[Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo

Brian Carpenter brian at emwd.com
Thu Feb 21 01:31:10 CET 2008

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org [mailto:mailman-
> users-bounces+brian=emwd.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen J.
> Turnbull
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:33 PM
> To: Charles Marcus
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
> Charles Marcus writes:
>  > No one has a 'Right' to talk to anyone else's mail server.
> Everybody here concedes that, I think.
>  > If they aren't playing well, document it: let anyone who uses your
>  > services know that if THEY choose to use a problematic service, that
> is
>  > their choice and their risk (of lost messages).
> But the problem is that *Brian* (as an example) is an ISP whose
> reliability comes into question not because *his* customers use Yahoo,
> but because *his customers'* customers (subscribers, whatever) use
> Yahoo.  His customers are paying him money so that he takes care of
> the mail; they do not want to tell their customers to change their
> mail services.
> Worst of all, if spam gets through, it's definitely Yahoo's fault
> (although shared with everybody else in the pipeline); they *could*
> have stopped it, for sure.  But if mail delivery is poor, you get
> fingers pointing in every direction, and Yahoo is quite justified in
> claiming that even if they make their best effort, they can't deliver
> mail that got lost somewhere else.  Yahoo's customers are going to be
> disposed to believe that the problem is indeed elsewhere (the
> alternative is accepting their own responsibility for choosing a
> broken service, you see).
> So Brian (and other ISPs/hosting services like his) is caught in the
> middle.  He can't guarantee reliability because that depends on the
> customers' customer base, but reliability is what he takes pride in.
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