[Python-Dev] PEP 384 accepted
fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk
Thu Dec 2 22:54:54 CET 2010
On 02/12/2010 21:39, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> I was told not to touch to Distutils code to avoid any regression
>> since it's patched to the bones in third party products. So we decided
>> to freeze distutils and add all new features in Distutils2, which is
>> at alpha stage now. So this move seems contradictory to me.
> I think it was a bad decision to freeze distutils, and "we" certainly
> didn't make that (not any we that includes me, that is). This freeze
> made the situation worse.
What situation worse?
"We" certainly did ask Tarek to become bdfl of distutils and fix/improve
it (at a language summit 2 years ago). "We" then asked him to revert
distutils and do the work in a new package instead of inside distutils
(at the language summit this year).
I would perhaps argue for a case by case exception on PEPs that
*required* distutils support that are being accepted and implemented
prior to distutils2 moving into the standard library. It doesn't sound
like your changes are *required* by the PEP though.
As I recall Tarek thought it was a bad idea to freeze distutils as well,
but "we" insisted. :-)
> IIRC, it was really the incompatible changes that made people ask you to
> stop changing distutils.
Which included virtually any change to even private APIs. Given the
issues freezing the distutils APIs except for essential bugfixes is a
reasonable response. I don't know of any situation it has made worse.
Things are getting very much better, but happening in distutils2 not
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