[Python-Dev] Stdlib Logging questions (PEP 337 SoC)

Phillip J. Eby pje at telecommunity.com
Tue Jun 6 03:40:35 CEST 2006

At 09:04 PM 6/5/2006 -0400, Jim Jewett wrote:
>On 6/4/06, Phillip J. Eby <pje at telecommunity.com> wrote:
> > can we please delay the import until it's actually needed?  i.e.,
> > until after some logging option is enabled?
>I have asked her to make this change.
>I don't like the extra conditional dance it causes, but I agree that
>not wanting to log is a valid use case.
>On the other hand, the one-time import cost is pretty low for a
>long-running process, and eventually gets paid if any other module
>calls logging.  Would it make more sense to offer a null package that
>can be installed earlier in the search path if you want to truly
>disable logging?

I notice you've completely avoided the question of whether this should be 
being done at all.  It sounds like Fredrik is -1 on this even for the 
modules that I'm not -1 on.

As far as I can tell, this PEP hasn't actually been discussed.  Please 
don't waste time changing modules for which there is no consensus that this 
*should* be done.

The original discussion that occurred prior to PEP 337's creation discussed 
only modules that *already* do some kind of logging.  There was no 
discussion of changing *all* debugging output to use the logging module, 
nor of adding logging to modules that do not even have any debugging output 
(e.g. pkgutil).

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