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AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
listadmin at aerosmithfanclub.com
Tue May 14 08:06:42 CEST 2002
You obviously came in on the end of the conversation. My host no longer
offers it. I have 35+ web sites and it is a major PITA to switch
hosts. All I have been asking for is a little more flexibility to be
designed into the software. It just seems that every time that I ask how I
set up the list to do something I am told that it requires a hack as it is
not built into MM. The requests I am making are not (programmatically) big
issues at all. To tell you the truth I am all but floored that they are
not addressed in the software. Form looking at the code, it is rather easy
to see that the programmers are pretty damn good. It is rather surprising
to fellow programmers that one would tie the hands of users to the degree
they do is all.
TNX
At 07:57 AM 5/14/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Why not use Majordomo then??? You seem to like it a lot
>
>Mike
>
>---
>Michael Smith (Warlock on IRC)
>http://www.warlock.web.za/
>"The software said Windows95 or better...
> ...so I got Linux"
>
>
>On Mon, 13 May 2002, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
>
>> Well bully for you. Its just fine that you like it. I like it as well
>> just wish that it was not such a pain in the butt to do anything other than
>> the EXACT way the programmers dictate that they be done. The fact is that
>> the software is nit flexible at all. If you know anything about
>> programming other than being able to spout technobabble you will know what
>> I mean by that and that I am 100% accurate in saying it.
>> Keep in mind that pure numbers has no relation what so ever with quality
>> or anything else. If such a relationship did exist then AOL would be the
>> best software ever to hit the net and cockroaches would be the most
>> intelligent species on the face of the Earth.
>> Mailman is not even close to as flexible and easy to use as
>> Majordomo. You don't have to worry about all these FORCED "options" that
>> Mailman has. You don't have to keep track of all kinds of web pages that
>> are not even needed to run a mailing list. You don't have to hack your
>> system every time you want to set up a list option. All you need to do is
>> set a single config file and run your list spam free for years.
>> Of course if you are a anal retentive power junkie who has to feel like
>> you control aspect of a simple mailing list (as if was ever making any
>> difference to the operations thereof) you can add all these absurd FORCED
>> passwords, headers, queues of unrequested mail, etc. You don't have to put
>> up with any of that sort of junk with majordomo. (BTW the hack you
>> suggested in the FAQ is asinine. It also deletes all subscription requests
>> from making it to the admin. Your suggestions is akin to suggesting that
>> one burn down their house because a light bulb is burnt out.
>> If the programmers are so thin skinned that they cannot handle someone
>> pointing out shortcoming in heir code then they need to find other
>> work. It comes with the territory. When you release code you will get
>> feedback that with at least some frequency does not gloss over everything
>> and pretend that the said code is absolutely perfect.
>>
>> :)
>> Enjoy!
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Many of us love Mailman, and have been using it for what it was designed
>> >for, with whatever assumptions the developer(s) had in mind, for
quite some
>> >time.
>> >
>> >Considering that the software is Open Source, and that the
developer(s) has
>> >not charged you for it's use, or the owners/administrators of the server
>you
>> >are using, you've got quite a damn good deal!
>> >
>> >I suppose you could learn some programming and develop your own list that
>> >works perfectly for you, and you could ASS-U-ME for only your needs,
and no
>> >one elses. Or you could use any one of the other commercial programs
that
>> >are available, and pay some big bucks to do so. You might even get
exactly
>> >what you want, too.
>> >
>> >As far as comparing Mailman to Majordomo, Mailman in my opinion is way
>> >superior. But you do have options. You could find a hosting company
that
>> >offers Majordomo. It's a pain, I know, but then, that might be
easier for
>> >you in the long run, and then the developers who offered this
software for
>> >no cost and made it available to you and your server's owner wouldn't
need
>> >to read silly words that are in effect, insulting.
>> >
>> >Perhaps the biggest Ass is, in fact, you.
>> >
>> >> Herein lies the rub with the mailman program. The
>> >> programmers ASS-U-ME
>> >> that everyone using the software as full access to the server on
which it
>> >> is run. Many users have this in a shared server environment and these
>> >> "wonderful" patches to make up for short comings in the software
>> >> are not an
>> >> alternative. The software basically is not too bad. The fact there is
>> >> very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without
hacking a
>> >> lot of places is troubling. All of this type of things should
>> >> not even be
>> >> an issue. There should be options in the admin interface to
>> >> handle all of
>> >> this. Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward. All you do is
set a
>> >> single config file and bang you are on the way. With this you
>> >> have to hack
>> >> here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you
>> >> have no clue
>> >> what all has ben done!
>> >> The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at
>> >> all. It is
>> >> merely a cover up. The messages are still queued up and stored.
>> >> All that
>> >> happens is that a cron job nukes them. Heck bounced messages
should NOT
>> >> default to being stored anyway. You should have to enable it if
you want
>> >> it. The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail
that you
>> >> dont want. If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it
up to
>> >> be moderated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Hey man,
>> >> >
>> >> >Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages?
>> >> >
>> >> >Lewis
>> >> >
>> >> >At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote:
>> >> >>I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I
>> >> keep getting
>> >> >>these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying
>> >> that I have
>> >> >>to go approve or reject the post. Hey guess what, I made it closed
>> >> >>because I DONT want these posts. Go figure! So tell me how
>> >> do I make it
>> >> >>stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an
admin
>> >> >>queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts
>> >> in the first
>> >> >>place. if I did i would not have closed the list.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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