[Mailman-Users] Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation

Stephen J. Turnbull stephen at xemacs.org
Wed Sep 8 03:58:16 CEST 2004

>>>>> "macangels" == <macangels at spamcop.net> writes:

    macangels> I really get sick of Apple when they make a hullabaloo
    macangels> about " woo-woo " Open Source software and then ditch
    macangels> their clients with no support for it afterwards.

But this is exactly what open source is about: we support each other.
For products like Mailman, it's "cheaper, faster, better---pick any

In some sense, finding products with active user communities and
delegating support to them is exactly what Apple should do.  Add some
very generic support services like helping you find the appropriate
mailing lists/newsgroups for each application.  In particular cases,
provide high-quality support internally for a "flagship" product.

What Apple think they're doing with Server, I don't know.  It doesn't
make sense to me to trumpet open source and then not provide source
for server subsystems, especially those like Mailman that are clearly
3rd party cake with a little Apple-flavored frosting.

    macangels> You know, for a few dollars more, they could have made
    macangels> this a truly Apple experience,

Sure, but there is an infinite supply of "a few dollars more would
make it a truly Apple experience" tasks, but only a finite number of
dollars/developer hours.  The point of open source is that those
dollars or hours don't have to come from Apple, at least not for the

Anyway, it sounds to me like the thing to do here is to find out how
to rip the Apple-provided version of Mailman out of Server so that you
can safely install the upstream version.  Put that in the FAQ, submit
it to Apple's knowledge base (not that I expect them to add it ;-),
along with Peter's description of how to install Mailman if the system
is not pre-corrupted with Apple's version.

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