[Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue

[Michael Kabot]

Mark,

My apologies, I should have noted that 
 - I have Bounce Processing turned off
 - I have the -bounces address forwarding to the -owner address.  With
Bounce Processing off I still needed bounce messages to go back to the list
owner
     |/var/qmail/bin/preline /var/qmail/bin/mm_wrapper
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman
       owner [LISTNAME]


| -----Original Message-----
| From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
| Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:45 AM
| To: mkabot at soarol.com; mailman-users at python.org
| Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Message, ReturnPath/ErrorsTo issue
| 
| Michael Kabotwrote:
| 
| >Configuration
| >- CentOS 5 64 bit
| >- Mailman 2.1.9
| >- Qmail with Plesk 8.3 mods
| >
| >I have an interesting bounce issue occurring.
| >- Email is sent to a Mailman List
| >- List sends to each address
| >- One of the addresses bounces
| >- The bounce message ends with the right FROM and TO headers, but the
| wrong
| >RETURN-PATH and ERRORS-TO headers.
| >
| >Is this a Mailman or Qmail issue?
| >
| >Here is the bounce message
| >
| >------------------
| >Return-Path: <mailman-bounces@[WRONGDOMAIN.COM]>
| >Received: (qmail 28263 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:36 -
| 0400
| >Received: from localhost (HELO [MAIL.RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]) (127.0.0.1)
| >  by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jul 2008 14:46:36 -0400
| 
| 
| It looks like below here up to my next comment are the actual bounce
| notice headers with Return-Path: <> indicating a null envelope from
| which should be the case for a normal bounce.
| 
| The headers above here look like Mailman received this bounce and
| resent it to a list owner. When sending to a list owner, Mailman sets
| the envelope from the site list (mailman) -bounces address. Is
| [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] the domain of the site list?

Neither [RIGHTDOMAIN.COM] or [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] are the domain of the
'mailman' site list.  [WRONGDOMAIN.COM] is coincidentally the last
add_virtualhost line of my config file.

Where in the code are these being added to the -owner address?

| 
| >Return-Path: <>
| >Delivered-To: [LISTNAME]-bounces@[RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]
| >Received: (qmail 28252 invoked for bounce); 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400
| >Date: 2 Jul 2008 14:46:34 -0400
| >From: MAILER-DAEMON@[MAIL.RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]
| >To: [LISTNAME]-bounces@[RIGHTDOMAIN.COM]
| >Subject: failure notice
| 
| 
| And the header below may have also been added by Mailman in resending.
| 
| 
| >Errors-To: mailman-bounces@[WRONGDOMAIN.COM]
| >
| 
| 
| The thing that's strange in all the above is that Mailman (at least
| standard GNU Mailman) doesn't redirect bounces like this. It sends a
| totally new message to the list owner with the original bounce
| attached.
| 
| Also, assuming [BADEMAIL ADDRESS]: in the notice was enclosed in <> as
| in <bad at example.com>:, it would not have been an unrecognized bounce
| in 2.1.9.
| 
| Is this Mailman 2.1.9 installed from our distribution, or is it a Plesk
| or other package?

I think the modification of -bounces to -owner and Bounce Processing turned
off would explain the format above.


  
In Service,
 
Michael Kabot
President - SOAR
mkabot at soarol.com