[python-committers] Transfer of power

[Antoine Pitrou]

Le 16/07/2018 à 20:05, Tim Peters a écrit :
> [Tim]
> 
>     > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been
>     > in those at times.  The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major
>     PEPs is
>     > just a small part of that.  Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty
>     common
>     > to see a "Save your breath.  That's not going to happen." from
>     Guido to
>     > end a distracting alternative (sub)proposal persistently promoted
>     by one
>     > (or a few) very active and/or loquacious posters.
> 
> [Antoine]
> 
>     I think that only happens on python-ideas.  We've long had a problem
>     with that mailing-list (but at least it allows to avoid such discussions
>     on python-dev).
> 
> I'm unclear on whether you view that as opposing or confirming my point
> ;-)  I view it as confirming:  yes, the BDFL has played this role mostly
> on python-ideas, where the dirty work of developing general PEPs is
> intended to take place, while they're still at best half-baked.  If
> someone only follows python-dev, they're unaware of most of these BDFL
> pronouncements.
> 
> The latter may think "oh, big deal - a PEP is posted to python-dev, and
> then Guido has weeks to make up his mind about whether to accept or
> reject it".  They're only seeing the end of a sometimes very messy
> process.  Most things on python-ideas never make it to python-dev at all.
> 
> PEP 572 was (IMO, and Guido's, and a whole bunch of others) posted to
> python-dev prematurely, so anyone who doesn't follow python-ideas should
> know that the firestorm on python-dev was just a hint of what
> python-ideas can be like routinely ;-) 

I know what python-ideas can be like routinely (I do read it at times).

I think the general idea of my comment is that the signal-to-noise ratio
on python-ideas is so low that, whether or not Guido had remained BDFL,
we would still have a productivity problem to solve there.

Regards

Antoine.