[Python-ideas] A GUI for beginners and experts alike

[Brett Cannon]

On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 18:18 Mike Barnett <mike_barnett at hotmail.com> wrote:

> It’s fascinating just how many packages are being dragged out for
> examination or clobbering other than the one that I asked for
> assistance/help on.
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> I see the code of conduct link in the thread.  Perhaps a review would be
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> Unsubscribing from this mess.  “Python Ideas” ?
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So I code of conduct review of this thread would suggest that your opening
email was inappropriate by being misleading thanks to sounding like you
were a neutral third-party to your library (luckily you admit to this
later, but it shouldn't have been done to begin with). The tone was okay,
but you state a lot of opinions as if they are fact, e.g. "GUI code is far
from compact", "you've got to be skilled to use it", etc. Those are all
opinions expressed as facts which can be misleading and potentially
insulting depending on who you're talking to (i.e. some of the people who
have worked very hard to make tkinter even work are on this mailing list).

Your initial email was also off-topic. This mailing list is about ideas to
changing Python, not announcements. Once again you later mention you wanted
to start a discussion about getting PySimpleGUI into the stdlib, but it
would have been nicer to mention that from the beginning as people would
have pointed you at
https://devguide.python.org/stdlibchanges/#adding-a-new-module and that
would have answered your question.

But as part of getting a module into the stdlib, alternatives will be
considered (especially GUI libraries as this topic is not a new one and
there are many options available, all with their own approaches). So if you
actual intent was to get PySimpleGUI into the stdlib some day then
discussing other libraries isn't off-topic at all as you will eventually
need to address why your library is better than others. Being upset that
people are doing their due diligence by bringing up alternatives as part of
your request about talking about eventually adding PySimpleGUI to the
stdlib is not a CoC violation at all and honestly your tone in your last
email is a much bigger concern and deserves the warning --which I am giving
-- more than how anyone else has behaved.

-Brett


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> *From:* Python-ideas <python-ideas-bounces+mike_barnett=
> hotmail.com at python.org> *On Behalf Of *Stephan Houben
> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 9:07 PM
> *To:* Chris Barker <chris.barker at noaa.gov>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Python-ideas] A GUI for beginners and experts alike
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> Op za 25 aug. 2018 02:28 schreef Chris Barker - NOAA Federal via
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> Too bad all the cool kids are doing web dev these days — hard to get
> help with a desktop GUI project :-(
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> Pywebview seems interesting, uses a platform  webview to put up the UI;
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> https://github.com/r0x0r/pywebview
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> But not so newbie-friendly I am afraid...
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> > Pyjamas seems to be something like that:
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> Or it was 6 years ago :-(
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> -CHB
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