[Mailman-Users] Message received by mailman and archives, but won't deliver

Kyle Banerjee kyle.banerjee at gmail.com
Fri Aug 31 05:10:52 CEST 2007

Thanks for the advice -- I believe your suggestion that the issue is
related to OutgoingRunner is most likely correct, but I'm not out of
the woods yet.

> >How much time? They should appear almost immediately in qfiles/out/
> >unless they've been spending time in qfiles/retry/.

This was probably the wrong thing to do, but out of frustration, I
blasted out my installation, put in a clean install, and recovered the
list itself from backup using instructions at

This has had the effect of clearing logs and removing ineffective and
possibly harmful changes I made. I'm still having problems delivering

I've sent a few messages to the lists over the past couple hours. Here
is what I'm seeing:

1) The files are appearing almost immediately in qfiles/out/ where
they seem to stay. Nothing is in retry or the other qfiles

2) Even a couple hours later, nothing shows up in post, smtp, or
smtp-failure. However, someone who belonged to one of the lists sent
one through. I found the entry

Aug 31 02:18:53 2007 (40546)
<01F67337-E566-4AA4-B684-01C9E2F3F9FB at mac.com> smtp to innopac for
2014 recips, completed in 11231.212 seconds

The amount of time for the transaction seems insane. Load is
practically nonexistent.

3) When I send a message to the list, maillog makes it look like
everything happened. For example, if I send it to the list with 4
people in it

Aug 31 02:47:54 innopacusers sm-mta[52010]: l7V2lmww052010:
from=<namedeleted at gmail.com>, size=5888, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<47eed6660708301947g661c9557ocaeb52af48e48260 at mail.gmail.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon
=MTA-v4, relay=wa-out-1112.google.com []
Aug 31 02:48:01 innopacusers sm-mta[52012]: l7V2lmww052010:
to=namedeleted2 at bus.umich.edu, delay=00:00:07, xdelay=00:00:02,
mailer=esmtp, pri=156118, relay=bus-ex02.bus.umich.edu.
[], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (
<47eed6660708301947g661c9557ocaeb52af48e48260 at mail.gmail.com> Queued
mail for delivery)
Aug 31 02:48:02 innopacusers sm-mta[52012]: l7V2lmww052010:
to=namedeleted3 at Colorado.edu , delay=00:00:08
, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=156118, relay=mx10.colorado.edu.
[], dsn=2.0.0, stat=
Sent (Ok: queued as 31AB7C4A4B0)
Aug 31 02:48:03 innopacusers sm-mta[52012]: l7V2lmww052010:
to=namedeleted4 at gmail.com, delay=00:00:09, x
delay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=156118,
relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. [], dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent (OK 1188528483 a70si1963649pye)
Aug 31 02:48:04 innopacusers sm-mta[52012]: l7V2lmww052010:
to=fleckn at mail.lib.msu.edu, delay=00:00:10, x
delay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=156118,
relay=mail1.mail.lib.msu.edu. [], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (
<47eed6660708301947g661c9557ocaeb52af48e48260 at mail.gmail.com> Queued
mail for delivery)
Aug 31 02:48:22 innopacusers sm-mta[52012]:
l7V2lmww052010:to=namedeleted5 at oregonstate.edu, delay=00:00:28,
xdelay=00:00:18, mailer=esmtp, pri=156118,
relay=relay.oregonstate.edu. [], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(Ok: queued as 5D01C410AE6)

The handoff to mailman shows up and it appears in /qfiles/out
Aug 31 02:40:58 innopacusers sm-mta[51781]: l7V2ep7j051777:
to="|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
webguru" , ctladdr=<webguru at innopacusers.org> (26/0), delay=00:00:01,
00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31857, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

> In fact, in a well running Mailman installation qfiles/out/ is normally
> empty except for the occasional entry you see for a second or so while
> it's waiting to be picked up. (In 2.1.9, it will remain longer as a
> *.bak file while it is being processed by
> OutgoingRunner/SMTPDirect.py.)
> If *.pck files are hanging around in qfiles/out/, either there is a
> backlog (probably due to a configuration issue if it persists), or
> there is some problem with OutgoingRunner.

This sounds like my problem. OutgoingRunner is running

mailman 40546  0.0  1.7 19204 17236  ??  S    11:11PM   0:01.49
/usr/local/bin/python2.4 /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s

I can easily buy that there's a config issue, but the strange thing is
that we were functional for years and all of a sudden quit working
(having said that, we have a hosted server, so it's conceivable
something was done to our machine -- it's happened before).

I don't understand how OutgoingRunner works -- any suggestions for
directions for me to explore in seeing if my sendmail or mailman
config is screwing things up? Thanks,


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