[Mailman-Users] Outlook Indenting messages

Gerrat Rickert grickert at coldstorage.com
Mon Jul 27 17:22:15 CEST 2009

>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark at msapiro.net]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:56 AM
>>>>To: Gerrat Rickert; mailman-users at python.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Indenting messages
>>>>Gerrat Rickert wrote:
>>>>>Recently, and in the past, when posting to a python mailing list
>>>>>this one specifically), my message has been indented and placed
>>>>>the last message (of a completely unrelated post).
>>>>>-ie. it looks like I've hijacked a thread.
>>>>I assume you are talking about your message in the pipermail
>>>>If so, can you point at one such in the archives of a list?
>>>Yes, this message:
>>I see the incorrect threading of the above message in the index
>><http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2009-June>. I also
>>see other threading anomalies in the same index.
>>I downloaded the twisted-python.mbox/twisted-python.mbox file from
>>twistedmatrix.com and built the May and June archive from it in a test
>>2.1.9 Mailman. For example at the end of
>><http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2009-June> I see

>>You can see in the twistedmatrix.com index two cases where the second
>>post in a thread is indented to level 3 instead of level 1 which is
>>clearly wrong. You can also see that in the archive I built, your
>>thread starts at level 0 as it should.
>>Also note that this apparently has nothing to do with Outlook.. There
>>is a similarly indented post in early June -
>>[Twisted-Python] Application Design help - Concurrent but not
>>based.   Senthil Kumaran
>>and the posting MUA in that case was Mutt.
>>Also see
>>where the only two posts (spam) are both indented to level 1.
>>Does this occur only on twistedmatrix.com lists? There is clearly
>>something wrong with the archiving process on that site, but I can't
>>duplicate it in a stock 2.1.9 environment.
>Thanks for your detailed investigation, Mark.
>I may have misremembered how a previous posting of mine was
>(...postings were from a few years back, and it may have just been that
>my replies were shown at the top level instead of indented - I believe
>this may have been an old bug with Outlook specifically).
>I don't have any other examples from other mailing lists, so let's
>assume it's just the twistedmatrix.com list for now.
>I'll forward this thread to their mailing list administrator to
>Thanks again for your help.
>	Gerrat

I have (a little) more info about this now, Mark (another list that this

type of thing is happening on).

This was a posting on the twisted-python mailing list (on which I had
indentation issue):

>I was reminded of this thread when I came across what appears to be the

>same bug on the Tahoe list:
>  http://allmydata.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2009-July/thread.html
>Notice multiple posts in threads they don't look like they belong to,
>well as many threads which have nonsensical levels of indentation.
>I'm not sure if anyone ever answered your question about twisted- 
>python's mailman installation being "stock" or not.  If not, then I 
>think I can confirm that it is.  There is also no configuration that 
>would alter this behavior, as far as I know.  We've probably set a few 
>options via the admin interface, but I don't think any of those should 
>affect this behavior.

The twisted python mailing list is running on:
"unmodified mailman 1:2.1.9-9ubuntu1 install", and the 
Tahoe list is using: "2.1.9-4ubuntu1"

Could this be an ubuntu-specific issue?


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