[Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits

[Jason Pruim]

Well if we are all going to throw in our hats... www.raoset.com/hosting/

As long as you don't bring my server down I don't put limits on stuff ;)


On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:

> You can also check out my services at http://www.emwd.com/ 
> mailman.html. I do
> not place any sort of message limits on my mailman clients.
>
> Kind regards,
> Brian Carpenter
> --------------------------------------
> EMWD -  Executive Officer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf  
> Of Ivan
> Van Laningham
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:39 AM
> To: rajasekhar at columbia.edu; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman
> message limits
>
>
> Hi All--
> I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500
> members apiece.  I have a dedicated server with Godaddy.  They told me
> that yes, I could run mailing lists.  They didn't tell me in advance
> that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day.  I
> discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation
> and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset.
>
> In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide
> documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have.  I
> think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification.   
> It was
> definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists
> are newsletters sent to customers.  It follows that if you are a
> capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and  
> only
> the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from
> inundating the net with enlargement ads.
>
> You have to provide samples of your "newsletters," which is a bit
> difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your  
> subscribers.
>
> I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of
> subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit.   
> Godaddy cut
> that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages  
> went
> through without a hitch.  Later, I realized that my calculations were
> off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the  
> transmissions
> so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought.  This would be
> different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any  
> need
> for that.
>
> All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive.  I lease a far
> better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less  
> than I
> did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get  
> _substantial_
> discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance:  
> _ask_).  I
> get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit,
> not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't  
> access it
> with IE.  Use only Firefox).
>
> The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is
> not the best.  Mostly, it consists of asking, "Did you read the FAQ on
> xxx?", stating "There is nothing wrong with our mail system," or  
> saying,
> "I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force  
> you to
> use it."  (This last despite the fact that the software in question is
> the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use
> it by default.  They say you can install whatever you want on your
> system.)  You'll end up googling a lot.  You learn quickly,  
> however. ;-)
>
> If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a
> dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't
> get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the
> machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a
> chroot box).
>
> They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I
> never really considered those.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Metta,
> Ivan
>
> Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote:
>>
>> We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the
>> SMTP
>> servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other  
>> mail so
>> the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name?  
>> Or is
> it
>> that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary?
>>
>> Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there
>> commercial
>> places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the  
>> number of
>> messages?
>>
>
> -- 
> Ivan Van Laningham
> God N Locomotive Works
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> http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/ 
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> Army Signal Corps:  Cu Chi, Class of '70
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