[Python-cuba] Going forwards

Fri Jun 26 02:40:40 CEST 2015

As far as I can tell from what has been posted, the rambling accusations of
Josephine Garcia are both ill-founded and malicious. I wholeheatedly
support Roberto, and am thankful he volunteered to chair this group.

I posted my silly diversion on Josephine Baker in Cuba just because I
really like Baker, and it haD more to do with outreach to Cuba than does a
smear by her namesake against our chair.

As a moderator of this group I am very tempted to unsubscribe someone who
wishes to use it solely for a personal attack that is unrelated to the
purpose of the working group.

Yours, David
Vice-Chair, Python Cuba WG
On Jun 25, 2015 3:41 PM, "Josephine Garcia" <aethraiam at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello "Roberto" with just two first lines you have managed to erase my
> identity, sweep my report under the rug, attacked me and threaten me with
> legal action. If that is not white male privilege, I don't know what is!
>
> Things that start bad end bad, I'm merely trying to make sure this group
> is successful but all you do is get defensive and aggressive, thus proving
> the points in my initial report. You could have silently left the group but
> choose to make an spectacle of things. For such an accomplished person you
> sure act in a very immature manner.
>
> You provided link that show how you shield youself using women and
> "helping" them, you didn't really provided evidence to that proved you
> don't harass women.
>
> Regarding the IGDA, an email was leaked that proved you were the reason
> for the chapter closure and that two game developers (one of them a women
> Ashley Alicea https://twitter.com/avashly) were run off the industry. Are
> you going to erase her identity too?
>
> The rest of your "reply" is just you crying about your feelings when
> someone hurts you with words.
>
> It is disappointing how all the beta men did a 180 when the alpha male
> spoke.
>
> I'm recruiting the help of others to help me fight this.
>
> -J
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Roberto Rosario <
> roberto.rosario.gonzalez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I rarely engage messages when the supporting evidence is ambiguous or
>> just plain false to avoid escalation. But after careful consideration of
>> this defamation emails against me, and a meeting with my lawyers, I decided
>> to answer this message sent by "Josephine Garcia" (and I use " " because
>> this name may be an alias or not and I have no knowledge of who might be
>> this person).
>>
>> It is unfortunate that in the initiative to make Python Cuba there are
>> people who are trying to divide more than unite. I find it interesting that
>> this person uses unfounded arguments to supposedly justify her accusations
>> against me. This person also uses group coercion to have me avoid exposing
>> my points of view on accusations about me: "silently left the group"
>> "having this person on board will send the wrong message, that we and the
>> PSF support his actions."
>>
>> 1) Allegation of harassment: I was being labeled a harasser by a tool
>> which equated twitter subscription to harassment. I criticized the logic of
>> the algorithm. Pretty much everybody agreed with my assertion, even The
>> Mary Sue, a feminist blog (
>> http://www.themarysue.com/twitter-users-mad-about-gamergate-block-bots/).
>> Even after all this, I extended an olive branch and publicly apologized for
>> my wording (https://twitter.com/siloraptor/status/536255070086893568),
>> the reaction to my apology left much to be desired and shows the extension
>> of the treatment to which I am subjected daily.
>>
>> 1a) In reaction to the shortcomings of IGDA’s tool, I started creating a
>> FOSS case management tool which could be used too to help document
>> harassment (http://blog.robertorosario.com/imperfect-tools/) (
>> https://github.com/Cleisthenes/cleisthenes). It didn't matter that my
>> original intent was helping social services, the attacks and harassment
>> I received for being a man proposing such a tools which technologically
>> undermined the previous one built by a woman forced to abandon the project.
>>
>> 2) "entire chapters of initiatives have been dissolved." Since it is not
>> mentioned which initiatives, I'm going to assume this is about the IGDA
>> Puerto Rico chapter. I was chairman of the chapter and neither myself nor
>> any member of the board has even publicized the reasons of the closure in
>> an official manner. It is very irresponsible to pass personal opinions as
>> fact.
>>
>> 3) Harassment of women: This can’t be more false as I actively promote
>> the inclusion of women in technology, giving money, making them t-shirts,
>> giving them my time and promoting them and their events. (
>> https://twitter.com/siloraptor/status/553604723144925184) (
>> http://ccom.uprrp.edu/actividades/Crypto-flyer.png) (
>> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/python-django-workshop-tickets-9132677083) (
>> http://ccom.uprrp.edu/actividades/practical.jpg)
>> (http://ccom.uprrp.edu/activity_info.php?aid=80) (
>> http://aldia.microjuris.com/2013/10/07/ciclo-de-conferencias-sobre-criptografia/)
