[melbourne-pug] web framework advice

[Mike Dewhirst]

Maurice Ling wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
>  From what I know, TurboGears uses CherryPy at the backend. It can be 
> seen as a site-builder using CherryPy. However, Being Python-based, 
> Karigell and TurboGears have a simplified way to link to SQLlite and Gadfly.
> 
> I've not really done any real web development before. Nevertheless, 
> looking at some other people's experiences, the database backend is 
> irrelevant to the web server or application server.
> 
> I am in full support of Firebird, you know that... :P
> 
> It may be possible to use mod_python in Apache to do that link. I 
> believe using any forms of data management backend has no relevance to 
> Apache. Can someone comment on this?

Thanks Maurice

You are right. The application software does the database work and 
Apache just serves the constructed page.

SQLite or Gadfly would probably do the trick initially. However I will 
need to think about slipping Firebird in there at some point.

I have just done a demo version of the app using the file system for 
persistence all the time thinking I would separate that out later but I 
now find it is impossible. I took too many yagni shortcuts telling 
myself it was a throwaway demo. But I had to add a lot of features I 
hadn't expected and now I'm reluctant to throw it all out.

What I'm saying is the production version has to be better thought 
through with a view to ongoing maintenance and if I can predict it needs 
Firebird for scalability, licensing and low support overhead then I 
should figure that in from the start.

Regards

mike
> 
> Cheers
> Maurice
> 
> Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I'm looking for a web framework. Does anyone have experience with any of 
>> the following ...
>>
>>     WebWare
>>     TurboGears
>>     Karigell
>>     Others I haven't looked at but you have
>>
>> The infrastructure I like is Linux, Apache, Kinterbasdb + Firebird. In 
>> case you are wondering, the licensing and very low ongoing admin effort 
>> for Firebird is behind that choice.
>>
>> At the moment I'm leaning towards WebWare but that is just because I 
>> have looked at it a little bit and it seems theoretically OK. It has an 
>> app server which sits behind Apache and replaces CGI for scalability 
>> reasons.
>>
>> Karigell works but uses its own web server and DBMS. Although I could 
>> put it behind Apache I'm not sure about the effort to slide Firebird 
>> underneath.
>>
>> I have heard that TurboGears is brilliant but I worry about "magic" (I 
>> read that as complex) glue between componentry supplied by different 
>> teams. Haven't looked at it really so I shouldn't be saying that.
>>
>> I would like to ask about ...
>>
>>     1. Development complexity (I know, mmmv)
>>     2. Scalability
>>     3. Security against black hats
>>
>> Thanks for any insights
>>
>> Mike
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