[Python-ideas] Adding iOS/Android support to Python

[Wes Turner]

As far as tagging multi-platform builds:

* wheel: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0427/#file-name-convention

   {distribution}-{version}(-{build tag})?-{python tag}-{abi tag}-{platform
tag}.whl.

* conda: http://conda.pydata.org/docs/build.html#preprocessing-selectors



On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com> wrote:

> >  It probably would not be any use for the sort of calculator I am
> thinking about.
>
> * "Hacker's Keyboard, a 5-row keyboard using full PC key layout for
> Android tablets or phones <https://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/>"
> https://code.google.com/p/hackerskeyboard/
> * IPython Notebook requires pyzmq and libzmq:
> http://zeromq.org/build:android
> * IPython qtconsole requires Qt:
> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/android-support.html
> * SPyder require PySide or PyQt: https://code.google.com/p/spyderlib/
> * http://continuum.io/blog/raspberry (
> http://repo.continuum.io/miniconda/Miniconda-3.5.5-Linux-armv6l.sh )
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Todd <toddrjen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2014 10:13 AM, "Russell Keith-Magee" <russell at keith-magee.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Todd <toddrjen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 25, 2014 4:22 AM, "Russell Keith-Magee" <
>> russell at keith-magee.com> wrote:
>> >> >  3) Disabling certain modules on mobile platforms. Supporting
>> modules like linuxaudiodev, ossaudiodev, readline, curses, idle and tkinter
>> on mobile platforms doesn't make much sense; modules likes bsddb and bz2
>> are difficult to support due to library dependencies; and the need for
>> modules like multiprocessing is arguable (and difficult to support on
>> mobile). Even providing a Python executable/shell is arguable for these
>> platforms.
>> >>
>> >> I would definitely be extremely interested in a python shell in
>> android.  One thing I feel are lacking on android are good advanced
>> mathematical tools and and python shell with appropriate libraries could
>> make a very powerful open-source tool for that.  There have been some
>> attempts at that already.
>> >
>> > Yes - and (to the best of my knowledge) none of them provide the
>> default Python shell. They're custom user interfaces, using native system
>> controls, that provide a shell-like UI. What I'm talking about here is the
>> literal "python.exe" build target - the one that is an executable that
>> starts and expects to attach to stdin/stdout. *That* executable isn't
>> practical on Android *or* iOS, because neither platform has the concept of
>> a "console" in the traditional Unix sense of the word.
>>
>> Perhaps no console by default, but it is possible to have a traditional
>> console on android.  I have one and many ROMs install one by default.  So
>> although it may not be part of the default configuration I think it would
>> be good to support it for the people who do have a console.
>>
>> Further, with rooted users, python could be set up to be used with the
>> built-in adb shell.
>>
>> It is unclear from the discussion where things ultimately came out on
>> this issue. If there still a possibility it might removed, although I
>> understand that consoles are not the primary use-case, I think is still a
>> valid use-case that should supported.
>>
>> >> I would also differentiate android and iOs more.  Android seems to be
>> betting on multi-core performance while iOs seems to be betting on
>> single-chore performance. So while multiprocessing may not make much sense
>> on iOs, I think it may be more sense on Android, especially if they move
>> from 4 to 8 cores.
>> >
>> > Firstly - I don't know what gave you the impression Apple devices
>> aren't multicore - every Apple processor since the A5 (introduced in the
>> iPhone 4S and iPad 2) has been at least dual core, and the A8X in the
>> newest iPads is triple core.
>>
>> I was referring to the benchmarks where corresponding iOs and android
>> devices generally have better single and multi-core performance,
>> respectively, but you right that isn't that important.
>>
>> > Secondly, if you're assuming "multicore" automatically means
>> "mathematical powerhouse", you're mistaken. If you're planning on doing
>> serious mathematical heavy lifting on a phone... well, you've already made
>> your first mistake :-)
>>
>> No, on the contrary, I was thinking that on devices with limited
>> performance, being able to divide components between processes, such as UI
>> and logic, is all the more important.  It probably would not be any use for
>> the sort of calculator I am thinking about.
>>
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