[Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Update Sphinx toolchain.

[Georg Brandl]

[If you want to continue this discussio, please move it from python-dev to
sphinx-users.  It is now completely offtopic for the former.]

Anyway, just as a short explanation, you missed the point of the change:
-M is not meant to be used directly but still via a (very short)
Makefile.  This isn't be a change meant to be visible to users.

Georg

Am 13.01.2014 20:56, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> That's cool, but historical heritage makes the make argument
> somewhat confusing for new users. The immediate question I
> can sense is "What is the difference between build and make?"
> 
> To make (this word again) the critics constructive, let me pass
> some ideas about ideal user experience as I see it.
> 
> --[installation]--
> 1   I install Sphinx. Two scenarios.
>    1.1   I am not a Python user - use installer
>       1.1.1   Installer should obviously install Python
>       1.1.2   And install sphinx command
>       1.1.3   And add sphinx to PATH
>    1.2   I am a Python user - use pip
>       1.2.1   pip should not alter my PATH (for virtualenv)
> 
> --[usage]--
> 2   Two scenarios
>    2.1   sphinx as a system command from PATH
>    2.2   "python -m sphinx" for current virtualenv / test config
> 
> --[user experience]--
> 3   These two invocations are equal
>> sphinx
>> python -m sphinx
> 
> 4. They give the following ouput
>>
> Sphinx 1.2 Documentation Generator
> 
> Commands:
> 
>    build           build documentation
>    init             start new project [also quickstart]
>    make          helper for common build commands
> 
> Use "sphinx -h command" or "sphinx command --help" for details
> 
> 
> I am not using sphinx ATM otherwise I'd spent more time to
> design ideal command set to get rid of build/make duality, but
> it should work ok.
> 
> Actually "sphinx" is a new command, so you may rethink the
> syntax for "build" arguments to contain "html" instead of dir names,
> and move dir names into parameters, because it is how it is most
> often used.
> 
> --
> anatoly t.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net> wrote:
>> That's also planned, see https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx-new-make-mode/.
>>
>> Georg
>>
>> Am 12.01.2014 09:49, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
>>> And cross-platform automation tools in Python instead of make
>>> https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/issue/456/makepy-command-script
>>> --
>>> anatoly t.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, INADA Naoki <songofacandy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What about using venv and pip instead of svn?
>>
>>
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