[Mailman-Users] logs/ permissions keep changing, running check_perms -f multiple times!

Brad Knowles brad.knowles at skynet.be
Mon May 3 14:59:46 CEST 2004

At 4:40 AM +0200 2004/05/03, David Ljung Madison wrote:

>  Brad Knowles says:
>>  <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.007.htp>.
>  Thanks muchly - that was pretty much it.

	Glad I could help!

>  By the way - Brad.  I would've sent this to you directly, but your ISP
>  is blocking my email.  Please see:
>    http://getdave.com/skynet.txt

	According to the IP address listed (, you're a 
PacBell/SBC ADSL customer, and many blacklists for dynamic IP 
addresses will include all known ADSL customers.  See 

	Given the extremely high frequency of zombies and open proxies on 
ADSL lines, I'm surprised that you're not having much worse problems 
getting your e-mail rejected or silently thrown away.

	If possible, I'd encourage you to try to get a static IP address 
assigned to you by PacBell/SBC that is not in this same block. 
Alternatively, you may want to try to route your outbound mail 
through their server, or find an alternative mail services provider 
that will allow you to route outbound e-mail through them.

	If you want to go with a co-location provider (as opposed to 
virtual hosting, or other services-only offerings), you may be 
interested in the list at <http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/>.

	Unfortunately, when it comes to Skynet, they're pretty clueless. 
Everyone with a clue left when Skynet was re-absorbed back into the 
parent company Belgacom (the former PTT for Belgium, and still 51% 
owned by the gov't).  One of my former co-workers from Skynet is so 
disenchanted with the employment situation now that he's getting out 
of Unix/Internet system administration completely, and I think he 
said that he's going to go work in Pizza Hut.

	Skynet is so clueless that they are in the rfc-ignorant.org black 
list, because they refuse to accept abuse@ e-mail, and instead try to 
force everyone to go through a web page.  Looks like they've gotten 
worse and now won't accept any complaints from anyone who is not a 

	They pretty much deserve whatever they get.

	Unfortunately, I'm pretty much stuck using Skynet as my Internet 
access provider.  Belgacom is the only DSL provider allowed by law, 
and all other ISPs that resell Belgacom DSL service are much worse.

	Cablemodem isn't an option, either.  When we asked the monopoly 
cable provider years ago, they said that they were upgrading 
neighborhood-by-neighborhood, and that our neighborhood wasn't 
scheduled to be upgraded for several years.  They said that they'd 
call us if/when they ever got around to upgrading the network in this 


	Anyway, if anyone needs another way to get e-mail to me, you can 
try brad at stop.mail-abuse.org or brad at shub-internet.org.  However, 
each of them run their own different sets of blacklists, so you may 
or may not be able to get through to one or the other, or possibly 

	I am working on getting my own co-location server set up, and 
once I do that I'll be moving all my traffic and virtual domains 
directly to that machine, where I will have a lot more control over 
what black lists are run, etc....

Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles at skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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