[PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 6
Duane Blanchard
dblanchard at gmail.com
Sat Jan 7 01:27:53 CET 2006
Hi, I've been lurking on the list and playing a little with PythonCE.
Very cool stuff here. Thanks to all the developers, many thanks. I'm
not a very talented coder, yet, but am willing to do the footwork of
getting an SF page for the project. It seems to me that everyone would
want this. Are there any objections before I go ahead and do it?
Thanks,
Duane
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> 1. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Stewart Midwinter)
> 2. oops.. (Rodrigo Contreras K?brich)
> 3. PythonCE 1.5.2 for XScale? (Peter Dembinski)
> 4. Tkinter in pythonce... (Rodrigo Contreras K?brich)
> 5. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
> 6. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Tim Lesher)
> 7. Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE? (Jeffrey Barish)
> 8. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
> 9. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
> 10. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
> 11. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Tim Lesher)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:37:27 -0700
> From: Stewart Midwinter <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: Luke Dunstan <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
> <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 1/6/06, Luke Dunstan <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It's not obvious to me how to edit the MurkWorks wiki but hopefully editing
> > is just disabled temporarily.
>
> I see on the 'contributors' page on the Murkworks site the following comment:
> "Please ask Brad for setting your username and password if you want
> participate."
>
> So it seems that there is a manual process for getting approved to
> edit that wiki. If Brad is around, perhaps he'd like to comment on
> whether he would like to see more use made of the wiki.
>
> s
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:32:16 -0300
> From: Rodrigo Contreras K?brich <rc at simov.cl>
> Subject: [PythonCE] oops..
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BEA9A0.5050105 at simov.cl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> I apologize to the developers. I've just found the CAB file.
> But I will keep my ideas about the lack of human-friendlyness of the
> project.
>
> One of the important things about a future homepage is that we all users
> of pythonce will be able to post samples and code in order to make the
> thing more and more popular.
> As soon as I get it to work on my iPAQ I will start to post my advances
> on my page. The pythonce.org space will be the best place to do it, of
> course.
>
> Bye, again.
>
> rc.
>
> PS: Hey, this is not spam, ok?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:21:12 +0100
> From: "Peter Dembinski" <pdemb at gazeta.pl>
> Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE 1.5.2 for XScale?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <op.s2y1dmz1p2c5o9 at hector.domek>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii
>
> I know CPython 1.5.2 is deprecated, but does anyone have a PythonCE
> version 1.5.2 compiled for XScale processors?
>
> --
> http://www.peter.dembinski.prv.pl
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:28:51 -0300
> From: Rodrigo Contreras K?brich <rc at simov.cl>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BEC4F3.5000905 at simov.cl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi.
>
> I installed the CAB file in my PDA.
> The first thing I wanted to test was the GUI capabilities, so I tried to
> run the following code (which compiles nicely in the PC version):
>
> from Tkinter import *
>
> root = Tk()
>
> myContainer1 = Frame(root) ### (1)
> myContainer1.pack() ### (2)
>
> root.mainloop()
>
> But pythonce raises an error code: No module named Tkinter.
>
> I noticed that there is a file named '_tkinter.pyd' at the DLLs folder.
> What should I do?
>
> Bye.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:36:34 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE8072.30544.10033B23 at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 9:59, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
> > tienes raz?n Rodrigo!
> >
> > The SF project doesn't have a home page. Perhaps one of the current
> > developers, bkc, kashtan, pfalcon can make it happen or delegate the
> > job to one of us (I can help). Do we get a space on SF to create the
> > home page, or do we have to host it elsewhere? If so, I note that the
> > domain pythonce.org is available!
>
> SF provides hosting space for the web page, or we can just put the home page
> somewhere else.
>
> I've never setup web pages on SF before. I wonder if they have webdav support
> or something.
>
> It's been ages since I've done a static page.. heh.
>
> I'm happy for volunteers.. What content do we need?
>
> There's some old how-to's on the murkworks research wiki, it's out of date
>
> http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PythonCE/PythonCEWiki/FrontPage
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements, bkc at murkworks.com (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:30:27 -0500
> From: Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
> <9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I think one of the issues that really hurts PythonCE is the fact that
> it's not part of the mainline, so its availability and status is
> always questionable.
>
> A few weeks ago on the core python-dev mailing list, Guido weighed in on this:
>
> "My reason for wanting people to contribute ports back is that if they
> don't, the port is more likely to stick on some ancient version of
> Python (e.g. I believe Nokia is still at 2.2.2). Then, assuming the
> port remains popular, its users are going to pressure developers of
> general Python packages to provide support for old versions of Python.
