[Python-Dev] PEP 3148 ready for pronouncement

[R. David Murray]

On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:09:37 -0400, Jesse Noller <jnoller at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:59 AM, R. David Murray <rdmurray at bitdance.com> wr=
> ote:
> > On Sat, 22 May 2010 19:12:05 +1000, Brian Quinlan <brian at sweetapp.com> wr=
> ote:
> >> On May 22, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Dj Gilcrease wrote:
> >> > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Brian Quinlan <brian at sweetapp.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Except that now isn't the time for that discussion. This PEP has
> >> >> discussed
> >> >> on-and-off for several months on both stdlib-sig and python-dev.
> >> >
> >> > I think any time till the PEP is accepted is a good time to discuss
> >> > changes to the API
> >>
> >> I disagree. If a PEP is being updated continuously then there is
> >> nothing stable to pronounce on.
> >
> > Well, you've been making updates as a result of this round of
> > discussion.
> >
> > If there is still discussion then perhaps the PEP isn't ready for
> > pronouncement yet. =A0At some point someone can decide it is all
> > bikeshedding and ask for pronouncement on that basis, but I don't
> > think it is appropriate to cut off discussion by saying "it's ready for
> > pronouncement" unless you want increase the chances of its getting
> > rejected.
> 
> I commiserate with Brian here - he's been very patient, and has been
> working on things, taking in input, etc for awhile now on this. In his
> mind, it is done (or at least incredibly close to done) and opening
> the door in the conversation for more API nit picking and debate about
> the exact verbiage on method names means we're never going to be done
> splashing paint.

OK, so you are saying that the comments in question are bikeshedding.
I can accept that easily.  What I was trying to point out was that saying
"discussion is closed" is not the best way to nurture community consensus.
Saying "we've reached the bikesheedding point, let's pronounce" is a very
different thing to my mind, even if it is only a matter of tone.

Have fun pronouncing ;)

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R. David Murray                                      www.bitdance.com