[python-committers] discuss.python.org participation

[Doug Hellmann]

Brett Cannon <brett at python.org> writes:

> One data point in all of this is Victor's PEP 8015. Here on the mailing
> list I seem to be the first and only person to reply since the PEP was
> posted on Monday. But over on Discourse there have been 3 people who have
> replied and there's already been some back-and-forth.
>
> So with a sample size of one, it looks like Discourse isn't discouraging
> anyone, otherwise I would have assumed people who don't want to start with
> Discourse would have simply started a discussion here on the mailing list
> about Victor's PEP.

I don't think it is safe to interpret the current level of engagement
there as a definitive endorsement of the tool.

I believed this discussion was *supposed* to be happening over there and
*not* on the mailing list (the initial messages about it were worded
very strongly). If others who want to have a say in the future
governance of the project had the same impression, then I would expect
them to sign up and use Discourse regardless of their opinion of the
tool.

I don't dislike Discourse, but I would have rather used the mailing list
for the governance discussion and used some other, less critical, topic
as a trigger for experimenting with a new tool. If the trouble with the
mailing lists is moderation, then some other list that requires more
moderation work would have been a good candidate.

>
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 20:24, Jack Diederich <jackdied at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm worried about the new format combined with governance discussions. As
>> best I can tell 51 CPython committers have signed up for an account [I
>> think that is a big number, btw] but only 17 have posted anything; That 17
>> is about 5 more people than put their name on a governance PEP. And maybe 5
>> people have half the total posts. This does not feel like a discussion at
>> all.
>>
>> I don't think it was deliberate, but it looks like the new format is
>> actively discouraging everyone but those most deeply invested with the most
>> free time from participating.
>>
>> -Jack
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