An object is an instance (or not)?

[Mario Figueiredo]

In article <mailman.18196.1422406856.18130.python-list at python.org>, 
ben+python at benfinney.id.au says...
> 
> Mario Figueiredo <marfig at gmail.com> writes:
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> > It is true that a class object is an instance of 'type'. But this is a
> > special type (can't avoid the pun).
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> Nevertheless it is a class, and can do everything that classes do.
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> And every class is an object, and can do everything that objects do.
> 
> You seem to agree with those, so please stop claiming that classes are
> not objects. Python classes are always objects, and always have been.
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> > A class object is not an instance of the type it implements.
> 
> You keep introducing hurdles that are irrelevant. Yes, a class is not an
> instance of itself. That doesn't impact the fact a class is an object.
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> > That is what I mean by an object that isn't an instance.
> 
> That's incoherent. It's an instance of a class, and simultaneously is
> not an instance?
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> > In other words, the object know as "Sub class" is not an instance 
> > object. True, it is an instance of the object 'type'.
> 
> You've tied yourself in knots with concepts that are not coherent, and
> even if they were do not appear to be relevant to Python.

Very well. I'm failing at putting my point across. I will not discuss 
this further.