[Mailman-Users] listowners list?

Brad Knowles brad.knowles at skynet.be
Mon Jun 28 13:54:35 CEST 2004

At 12:00 PM +0100 2004-06-28, Richard Barrett wrote:

>  Steve, the author of the original question, is correct about there
>  having been a list for mailman list owners which was operational until
>  quite recently: http://listowner.org and lo at listowner.org

	Indeed, after seeing that message, I re-checked the list of 
mailman mailing lists at <http://www.list.org/lists.html> and noticed 
that it was there.  I don't know why, but I must have missed that 
every single previous time I saw that page.

>  But it has dropped off the radar of late; the most recent post to it
>  I received is dated April 2004

	There seems to have been some problems with it before then -- see 
Barry's message dated Mon Jan 12 18:28:24 EST 2004 at 

>  The listowner.org DNS entries are still there but I have no idea what
>  has happened to the site or mailing lists associated.

	It looks like it's off-the-air:

% lft www.listowner.org.

Tracing _____________________________________________________________________

TTL  LFT trace to airband-69-26-234-42.airband.net (
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 1
  2   1-233.242.81.adsl.skynet.be ( 23.5ms
  3   at-0-2-0--0-224.iadslbnc1.isp.belgacom.be ( 39.7ms
  4   ge1-0.intlmar1.isp.belgacom.be ( 31.8ms
  5   ge-8-1.hsa2.brussels1.level3.net ( 23.3ms
  6   so-5-0-0.mp2.brussels1.level3.net ( 21.5ms
  7   so-3-0-0.mp1.london2.level3.net ( 21.8ms
  8   as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net ( 105.9ms
  9   so-7-0-0.edge1.washington1.level3.net ( 107.6ms
10   ge-2-2-0--101.er01.asbn.eli.net ( 109.2ms
11   so-2-0-0--0.cr02.mcln.eli.net ( 109.6ms
12   p10-0.cr01.dlls.eli.net ( 149.8ms
13   srp2-0.cr02.dlls.eli.net ( 145.8ms
14   p7-0.cr02.phnx.eli.net ( 165.9ms
15   srp0-0-0.gw02.phnx.eli.net ( 167.0ms
16   gw-cust-airband2-dom.phnx.eli.net ( 188.6ms
17   airband-69-26-225-126.airband.net ( 176.1ms
18   airband-69-26-225-142.airband.net ( 184.5ms
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 19
20   airband-66-226-237-150.airband.net ( 184.4ms
**   [80/tcp failed]  Try alternate options or use -V to see packets.

	There is an advertised mail server:

% dig listowner.org. mx

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> listowner.org. mx
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 8718
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 0

;listowner.org.                 IN      MX

listowner.org.          86400   IN      MX      0 sparky.cisto.org.

listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      c.ns.cisto.org.
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      ns1.cisto.com.
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      ns2.cisto.com.
listowner.org.          86400   IN      NS      b.ns.cisto.org.

;; Query time: 227 msec
;; WHEN: Mon Jun 28 13:47:57 2004
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 140

	However, all I get is a timeout when I try to connect to this machine:

% telnet sparky.cisto.org. 25
telnet: connect to address Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

	I can trace to it fine, though:

% lft sparky.cisto.org.

Tracing _____________________________________________________________________

TTL  LFT trace to airband-69-26-234-42.airband.net (
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 1
  2   1-233.242.81.adsl.skynet.be ( 23.5ms
  3   at-0-2-0--0-224.iadslbnc1.isp.belgacom.be ( 53.4ms
  4   ge1-0.intlmar1.isp.belgacom.be ( 23.4ms
  5   ge-8-1.hsa2.brussels1.level3.net ( 21.5ms
  6   so-5-0-0.mp2.brussels1.level3.net ( 30.2ms
  7   so-3-0-0.mp1.london2.level3.net ( 23.3ms
  8   as-0-0.bbr2.washington1.level3.net ( 106.0ms
  9   so-7-0-0.edge1.washington1.level3.net ( 108.5ms
10   ge-2-2-0--101.er01.asbn.eli.net ( 110.2ms
11   so-2-0-0--0.cr02.mcln.eli.net ( 108.1ms
12   p10-0.cr01.dlls.eli.net ( 147.3ms
13   srp2-0.cr02.dlls.eli.net ( 145.9ms
14   p7-0.cr02.phnx.eli.net ( 167.9ms
15   srp0-0-0.gw02.phnx.eli.net ( 186.0ms
16   gw-cust-airband2-dom.phnx.eli.net ( 186.6ms
17   airband-69-26-225-126.airband.net ( 184.4ms
18   airband-69-26-225-142.airband.net ( 190.5ms
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 19
20   airband-66-226-237-150.airband.net ( 186.5ms
**   [80/tcp failed]  Try alternate options or use -V to see packets.

	Maybe we need to give Norbert a call?  Unfortunately, while his 
address appears to be in Switzerland, the phone number appears to be 
in the US:

% whois -h whois.pir.org. listowner.org
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Domain ID:D86029934-LROR
Created On:27-Apr-2002 15:12:34 UTC
Last Updated On:08-Jan-2004 20:37:06 UTC
Expiration Date:27-Apr-2005 15:12:34 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R63-LROR
Registrant ID:NB2023-BR
Registrant Name:Norbert Bollow
Registrant Organization:Norbert Bollow
Registrant Street1:Weidlistrasse 18
Registrant City:Gr|t
Registrant State/Province:Switzerlan
Registrant Postal Code:8624
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:nb at pobox.com
Admin ID:NB1852-BR
Admin Name:Norbert Bollow
Admin Organization:listowner.org
Admin Street1:Weidlistrasse 18
Admin City:Gruet
Admin State/Province:Switzerlan
Admin Postal Code:CH-8624
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4119722059
Admin Email:nb at pobox.com
Tech ID:NB1852-BR
Tech Name:Norbert Bollow
Tech Organization:listowner.org
Tech Street1:Weidlistrasse 18
Tech City:Gruet
Tech State/Province:Switzerlan
Tech Postal Code:CH-8624
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.4119722059
Tech Email:nb at pobox.com
Name Server:B.NS.CISTO.ORG
Name Server:C.NS.CISTO.ORG

Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

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