[Mailman-Users] MM lists on Gmane
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Mon Sep 18 18:26:51 CEST 2006
Jason R. Mastaler wrote:
> On 9/17/06 11:20 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>>> Great, thanks Barry. I'll take care of getting the MM lists + back
>>> archives added to Gmane. The missing Python lists are someone else's
>>> problem <wink>. Since MM is your project, shouldn't your words above
>>> be sufficient as far as permission to add the lists? Or are you
>>> saying some sort of additional request from Gmane is also necessary?
>> Barry has clearly stated "if the Gmane administrators make a formal
>> request" and this was the point that past mirroring (or archiving)
>> requests were rejected, IIRC.
> Yes I read that, but it seems pointless to me since Barry has also
> clearly stated he approves of the lists being added. Like I said, when
> the lists are added, the list-owner address will be notified, as that is
> the normal procedure. Is this sufficient?
While Barry is the primary developer and primary list owner, he does NOT
manage these lists alone. Many of you may be unaware that Brad Knowles
and I have been doing almost all of the list management in recent years.
Brad and I are both against adding mailman to gmane for a number of
reasons. Here are 2 of my reasons (Brad may have others):
1) Gmane has been a PITA from day one because they don't follow their
own policies. (Read the archives for all the details.) I don't trust
them. Who knows what they will do in the future without notifying us?
2) Even if Gmane wasn't a PITA, there are increased problems with
managing a list when it's gatewayed to usenet. (Example - allowing
posts from non-subscribers. Either we end up with thread fragmentations
where some people get the non-member posts and others don't, or the list
managers have to deal with non-member posts being gatewayed back to the
list.) We are busy enough as it is when we manage it as just a mailing
If Barry wants to let the list be gatewayed to gmane and usenet over our
objections, he is certainly entitled to do that. It will also mean that
he will need new people to help manage the various lists that Brad and I
help manage because I'm with Brad on this - gateway to gmane without
even asking my opinion and I'm no longer interested in helping manage
the list. We (the people on mailman-users-owner who do the lion's share
of the work in managing the lists) deserve to be consulted and have our
opinions heard on this matter.
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