[Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

Richard Barrett r.barrett at openinfo.co.uk
Thu Jan 22 21:39:19 CET 2004

On 22 Jan 2004, at 14:19, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 6:52 AM +0000 2004/01/22, Richard Barrett wrote:
>>  If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and
>>  relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise
>>  its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward to suit most
>>  people.
> 	This still doesn't fix the entire rest of the Internet, or all the 
> other multitudes of Mailman installations.

And I did not say it would. Nor is it necessary to so do. Outlook is 
not wrong and nor is Mailman. Its just that some users are confused by 
what they see and some mailing list admins are equally confused about 
why their users are confused.

What I was trying to suggest was that:

1.  given that a very popular MUA displays a field on its graphical 
interface which is the conflation of the values of the Sender: and 
From: headers in messages it is processing.

2. because of an arbitrary choice by Mailman's developer's, aliases of 
the form listname-bounces are used in the SMTP reverse path and in the 
Sender: header of outgoing messages from the list management software.

3. because naive users, unschooled in the ways of RFCs and mail 
handling, are confused when presented by Outlook with the contents of 
the Sender: header generated by Mailman.

it might ameliorate the users confusion by adopting a different and 
less confusing alias to be used in the message's Sender: header and 
reverse path.

There is also the alternative of applying the hack I posted here on 


What the hell. I do not really care about the problem per se  - my 
subscribers are not complaining - nor can I be bothered any more to 
argue the toss with you guys about it.

Richard Barrett                               http://www.openinfo.co.uk

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