>
> While I agree that maintaining port-specific code is a pain whenever
> Python is upgraded, I still think that accepting patches for
> odd-platform ports is the better alternative. Even if the patches
> deteriorate as Python evolves, they should still (in principle) make a
> re-port easier."
>
> Just my opinion, but I don't think PythonCE will get much traction
> unless and until someone decides to clean up the build and contribute
> it back to the core.
> --
> Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:38:23 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Barish <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <200601061238.23693.jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thank you for the additional information. The description of
> PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe in the release notes says that the program
> registers the .cab file and allows easy installation, but doesn't mention
> that it includes the binary. Maybe that's obvious to people who know Windows
> CE better than I do.
>
> I have managed to install PythonCE-2.3.5. There is an icon and tapping it
> runs python 2.3.5. I can import wx and Pyro. However, when I tap on one of
> my programs (using file explorer), I now get the message:
>
> The file 'xxx' cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted
> certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. You might need to
> reinstall or restore this file.
>
> Did I do something wrong in the installation?
> --
> Jeffrey Barish
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:38:59 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE8103.15713.10057275 at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:09, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
> > Either would be fine by me. The wiki at murkworks is already set up
> > and specific to this project, so easier to start with. I note however
> > that the last entry there was 3 years ago. Brad Clements, the wiki
> > admin, is one of the pythonce developers though, so Brad can you tell
> > us if the location is still considered 'temporary' or whether we could
> > make use of it for some time?
>
> The wiki is not intended to be temporary. It's an old version of zwiki, should
> probably be updated and I need to do something about self-provisioning
> accounts. I think it's closed to editing due to spam.
>
> >
> > Luke, is it possible to create a home page on SF that does nothing
> > more than redirect to another location? Must be, since I see other
> > projects doing something similar. I'll be happy to sign up and make
> > it happen, if it will help.
>
> I can make a redirect page easily enough. But having a wiki for the home page
> sufficient?
>
> Should I setup a Trac site instead?
>
> What about spam control?
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements, bkc at murkworks.com (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:40:52 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE8174.10659.10072BFC at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:37, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
> > I see on the 'contributors' page on the Murkworks site the following
> > comment: "Please ask Brad for setting your username and password if
> > you want participate."
> >
> > So it seems that there is a manual process for getting approved to
> > edit that wiki. If Brad is around, perhaps he'd like to comment on
> > whether he would like to see more use made of the wiki.
>
> yes I would
>
> I think I turned off anonymous commenting and editing due to spam overload.
>
> Telion has disappeared, he was maintaining the wiki contents.
>
> It's an old zwiki.. Should I move to Trac or something else instead?
>
> I can continue to host it.
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements, bkc at murkworks.com (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:51:31 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE83F3.13878.1010ECEF at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:30, Tim Lesher wrote:
>
> > Just my opinion, but I don't think PythonCE will get much traction
> > unless and until someone decides to clean up the build and contribute
> > it back to the core. -- Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
>
>
> For sure,
>
> and a few years back I started down that road.
>
> Older versions of Windows CE have big incompatibability issues.
>
> I tried, for example, to cleanup NaN handling in various places, getpath.c
> implementation and so on.
>
> My cleanup was done via C macros that would be "compiled out" on standard
> platforms.
>
> I sent a few trial balloons up to the python-dev list, but my approach was not
> generally liked.
>
> I had spent hours editing code to stick these damn macros in, and while it
> worked, it apparently wasn't an acceptable solution.
>
>
> Unfortunately I can't remember now exactly what the story was.. anyway, for as
> much as I've tried to get my clients interested in Python on CE, I've never had any
> interest from any of them. So my Python CE support has been low.
>
> Combine that with the difficult problem of integrating the CE port back into the
> mainline code and .. I have just let the project slip by.
>
> Anyway.. it would be great to get our changes back into the mainline code, but I
> don't think it's a simple problem to solve.. :-(
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements, bkc at murkworks.com (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:02 -0500
> From: Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: Brad Clements <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Cc: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
> <9613db600601061310l13f5ed9cn75ee2d9c37ccd584 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 1/6/06, Brad Clements <bkc at murkworks.com> wrote:
> > Older versions of Windows CE have big incompatibability issues.
>
> New ones, too. :-) Especially on non-PocketPC devices.
>
> > Anyway.. it would be great to get our changes back into the mainline code, but I
> > don't think it's a simple problem to solve.. :-(
>
> Believe me, I understand--crossplatform development isn't easy, and
> Windows CE is specifically warped enough to make it worse.
>
> Just so we're perfectly clear, I certainly don't mean to discount the
> work you've done to date on the port--many thanks for that.
> --
> Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
>
>
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