[Python-ideas] Clearer communication

[Abe Dillon]

[Dan Sommers]

> A mailing list is not a feed... Dan, a decades and decades long fan of
> mailing lists and real email clients.


I'm only familiar with Gmail which keeps reply chains coherent and moves
each chain to the top of my "forums" tab based on who responded last.
I haven't explored the various email clients available, can you suggest one?

[Dan Sommers]

> Whoever posted last ends up at the bottom of the thread, so that I can
> read threads from top to bottom in chronological order.  Getting the
> last word in shouldn't earn a spot at the top of the list.


That doesn't like any closer an approximation to a merit-based solution to
me.

[Dan Sommers]

> > 3) There are well moderated and/or cultivated subs like
> > www.reddit.com/r/science where the votes end up being a good
> approximation
> > to merit.
> Because the moderators understand the merit(s) of who is behind every +1
> vote, or because only approved voters are allowed to vote?


Part of it has to do with the subject matter.
the python subreddit <https://www.reddit.com/r/python> also has, I would
say, higher quality than average discussion
just like the PBS Space Time YouTube channel
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKzgpt4HBU> is one of the few places on
YouTube
where the comments don't generally make you abandon hope for the future of
humanity.

A lot of it has to do with rules put in place and enforced by the
moderators.
They cultivate a higher quality community by promoting a higher standard of
interaction.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 1:34 PM Dan Sommers <
2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE at potatochowder.com> wrote:

> On 2/1/19 1:01 PM, Abe Dillon wrote:
>  > [Steven D'Aprano]
>  >
>  >> This isn't Facebook or Reddit, where +1 Likes cause messages to move
>  >> to the top of your feed. (And thank goodness for that.) This is a
>  >> technical mailing list where the worth of a proposals usually depends
>  >> on merit, not the number of votes.
>  >
>  > Since I just (almost simultaneously with this post) suggested giving
>  > Reddit a try, I feel obligated to defend it a little bit.
>
> [...]
>
>  > 2) You can control, to some degree, what gets to the top of your
>  > feed. In an email list, it's based on who posted last which seems
>  > hardly an improvement.
>
> A mailing list is not a feed.
>
> Whoever posted last ends up at the bottom of the thread, so that I can
> read threads from top to bottom in chronological order.  Getting the
> last word in shouldn't earn a spot at the top of the list.
>
> In my email client, I do, in fact, have complete control over what gets
> to the [logical] "top of the list"; in a web-based forum, I have only
> what the forum allows.
>
>  > 3) There are well moderated and/or cultivated subs like
>  > www.reddit.com/r/science where the votes end up being a good
> approximation
>  > to merit.
>
> Because the moderators understand the merit(s) of who is behind every +1
> vote, or because only approved voters are allowed to vote?
>
> Dan, a decades and decades long fan of mailing lists and real email clients
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