[Python-ideas] Why is design-by-contracts not widely adopted?

Lee Braiden leebraid at gmail.com
Tue Sep 25 16:09:45 EDT 2018

Eh. It's too easy to cry "show me the facts" in any argument.  To do that
too often is to reduce all discussion to pendantry.

That verifying data against the contract a function makes code more
reliable should be self evident to anyone with even the most rudimentary
understanding of a function call, let alone a library or large
application.  It's the reason why type checking exists, and why bounds
checking exists, and why unit checking exists too.

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018, 20:43 Chris Angelico, <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:19 AM Marko Ristin-Kaufmann
> <marko.ristin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Claiming that DbC annotations will improve the documentation of every
> >> single library on PyPI is an extraordinary claim, and such claims
> >> require extraordinary proof.
> >
> >
> > I don't know what you mean by "extraordinary" claim and "extraordinary"
> proof, respectively. I tried to show that DbC is a great tool and far
> superior to any other tools currently used to document contracts in a
> library, please see my message
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/python-ideas/dmXz_7LH4GI/5A9jbpQ8CAAJ.
> Let me re-use the enumeration I used in the message and give you a short
> summary.
> >
> An ordinary claim is like "DbC can be used to improve code and/or
> documentation", and requires about as much evidence as you can stuff
> into a single email. Simple claim, low burden of proof.
> An extraordinary claim is like "DbC can improve *every single project*
> on PyPI". That requires a TON of proof. Obviously we won't quibble if
> you can only demonstrate that 99.95% of them can be improved, but you
> have to at least show that the bulk of them can.
> > There are 150K projects on pypi.org. Each one of them would benefit if
> annotated with the contracts.
> This is the extraordinary claim. To justify it, you have to show that
> virtually ANY project would benefit from contracts. So far, I haven't
> seen any such proof.
> ChrisA
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