[Mailman-Users] Spam filtering

Stephen J. Turnbull stephen at xemacs.org
Thu Feb 18 03:35:32 CET 2010

Rob MacGregor writes:

 > That would be a surprise to the SPF folks, and the steady progression
 > of folks who're implementing it ;)

Over the years a lot of things have been surprises to the SPF folks.
I'm sorry for the misinformation, but the SPF promoters have been
guilty of "excessive optimism" themselves.  As for folks who implement
these nostrums, they'll try anything.  (I don't think that's wrong,
stupid, or lazy.  I just don't see it as a signal that the
nostrum-du-jour is useful.)

 > SPF and DKIM solve 2 different parts of the problem of forged emails.
 > Neither provides complete coverage, together they work well.

Please explain.  AFAICR, neither works very well with mailing lists
because they're both designed on the assumption that the endpoints are
directly connected (in the sense that intermediaries like Mailman must
be pure relays and not add anything to header or payload).

You can say that Mailman lists with value-added should re-sign, but
that doesn't play very well because mailing lists are somewhat like
common carriers.  Making the Mailman list responsible for spam etc
(which is what re-signing does) is going to kill a lot of discussion

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