[Mailman-Users] Bounced mail going to Postmaster, not Mailman

Eric Ward eward at uarc.com
Sat Apr 6 18:12:58 CEST 2002

Mailman users:

I've got a problem.

I've recently setup Mailman 2.0.6 on RH 7.2 with Postfix 20011121snapshot using MySQL for user verification (with the virtual features).  I host a handful of different virtual mail domains on this machine, and setup a Mailman list called Natlpower for one of these virtual domains for a client.

They started using the list, and everything seems to be setup properly (that is, people received the messages, and can subscribe and unsubscribe with no problems).  However, they recently subscribed a large list of addresses.  When they sent out the first confirmation of this switch, I as postmaster for the local host received a dozen "Postmaster Copy: Undelivered Mail" messages, saying that this user is over quota, that this user doesn't exist, et cetera.  An example bounce is below, along with my Postfix configuration.

I do not want to receive these e-mails every time someone on the list sends out a message and the Postfix server gets these bounces.  However, I can't redirect all bounces to them, as most bounces won't be for their list.  I know that Mailman is supposed to handle these bounces and take action on them.

What am I supposed to do?  How can I configure Postfix to direct these bounce error messages to the "Errors-To: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org" address that appears in the Mailman message headers?  Or do I have to run a filter program to filter these bounce messages and redirect them to the 'natlpower-admin' alias?  And if the wrapper for this alias receives this bounce message, will it take the appropriate action according to its settings in the "Bounce" admin panel?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Below:  1) Postconf -n output; 2) Example bounce; 3) Maillog entries

Eric Ward

[root at tempest root]# postconf -n
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
command_directory = /usr/sbin
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
default_destination_concurrency_limit = 10
default_privs = nobody
default_transport = smtp
home_mailbox = Maildir/
inet_interfaces = all
local_destination_concurrency_limit = 2
luser_relay = ericward at xmission.com
mail_owner = postfix
mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail
maps_rbl_domains = blackholes.mail-abuse.org
mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf
mydomain = uarc.com
myhostname = tempest.uarc.com
mynetworks =
myorigin = $myhostname
notify_classes = resource, software, bounce, policy
program_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_recipient, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp, check_relay_domains
transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf
virtual_gid_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/gids.cf
virtual_mailbox_base = /
virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mailboxes.cf
virtual_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/remote_aliases.cf
virtual_uid_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/uids.cf

An example bounce is below:
Return-Path: <double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>
Received: from tempest.uarc.com [] by; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:45 -0700
Received: by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix)	id DC54A74535; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700 (MST)
Delivered-To: root at tempest.uarc.com
Received: by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix)	id 8EB5074540; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700 (MST)
From: MAILER-DAEMON at tempest.uarc.com (Mail Delivery System)
To: postmaster at tempest.uarc.com
Subject: Postmaster Copy: Undelivered Mail
Message-ID: <20020324014242.8EB5074540 at tempest.uarc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:42 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;	boundary="9E9417453F.1016934162/tempest.uarc.com"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Content-Description: Notification
Content-Type: text/plain

<arizerocs at hotmail.com>: host mx09.hotmail.com[] said: 552 Requested
    mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation

Content-Description: Delivery error report
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; tempest.uarc.com
Arrival-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; arizerocs at hotmail.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host mx09.hotmail.com[] said: 552
    Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation

Content-Description: Undelivered Message Headers
Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers

Received: from tempest.uarc.com (localhost.localdomain [])
	by tempest.uarc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9417453F
	for <arizerocs at hotmail.com>; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Welcome to the "Natlpower" mailing list
From: natlpower-request at wearepower.org
To: arizerocs at hotmail.com
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org
Errors-To: natlpower-admin at wearepower.org
X-BeenThere: natlpower at wearepower.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:natlpower-request at wearepower.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:natlpower at wearepower.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.wearepower.org/mailman/listinfo/natlpower>,
	<mailto:natlpower-request at wearepower.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: <natlpower.wearepower.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.wearepower.org/mailman/listinfo/natlpower>,
	<mailto:natlpower-request at wearepower.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.wearepower.org/pipermail/natlpower/>
Message-Id: <20020324014232.9E9417453F at tempest.uarc.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST)

Maillog Entries:

Mar 23 18:42:32 tempest postfix/cleanup[30818]: 9E9417453F: message-id=<20020324014232.9E9417453F at tempest.uarc.com>
Mar 23 18:42:32 tempest postfix/qmgr[24335]: 9E9417453F: from=<natlpower-admin at wearepower.org>, size=2346, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 23 18:42:32 tempest postfix/smtpd[30788]: 9E9417453F: client=localhost.localdomain[]
Mar 23 18:42:41 tempest postfix/smtp[30811]: 9E9417453F: to=<arizerocs at hotmail.com>, relay=mx09.hotmail.com[], delay=8, status=bounced (host mx09.hotmail.com[] said: 552 Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation)
Mar 23 18:42:42 tempest postfix/cleanup[30818]: 8EB5074540: message-id=<20020324014242.8EB5074540 at tempest.uarc.com>
Mar 23 18:42:42 tempest postfix/cleanup[30823]: DC54A74535: message-id=<20020324014242.8EB5074540 at tempest.uarc.com>
Mar 23 18:42:42 tempest postfix/qmgr[24335]: 8EB5074540: from=<double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>, size=2467, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 23 18:42:43 tempest postfix/local[30848]: 8EB5074540: to=<postmaster at tempest.uarc.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (forwarded as DC54A74535)
Mar 23 18:42:43 tempest postfix/qmgr[24335]: DC54A74535: from=<double-bounce at tempest.uarc.com>, size=2600, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 23 18:42:44 tempest postfix/smtp[30811]: DC54A74535: to=<eward at uarc.com>, relay=uarc.com[], delay=2, status=sent (250 OK)

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