[Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Stephen J. Turnbull
stephen at xemacs.org
Fri Feb 22 05:24:01 CET 2008
Attila Kinali writes:
> It's still not graylisting. [...] The "refused to talk to me"
> makes it clear that my server didn't even get a greeting, but above
> error message instead. So, yahoo doesn't even know who the sender
> or recipient is. Ie, the whole thing is IP based.
OK, that's a lot more punitive than they make it sound.
> > The problem that Yahoo faces is that not only is their hardware
> > distributed, so is their wetware. It's a lot easier for one person to
> > handle a few clues about the easy problems that one person can handle
> > than for an organization to deal with many clues about the much harder
> > problems of scaling to Yahoo size.
> I know it's not easy. I see what kind of problems i have with only
> one domain. But yahoo could at least talk to me in a proper way so
> that we could find a solution together.
You're anthropomorphizing. There *is no Yahoo* that can talk to you
in a proper way. Only employees. Look at it this way: a bureaucracy
*is* like a machine, so designing an organization in which the
employees behave like human beings toward non-paying-customers is very
similar to writing a good UI for a large program --- but orders of
magnitude harder. And you know how hard UI is.
I dunno, it sounds like all we can really do is boycott Yahoo, as you
suggested in the first place. Whether they'll care, I don't know.
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