem
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On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:18:40 EDT
WeRBikers  <WeRBikers at aol.com> wrote:

> Anyone have a solution?

Use demime, stripmime, mimefilter or similar as a pre-filter on
your
list to strip the HTML attachments.

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Hola,

I've just installed Mailman 2.0.5 on OS X Client v10.0.3 (got
it to
compile, and deliver mail to the test mailing list), but I am
having
trouble with the web interface. After I successfully log in as
a list
administrator, the following links all take me to the General
Options page
<http://server/mailman/admin/test/> instead of their respective
pages:

* Tend to pending administrative requests
* Go to the general list information page
* Edit the HTML for the public list pages
* Go to list archives [if it is a private list, I can see the
archive if
it is public]

Also I can't get a subscriber options page to load. I am always
taken to
the Admin page (if I'm not logged in, it prompts me for a password).

I am using Sendmail and Apache. The relevant apache.conf lines
follow:

### Begin apache.conf excerpt
  # Mailman additions
     ScriptAlias /mailman/  /Users/mailman/Lists/cgi-bin/

#    <Directory /Users/mailman/Lists/cgi-bin/>
#        AllowOverride None
#        Options None
#        Order allow,deny
#        Allow from all
#    </Directory>

     Alias /Mmimages/ /Users/mailman/Lists/icons/

     <Directory /Users/mailman/Lists/icons/>
         Options Indexes MultiViews
         AllowOverride None
         Order allow,deny
         Allow from all
     </Directory>

     Alias /pipermail/ /Users/mailman/Lists/archives/public/

     <Directory /Users/mailman/Lists/archives/public/>
         Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
     </Directory>

     # end Mailman additions
### End apache.conf excerpt

I've tried the conf with the shown <Directory> tags commented
out and
included, with the same results.

I've looked at the logs, but for the most part clicking on the
links above
return status code 200, even though the page that gets returned
is not the
correct one.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Sincerely,
Raul.

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Hello

Does anyone know of a way to list all the lists an individual
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individual address) may be subscribed to on a server?

TIA
Con Wieland
UC Irvine

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On Wed, 30 May 2001 08:14:59 -0700, Con Wieland <cwieland at uci.edu> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to list all the lists an individual
(or
> individual address) may be subscribed to on a server?

~mailman/bin/find_member emailaddress

{cdh at enterprise} 10:31am (~mailman/bin) > ./find_member
cdh at completeis.com
cdh at completeis.com found in:
     staff
     cdhtest
     mrnet
     rmon
{cdh at enterprise} 10:31am (~mailman/bin) >

cdh

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