[Python-ideas] "slur" vs "insult"?
solipsis at pitrou.net
Fri Sep 21 10:44:11 EDT 2018
For the record I was surprised to see the word "slur" pop up
quite often recently, while I'd only heard "insult" before. I
looked it up and it doesn't help that the French translation seems to
be the same in both cases (it's "insulte").
Then I came upon this thread where someone pretty much asks the same
and the comments there are interesting as to how complicated and
difficult to grasp the cultural landscape of linguistic taboos really
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 15:55:10 +0200
"Philipp A." <flying-sheep at web.de> wrote:
> The main clause differentiating bad, weaponizable CoCs from good ones is
> "Assume good faith"
> Everything will be OK if good faith can reasonably be assumed (E.g. when
> someone uses a word which is only offensive based on context)
> On the other hand, e.g. obvious racial slurs never have a place on a
> discussion board about a programming language. How can one possibly say
> them in good faith?
> Rhodri James <rhodri at kynesim.co.uk> schrieb am Fr., 21. Sep. 2018 um
> 15:46 Uhr:
> > On 20/09/18 19:56, Brett Cannon wrote:
> > > Based on the WG's recommendation and after discussing it with Titus, the
> > > decision has been made to ban Jacco from python-ideas. Trivializing
> > > assault, using the n-word, and making inappropriate comments about
> > > someone's mental stability are all uncalled for and entirely unnecessary
> > to
> > > carry on a reasonable discourse of conversation that remains welcoming to
> > > others.
> > Not a challenge to the ban in any way, but I feel the need to repeat
> > what I said about banning words. The moment you create that taboo, you
> > give the word power. That's the exact opposite of what you want to do.
> > It's the intent with which the word is used that matters. I've heard
> > all sorts of words used as insults -- "special", anyone? -- and many of
> > the same words used innocently or affectionately.
> > Banning bad or insulting behaviour is fine. Banning words is a bad path
> > to go down.
> > --
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