[Mailman-Users] Red Hat FHS packaging

Andy Heath cycling at axelrod.plus.com
Wed Jun 15 19:20:00 CEST 2005

John Dennis wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 08:05 +0100, Andy Heath wrote:
>>A plea  to Redhat - if you are going to purloin
>>mailman and do it with FHS then a file that
>>accompanies the mailman distribution that explains
>>how to do a manual build that conforms to the way
>>RH does it would be very useful - a "how to manually
>>build for FC£ (which ends up with files in the same
>>places as FC has them).
> There is indeed a file that recreates the build, it's the src rpm and
> it's readily available. The src rpm contains the virgin tarball, all the
> current patches, and the mailman.spec spec file that controls the build.
> Users familiar with distributions utilizing rpm as the packaging tool
> (of which Red Hat / Fedora is only just one example) routinely download
> src rpms, tweak them for their own use and rebuild. This is standard
> practice.
>>Since you need to
>>be following the development and dealing with
>>that issue anyway I can't see that it is any
>>extra work to write up the method and keep that
>>up to date and contributed to the mm distribution.
> It's not appropriate for the mailman project to maintain rpms, this is
> the domain of distributions which repackage "upstream". This has been
> the working model of open source development almost since its inception.
>>As its not extra cost the only reason I can see
>>that RH would NOT do that is to lock persons in
>>to RH.
> Everything you have asked for is available, free, and transparent. I
> suspect your conclusions are driven by a lack of familiarity with how to
> find what you are looking for rather than anything devious. To suggest
> disingenuous lock in by Red Hat is utter nonsense.
Sorry John and I don't mean to be rude
but I think this is salespersons bs.
It comes across to me as "our product does everything,
you want so you don't need anything else".

Many open source software products provide small text
installation documentation files that explain what
is needed for particular platforms - for example
the XFree86 distributions used to (dunno if they
still do).  The answer "come look over here at
our product" doesn't cut it with me.  There is
mutual co-operation
and there is "come look over here and you won't
need anything else".  You seem to be displaying
the second.

I differ from your view.

No offence intended.


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