>> (https://www.patreon.com/siloraptor?pat=1)
>>
>> I choose several members of the <include> Girls group for first
>> government technology internship at the Office Of Management and Budget
>> working on projects for the Governor of Puerto Rico and they have gone on
>> to do great things.
>>
>> 5) I canceled my participation in DjangoCon EU due to economic and health
>> issues. Daniele Procida can attest to this. My wife and myself are personal
>> friends of Daniele (
>> https://twitter.com/siloraptor/status/508491655297515521) (
>> https://twitter.com/siloraptor/status/506913013144625152) (
>> https://twitter.com/siloraptor/status/508092355673485312/photo/1) lying
>> about his supposed actions as organizer of DjangoCOn EU is an offense to
>> all.
>>
>> 6) Gamergate: The links you provide don't prove any of your assertions.
>>
>> 6a) RationalWiki: The archived talk page about the article shows my
>> representation on the article to be the work of an user by the name Ryulong
>> (http://archive.is/ACBf5#selection-795.49-803.27) whose edits have been
>> reverse time and again: "I have also removed a similarly misleading and
>> unsourced portion, "Rosario blamed feminism". I don't know where you're
>> getting your info, but this is the third misrepresentation I have removed
>> from this article.--Naqoyqatsi (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2015 (UTC)" This is the
>> same Ryulong, a wikipedian banned from Wikipedia, exactly for this (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryulong)
>>
>> 6b) Chris von Csefalvay’s graph only show I was one of the persons being
>> retweeted by people related to the gamergate movement.
>>
>> 6c) The Newsweek article doesn't say anything or prove anything about me
>> being a leader or even a member of gamergate.
>>
>> 7) In regards to Jefferson, I'm in shock, I do not understand how this
>> person dares to say he was the victim of harassment on my part. Jefferson
>> and I worked in various communities together until he moved from Puerto
>> Rico to pursue graduate studies. Since he left Puerto Rico I have not seen
>> him, but from what I've heard, he is doing well. I agree Jefferson would be
>> a good candidate to have onboard, I personally know him. My wife and myself
>> have helped him in the past to gain exposition to his projects at our
>> events: (http://www.slideshare.net/siloraptor/final-metapiano) (
>> http://www.piloto151.com/betabeers-san-juan-launches-in-piloto-151/) and
>> I'm too featured in his projects (https://vimeo.com/68919925)
>>
>> 8) Interestingly, Josephine García did not mention on her email that my
>> family was harassed, that someone published a photo that was private of me
>> with my son, a minor, and my wife, that someone published private
>> information about my family with said picture, that I have been called “cunt”,
>> “harasser”, “scum”, and so on without proof on a daily basis. The stress
>> from the witch hunts to which I am subjected and seeing my work tarnished
>> without proof have cause health problems not the least my last visit to the
>> emergency room with a cardiac event.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that when one wants to do things to encourage and
>> foster the community we allow individuals who manipulate information just
>> to create division and drama. In the initiative to make Python Cuba we
>> can’t take seriously, unfounded accusations from people who are trying to
>> divide more than unite. I hope this email leaves everything clear and we
>> can continue working in the same direction to make PyCon Cuba a reality.
>> That being said, I am willing to leave the group if I am not wanted here,
>> but I will not leave the group because of lies about me. I am willing to
>> leave the group so that the possibilities of a PyCon in Cuba are not
>> affected. I await your responses, be public or made in private via my
>> email. If contacted privately via email, I will not disclose your position
>> on the matter be it in favor or against my continued presence in this group.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> --Roberto
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:18 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> << SNIP >>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wrote this reply, however, simply to assure you that at least some
>>>> people do regard this as a potentially serious issue. Sorry of you feel
>>>> your claims were being taken too lightly. (and I have no idea what David
>>>> Mertz's message had to do with the discussion, but I imagine he will be
>>>> able to explain).
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>  Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Steve.  I could be wrong but I don't think any members of this WG
>>> are board members, I stand to be corrected.
>>>
>>> If I were super concerned about a specific member of a Python.org
>>> listserv, e.g. Diversity, I would probably find someone on the Board to
>>> complain to but I'm not sure which one.  I did some reading but it didn't
>>> seem Cuba-related and then the phone rang etc.
>>>
>>> Kirby
>>>
>>>
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