WxPython versus Tkinter.

[Littlefield, Tyler]

 >Because of this, many blind people try to show that they are like the 
sighted, that they can do everything, that they are >independent, so 
they like to
 >talk about the movies they watch, they like to have touch-pad mobile 
phones and so on, even though the accessibility of >those gadgets is 
really low.
While I am getting off topic here, I just had to comment...
Yes, I do talk about "watching" tv. Not having working eyeballs doesn't 
limit me from using a word that people with common sense can just equate 
to listening to tv. And neither does not having working eyeballs limit 
me from -listening- to tv, which is what I and other blind people that 
want to "watch" tv do. And guess what? I can use a phone with a touch 
screen. It's called an IPhone, and it's got a screen reader built in. 
Nifty, huh? It just helps me in my goal to be just like sighted people, 
blame Apple for making a touch screen accessible.

I say this all because I want to make a point. I don't expect the world 
to revolve around what is and isn't accessible. While laws do exist, if 
I ran around quoting the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) at 
everyone who didn't make things accessible (whether on the computer, at 
school, at a store), I'd just be wasting time. Rather I like to blend 
in, be independant and adapt things. Now, since i am a programmer this 
means that I am able to do a lot more in the form of adaptation on the 
computer, and this is my goal; if something is broke, fix the root or 
work with the developer. Don't just whine about it not being accessible. 
It will get you nowhere, and it's people like Octavian I dread having 
had people meat before because by golly, -everything- better be accessible.

So, call me a Nazi or whatever, that's just how I feel. The world 
doesn't come on a silver platter, and so if Octavian, or I, or anyone 
else wants any sort of changes done (as in the changes to TkInter), work 
needs to go into helping these changes come about. Making a library part 
of the STDLib and then worrying about the fact that it segfaults later 
is foolish, especially if you are going to do it just for accessibility. 
And regardless of whether RR gets his deepest wish and it is made part 
of the STDLib, people will still use TKInter. What then, for those with 
readers? Should we just abolish TKInter altogether?
On 1/24/2011 1:45 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "rantingrick"<rantingrick at gmail.com>
>> Obviously it
>> would be awesome, but I think Octavian is just focusing on himself, and
>> not the actual big picture here.
> <sarcasum>  Yes Octavian is the only disabled person in the world. What
> a selfish, selfish person he is. Shame on you Octavian, Shame on You!
> </sarcasum>
>
> You just showed your true colors Tyler, very sad. :(
>
>
> I understand Tyler because I know some blind people.
> It is very frustrating to be able to think better than many other sighted people and to be able to do very many complex things, but to not be able to do very basic things while they can do them very easy.
> Because of this, many blind people try to show that they are like the sighted, that they can do everything, that they are independent, so they like to talk about the movies they watch, they like to have touch-pad mobile phones and so on, even though the accessibility of those gadgets is really low.
>
> I don't speak from the perspective of a programmer because a programmer, even a blind one, can create the program he wants, to be accessible of course, but I speak from the perspective of the users because they are not programmers, they can't do anything to improve the accessibility of the programs that other people can use very easy.
>
> And what's worst is that most of those inaccessible programs are not that way because the programmer that created them consciously chosen the GUI lib because of who know what specific reasons, competitive or of other kind. Most of the time the programmer uses the GUI lib that she/he knows better and think that would be easier to create the program with. Most of them don't even know about accessibility, there are very many programmers in some countries that don't even imagine that some people can use a computer with a screen reader.
> Octavian
>


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Thanks,
Ty